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[Richard Jenkins]

Muzza, thanks.
To clear a few things up
1) I do not have "twiddly bits" like umlauts or diacritics etc. on my computer so... :
2) He was listed as Japanese as no-one was sure whether he was Japanese but born in Brazil - indeed it wasn't certain he WAS born in Brazil - but I think you have cleared that up
3) Constantino Junior is under J as he raced as "Constantino Jr." - I'm not entirely sure where he would go if I changed him - C, O? Generally, if possible, I list them as they raced & then put a little aside, like I've done already with him.

[Muzza]

Hello, Richie,

It is my pleasure to help - I really enjoy your site (better call them sites - the addition of F-3000 to WATN was quite cool).

I am glad that you did not find pedantic my comments on diacritics - I was just trying to get the names as accurate as possible. And, as you, I also have problems to type/display a few of them, like the c-with-acute-diacritic of Czech, Slovak and Serbian languages (still could not find a way to have Access displaying it : ).

I am not absolutely sure that Norio Matsubara was born in Cambará, but it is highly possible. His whole family is from that town - they even own a local professional soccer team that bears the clan's name! (Matsubara occasionally breaks into State of Paraná first division)

About Constantino Jr., I suggest (of course it is your decision) to list him under C - that's how he was known. And Constantino is "more of a name" than Júnior, that is merely a suffix.

Cheers,


Muzza

[Richard Jenkins]

Actually, Muzza that's a interesting point you make about the diacritics - even if I could do one or two, I wouldn't be able to do others, so better to say (and it's true ) I can't do any, so at least people know where I'm coming from, rather than start Leclere should have a squiggly!

Well, I'm happy enough with that information about Matsubara. One thing I have noticed about Brazillian drivers is they tend to stray too far from home, when they're at home, unlike the Americans or British who are born in one place, grow up in another & live in another for a long time (Oops - that's me in that category ), so I'll go with that unless I hear otherwise.

Constantino - yep, I think I will put him under C but if I get complaints ;) I'll know who to blame!


and I think you'll enjoy the Indy 500 WATN even more than F3000 when it's up in 2004, as I've found a far bit out on some of those ??'s you have - but you'll have to wait, I'm afraid

Cheers for all of the info

[Mischa Bijenhof]

The spectacularly unsuccesfull Jean-Pierre Frey drove a Lancia LC2 Dallara with Nicola Marozzo in the 1988 1000 kms at Silverstone, once again for Dollop racing (some people never learn) and recorded a DNF after a spin. Well, at least he qualified for that one...

[ensign14]

Originally posted by Mischa Bijenhof
Well, at least he qualified for that one...

Maybe his co-driver did...

He had a couple of Indycar races, then sued Euromotorsport because of it. The 2 fell out, Frey alleged that Antonio Ferrari of Euromotorsport nicked $1.25m from JPF's account and sued, and also sued his bank for allowing it to happen. Never saw what happened to the Frey v Ferrari case, but the bank case was thrown out - he sued in 1996 over a fraud from 1990-2 and so was too late under Indiana law. However the wording of the case suggests that Ferrari was defrauding the hapless and hopeless Dollop merchant, and if Frey was suing the bank I bet he could get nothing from Ferrari.

Somehow it seems typical that Frey was too slow for a lawsuit as well as everything else.

There was a rumour on Racing History that Frey was imprisoned for fraud himself - something about renting out properties he did not actually own. If anyone can confirm this...

[Richard Jenkins]

Posted earlier by myself but with those solved now deleted:

Missing a FULL birthplace
Rui Aguas (Mozambique)
Sam Hancock (Surrey)
Elton Julian (Canary Isles, Spain - new info)
James Taylor (Malta)

Missing birthplace
Antonioli, Bellefroid, Bertuzzi, Bren, Dallest, de Tomaso, Debenedetti, Dudler, Filhol, Knycz, Morand, Nardozi, Olsson, Pedersoli, Romano, Santin, Tacchino, Tesini, Voulaz, Waltner

missing birthdate
Bren, Filhol, Nardozzi, Waltner



Well, it's getting there, slowly. The latest updates are up on the main update thread but I'd thought I'd just reissue the missing ones in case anyone else has information - however

Corradi – b. Bressanone
Kane b. Sydney
Melgrati – b. Monza

are all new additions
& Matsubara's birthplace (but not date) was solved by Muzza a while back - a reasonable list left now...


Also to say, that all F1 drivers who raced in F3000 will be added to the F3000 tables in the future. Apparently, the amount of people asking about so & so in a certain list is reaching a level that makes it necessary to probably change it. I should envisage this to be the next update, which will probably be in three weeks time, if I get the time between now & then.

[ensign14]

On the subject of the obscurissimo Mario Waltner...could this be him?  Would explain a) his obscurity and b) how he could pay for a ride...

[Richard Jenkins]

On the subject of the obscurissimo Mario Waltner...could this be him? Would explain a) his obscurity and b) how he could pay for a ride...

Ens,
I have always strongly believed they are one and the same. However Simon Arron- who knows more than anyone with F3000 - isn't sure. Although Simon, IIRC, was delighted with the idea that Waltner was a crook, the F3000 Waltner was covered head to toe in tattoos. The crime Waltner - by what limited photos there are of him - isn't. But he remains the strongest candidate.

[ReWind]

There are photos of the bank robber [who, BTW, was born on 06 October 1974 at Altenmarkt an der Triesting]:

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If you could show them to Derek Mower maybe he would be able to tell whether that man was his driver in 1997 or not.

[Richard Jenkins]

Reinhard, that's what I'm referring to re. the photos - he hasn't got a visible tattoo on his head as Simon mentioned.

 

Anyway, the bank robber Mario Waltner's story gets more intriguing in 2008 - http://www.diariodei...ado/294194.html - he is referred to as Italian with the name Mario Medici Agnelli(oh the irony if he was of THE Agnelli clan) which makes you think, "no, not the man".

But then one of the crimes, albeit acquitted for, is that he was involved in stealing cars from a racetrack in Valencia. Coincidence? Who knows?

 

If he's Austrian-Italian, Austrian born but of the Agnelli family, it may explain a pseudonym and how he used family links to get to F3000... but if he WAS of the Agnelli family, you'd think the media there would be all over this story.

 

II'm not convinced enough that it is the one and the same man yet.

[ensign14]

Having recently had some dealings with an Austrian fraudster claiming to be a Hohenzollern, I'm guessing the Agnelli bit is more likely to be pseudonymous...

[scheivlak]

Anyway, the bank robber Mario Waltner's story gets more intriguing in 2008 - http://www.diariodei...ado/294194.html - he is referred to as Italian with the name Mario Medici Agnelli(oh the irony if he was of THE Agnelli clan) 

 

Not to mention the Medici clan 

[D.M.N.]

Thought you guys would appreciate this: http://www.motorspor...0-crash-665536/

 

Phil Andrews tells the story of Giovanna Amati smashing into her during testing at Oulton Park.