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#51 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 12:07

So let's place this photo below it:

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#52 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 12:40

There's a picture of the Macarthur Elan on P376 of John Medley's Bathurst book, this is from the '68 Easter Bathurst, so about six months after the 12-hour in question...

It shows the car to be lighter in colour and to have less apparent contrast in tone between the body colour and the front bumper. Moreover, the number roundel on the bonnet is in the centre, unlike the Gates car's offset to the right, these positionings are consistent in other pictures of these cars.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 04:07

I'd just about take money that the Elan in the pic is Gates, eldouglas...

The colour is simply too dark for the Macarthur car, while I don't think Doug was that quick a runner either. I added the RCN info to back me up.

What we need is a photo showing race numbers.


Hi Ray,
Your memory still is intact, below is a pic of the McArthur Elan - Surfers 12 Hour 1967 form my files.

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#54 ellrosso

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:18

Few more shots of '67 12 hour - all shots are oldracephotos/Stuart Phillips

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#55 David McKinney

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:26

And they used to complain about speed differentials at Le Mans :lol:

#56 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:29

Originally posted by ellrosso
Few more shots of '67 12 hour - all shots are oldracephotos/Stuart Phillips

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That's obviously the Macarthur car (with Doug driving, he had glasses), and quite definitely it shows it to be different to the car in the original picture... those driving lights that are covered up at the front would be visible if they were there on the Gates car.

Ann Thompson, I think, drove in the first 12-hour with Glynn Scott in an E-type. I can't find any mention of her in the later renditions of the race.

The starting line-up pic clearly shows why the Macarthur car isn't visible in the SCW photo.

#57 ellrosso

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:00

Yes dead right Ray, Ann didn't race her Elan in any of the Surfers enduros. Old caption on that shot - I'll be correcting that on the website.

#58 Team Result

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 13:17

Phew, once again TNF sets the record staright! I also appreciate the comments about owners who raced at their own tracks. Though I phrased it poorly, I actually meant to enquire about others who, like Keith Williams, built a track then decided to try their hand at racing, rather than the other way round. That would reduce the numbers somewhat, I believe.

By the way, as Lee included speedway racers/promoters, I should add speedcar driver Bill Goode's name as he later became promoter at Brisbane Exhibition Grounds, IIRC.

To end, as I first posted on this subject, on a (falsetto) musical note, he was also the promoter of a concert where the Gibb brothers first performed as a band whose name was derived from his and the two other BG-initialled men I mentioned in my first post, so there!

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#59 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:34

I'm not sure where Keith Williams stood prior to building the Surfers Paradise circuit...

From a comment Sid Sakzewski once made I inferred that Keith was around motor racing way back even before Lakeside. I don't know if he competed or he was simply just there. Perhaps in a committee role?

He certainly had enthusiasm, as his plan was to build a motor sport complex in or near each capital city.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:02

A photo I took in 1967 at the track but not at the 12hr.

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#61 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:44

Originally posted by wolseley680
A photo I took in 1967 at the track but not at the 12hr.

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Good one...

I guess you'll have more pics to post as time goes on?

Edited by Ray Bell, 11 September 2012 - 09:45.


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Posted 11 September 2012 - 11:34

Good one...

I guess you'll have more pics to post as time goes on?

Yes Ray but I will need to understand Imageshack better so i can publish the photo, as you did, rather than a link


#63 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 11:43

Simple...

When you've uploaded the pic you click on 'Hotlink for forums (1)' and not 'direct link' or whatever it was you did.

Are you going to post in the 'Introductions' thread?

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 12:13

Simple...

When you've uploaded the pic you click on 'Hotlink for forums (1)' and not 'direct link' or whatever it was you did.

Are you going to post in the 'Introductions' thread?

Probably, I haven't looked at that part of the forum yet.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 22:02

Eldougo, thanks for answering my question.

The OP and your 12-hour pix reminded me that Keith Williams raced a HK? Monaro a couple of times including the 1968 12-hour. IIRC.

I wonder if any other racetrack owners/promoters have actually competed at their own track?


John Tetley keeps a some collection of cars at Queensland Raceway and semi-regularly tkaes one out for a run, as do some members of QR staff, mostly in Formula Fords, although one of the weider cars I've seen John drive is a Mazda Rotary powered PRS.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:25

Tasman Series 1968 Surfers Paradise, Brabham Repco V8 - Greg Cusack - Scuderia Veloce

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:33

Dummy Grid Surfers Tasman series 1968. Graham Hill & Jim Clark's Gold Leaf Team Lotus #5 & 6, BRM #11 Pedro Rodriguez, McLaren FVA #18 - Piers Courage.

1968 Tasman Surfers Paradise

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#68 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:33

Mr SOHC Wolseley man, you are simply going to have to let us see more of your slides from Tasman events...

These would be great for our Tasman book. Please send me an e.mail... address in my signature.

Oh, yeah, I don't see my good friend Gregory there... edit... now I do, or at least his Scuderia Veloce Brabham.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 08:57

Also in dummy grid photo Amon Ferrari and Atwood BRM,maybe Mr Clark is having a "Jimmy riddle" before going out.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 08:57

Also in dummy grid photo Amon Ferrari and Atwood BRM,maybe Mr Clark is having a "Jimmy riddle" before going out.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 08:57

Also in dummy grid photo Amon Ferrari and Atwood BRM,maybe Mr Clark is having a "Jimmy riddle" before going out.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 08:57

Also in dummy grid photo Amon Ferrari and Atwood BRM,maybe Mr Clark is having a "Jimmy riddle" before going out.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:47

Tasman Series 1968 Surfers Paradise, Brabham Repco V8 - Greg Cusack - Scuderia Veloce

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Thank you very much for this image, as well as the others. Although not quite a Formula 1 car, it is still to me the most beautiful of the era in these colours.

#74 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 21:04

Indeed...

The team cars were desecrated when they went to Castrol colours in '65. Cusack's Brabham and Lotus 23, Muir's Holden... the latter having been the most spectacularly good looking car in Torreador Red with the green across the front.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 23:13

Lotus 39 Repco V8 - mechanics starting Geoghegan's car. Also in Castrol colours at 1968 Surfers Tasman.[url="http://"%5bURL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/mechanicsstartinglotus3.jpg/"]Posted Image[/url]"]

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 23:39

Clark's Lotus 49 - notice the tape over the advertizing, CAMS didn't like it.[url="http://"%5bURL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/lotus49jimclark.jpg/"]Posted Image[/url]"]

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 23:54

Tasman series 1968 - start of sports car race, Matich SR3 vs Amon Ferrari P4
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#78 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 00:09

Originally posted by wolseley680
Lotus 39 Repco V8 - mechanics starting Geoghegan's car. Also in Castrol colours at 1968 Surfers Tasman.
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John Sheppard at the wheel, Geoff Smedley pushing to our left, perhaps Smeds will chime in and tell us who the other one pushing is.

Also in the photo is the Mustang and Greg Cusack's Brabham, and is that the Niel Allen Elan carrying 33?

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:25

John Sheppard at the wheel, Geoff Smedley pushing to our left, perhaps Smeds will chime in and tell us who the other one pushing is.

Also in the photo is the Mustang and Greg Cusack's Brabham, and is that the Niel Allen Elan carrying 33?

I also see John Cross in checked shorts on L carrying a wheel. But 33 looks to me to be a tin-top - Datsun 1600 maybe?

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 01:41

I also see John Cross in checked shorts on L carrying a wheel. But 33 looks to me to be a tin-top - Datsun 1600 maybe?

Spot on - Barry Tapsall - he had Castrol colours too.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:58

Nice shots Wolseley680 - always good to see some fresh colour from that era, particularly the Cusack car - great shot. Nice 6/80 too - my old man was a Wolseley fan. We had a 24/80 from new in 1962 till my mother stopped driving in the early 90's. He also had a 1500 for driving to work (2 actually - 1 for parts) which he bought 2nd hand from a little old lady in Glenorchy (who's surname was Sweet - no kidding!) with about 27,000 original miles on it - would have been about 1970, 71. I used to drive it at weekends when I first got my licence - took out the rear seat to slide the surfboards in thru the boot. My girlfriend at the time had a black 1500 - good for the odd race from Lindisfarne to Rosny Point! Quite a few Austin Lancers of the same shape down in Tassy as well back then.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 11:00

Thanks for the nice words, and as you can tell, I'm keen on Wolseleys. Racing cars at that Tasman meeting were amongst the last not to have wings, and were the better for it. Cusack's Brabham was a BT23, one of the prettier ones, the subsequent shovel noses and lobster claw things might have been quicker but not better looking. This was my first attempt with colour film, it was quite expensive with the develop and print costs to a baggy arse soldier like me at the time, I didn't even own the camera, I borrowed if from another guy in the tent we shared. I've got a few b/w photos from the same track at a Gold Star meeting - taken with the same camera, I'll post some soon.

#83 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:18

Wolseleys are a good thing to be keen on around here...

And I don't mean the 24/80 variety, either. Twinny is a large-BMC fancier with 6/90s and the odd Isis.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:28

There's a bloke in NSW that I exchange emails with who is rebuilding the ex Barry Sharp Wolseley 6/80.

#85 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:41

There's a photo of that somewhere here on this forum... or maybe a link to one...

I was there at Oran Park the day it actually won a race. Anglophiles went wild!

But the photo in question is at Warwick Farm, coming off the Northern Crossing.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:56

There's a photo of that somewhere here on this forum... or maybe a link to one...

Here's one:

Here's how it's done, Terry:

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That must surely be the only photo in existence of the 6/80... we used it, of course, in my story about Barry and his cars in Motor Racing Australia and I'm sure it's been posted on here before somewhere. Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe I've seen your webpage before?

I think it's a Lance J Ruting photo, isn't it? Though I don't remember Lance Needs ever being just across the track from us there to take his pics.



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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:02

Scanner died, apologies for delay. Here's another shot from the 68 Tasman meeting at Surfers Paradise, the Ferrari P4 which I read somewhere David McKay paid $30,000 for, ran it in the Tasman and the Easter meeting at Bathurst (where it went down the old Conrod at 181mph) and then sold it to Paul Hawkins for $30,000 and went to South Africa.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 18:35

Bill Brown, of course, drove it at Bathurst...

He also drove it at Warwick Farm and a couple of other meetings. Lovely car to have here, even if the duration of its stay was way too short. And the dices between Chris Amon and Frank Matich were fantastic!

The truck clearly shows the connection between Greg Cusack and SV at that time.

#89 Ian G

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 00:22

Scanner died, apologies for delay.


Just a word on Scanners,i found out the hard way,some brands won't turn on or not be seen by the OS if the drivers don't load,i had this trouble when Vista was first released,its just a matter of reloading drivers,worth a try before you chuck it.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 00:58

Just a word on Scanners,i found out the hard way,some brands won't turn on or not be seen by the OS if the drivers don't load,i had this trouble when Vista was first released,its just a matter of reloading drivers,worth a try before you chuck it.

Ian, thanks for your comment and believe me, I'm not the first to chuck stuff however in this case, I was too careful. I had a multifunction Epson that was 5yrs old and was getting harder to fire up so I had resorted to leaving it on until one day it just kept telling me of some error. So my daughter paid for one of those geeks2u to come out on a wifi hassle I was having (which he fixed) but I asked him about the Epson and he simply said "not worth looking at, buy another" but silly me got a printer guy out (cost $100) who identified a part failure which he subsequently advised me was no longer available. So I then bought another Epson (as recommended) which was unused, but through eBay - cost $100. I'm learning.

#91 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 17:08

Apart from slides, I really don't miss the fact that my scanner isn't responding any more...

I get good results from using the digital camera instead.

#92 Ian G

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 23:55

Ian, thanks for your comment and believe me, I'm not the first to chuck stuff however in this case, I was too careful. I had a multifunction Epson that was 5yrs old and was getting harder to fire up so I had resorted to leaving it on until one day it just kept telling me of some error. So my daughter paid for one of those geeks2u to come out on a wifi hassle I was having (which he fixed) but I asked him about the Epson and he simply said "not worth looking at, buy another" but silly me got a printer guy out (cost $100) who identified a part failure which he subsequently advised me was no longer available. So I then bought another Epson (as recommended) which was unused, but through eBay - cost $100. I'm learning.


No worries,i just thought i would mention it.It happened to a neighbour only a couple of Months ago,he purchased one of those Aldi flat bed stand-alone models,after nearly 6 Months usage it suddenly wouldn't turn on.After he spent a couple of hours on a Aldi help line going nowhere he asked if i could have a look,i told him about the driver issue,he reloaded them from the CD & presto all good again.Epson was the market leader in printers/scanners but i've found Canon scanners the best,the Software is written by a team in Melbourne and give little trouble.

#93 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 00:14

No worries,i just thought i would mention it.It happened to a neighbour only a couple of Months ago,he purchased one of those Aldi flat bed stand-alone models,after nearly 6 Months usage it suddenly wouldn't turn on.After he spent a couple of hours on a Aldi help line going nowhere he asked if i could have a look,i told him about the driver issue,he reloaded them from the CD & presto all good again.Epson was the market leader in printers/scanners but i've found Canon scanners the best,the Software is written by a team in Melbourne and give little trouble.

I think everyone has found out all this lovely cheap office equipment can be a real pain. I have never had a scanner die yet but the printer and fax functions I am up to I think 7 now in seven years. On nameless brand kept on replacing them about monthly until they upgraded me to a better model that can still be a pain as it is slow. But eventually always does the job,, though occasionally needs to be turned off, given a cup of tea and a Bex and restarted to go on for a few more months! And I only use it about once a day!

#94 E1pix

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 02:34

Scanners sometimes do have issues with a newer OS. But a far more prevalent issue is they are wired through a hub, and/or is too many devices are turned on at the same time when through a hub. This happens to me all the time.

The first thing I'd try is to turn off all your peripheral devices, and hard wire your scanner directly to your computer. Turn only the scanner back on, leave it on, and re-start your computer. It will more than likely work upon re-boot.

One of my old Epsons that I only use on flat art now — a 2470 — still works fine on a four-year old OS, thought it's running nearly 11 year-old software. When it doesn't want to boot, I do the above. Works every time.

In general, when buying a scanner, factor in how many images you ultimately want to do, how high of quality you want, and how long you spend on each file. What you'll likely find is it's worth it to buy one you previously thought was "too expensive." In the end, how much are your life's best memories, and your time, worth to you? (I learned this the hard way and had to re-scan over 2,500 files)

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:56

Wolseley pic, where was it taken ?

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#96 eldougo

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:17

Catalina Park.

#97 wolseley680

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 13:18

Once again from the 68 Tasman round at Surfers, Max Brunninghausen's very pretty Alfa TZ2.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:38

That is a lovely car and always has been with loads of different drivers. thanks W-680.
Did it end up in a gold color at some stage of its racing life ,i wonder were it is now.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:28

wolseley680 - Any chance you could post on the "Australian photos' thread.

http://forums.autosp...showtopic=93148

The title of this thread didn't interest me so I've ignored it up until now. Others who will enjoy your photos may have done the same. Thanks.

Edited by Wirra, 02 October 2012 - 08:30.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:16

Yes, that Alfa is a cracking car - anyone got any info on it? Love that colour shot of the P4 too - my absolute favourite! Was there ever a better looking sports car built....