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#51 Allen Brown

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 10:05

Originally posted by gdecarli

Have you got any info/map about track used?

Ciao,
Guido

"The circuit of the Singapore Grand Prix 1968 embraces the new Upper Thomson Road from its junction with old Thompson Road to Sembawang Hill Circus and the old Upper Thomson Road from its junction with the new Upper Thomson Road to Sembawang Hill Circus."

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#52 ekwah

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 21:31

That makes sence thanks. Elfin book by John Blandonagrees that Garries car was left in
Singapore.
However it perhaps shows a small error in report of '69 Singapore GP, which says that
Hengkie Iriawan was in a FVA powered Elfin 600. He would have been in the ex Garrie Cooper
Twin Cam powered car. His own FVA powered car (chassie 6910) was not delivered from the
Elfin factory until August '69.

If he did indeed run an FVA in the Singapore GP, (in April '69) Paul Hamilton would be VERY pleased.

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 21:35

Does anyone know where Tony Maw might be .
I last heard that he might be in Melbourne.

I will be in Melbourne In Feb and it would be good to talk to him.

#54 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 22:01

Originally posted by ekwah
That makes sence thanks. Elfin book by John Blandon agrees that Garrie's car was left in
Singapore.

However it perhaps shows a small error in report of '69 Singapore GP, which says that
Hengkie Iriawan was in a FVA powered Elfin 600. He would have been in the ex Garrie Cooper
Twin Cam powered car. His own FVA powered car (chassis 6910) was not delivered from the
Elfin factory until August '69.

If he did indeed run an FVA in the Singapore GP, (in April '69) Paul Hamilton would be VERY pleased.


If he did... yes...

Paul Hamilton once went to England to try to find the Iriawan FVA car. I gather he couldn't trace it, so instead of that, he spent the money on a Dino 246 with a Daytona kit, which on its arrival in Australia (circa 1981?) was one of just eight of that type here.

If it's right that Iriawan used an FVA in the first 600, then you could well be right that Tony Maw bought the engine out of it.

To which report are you referring?

Paul is definitely of the belief that there's never been a fuel injection engine in his car. He also understands that Tony bought his twin cam for the Mono from Garrie Cooper directly, actually got Garrie to build an engine especially for him.

There's an A Maw in the phone book at Tuross Heads on the NSW South Coast, by the way...

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 23:55

and theres much maw Maws in Melbourne....

this one looks promising.....Maw T Z Springvale 3171 (03) 9540 XXXX

#56 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 00:03

Only thing is that Paul Hamilton had just told me that, last he heard, Tony was on the South Coast somewhere...

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 10:52

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Here's something I bought at Beaulieu this year and had forgotten I'd got:

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Come on then David, how many of these cars can you identify?

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Allen


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Car #42 in the event is the same car that I race now in Historic Group Nc albeit with a 1330cc engine. The car has been repainted in the same colors as we raced in the Newton Enterprises Racing team - Heather grey with a white roof.

For the record Garrie Cooper won the GP in his Elfin. Two minis finished with Steve Harvey 5th overall and myself in 12th

Newton Enterprises Racing was owned by local Singapore businessman PH Wong and was a promotional tool for his Newton Enterprises Speed Shop. He owned 2 of the minis which he provided for guest drivers like Peter Manton and Steve Harvey to drive. The others were owned by privateers but we received help with parts and workshop facilities (PH Wong seemed to have access to BMC Special Tuning goodies before they became available off the shelf)

The Brabham Climax driven by Gricey was also owned by Newton Enterprises. It is now back in Australia and is now in the Mildren Team yellow livery

Car #61 Lotus Super 7 is also now in Australia and has been repainted in the Newton Enterprises colors

Ken Nelson
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The following report provided by Ken Nelson:

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Finally...smiles all round

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 03:48

I was referring to your post of 20 Nov '03. You report on the '69 S'pore GP
and list Hengke Irawan as driving an Elfin 600 FVA. He had to be in the
ex Cooper Car as his own 600 FVA did not leave the Elfin factory until
Aug '69. The race was in April. All my info says he was in a 600 but nothing about
what engine he used.
Same report says Tony Maw was in a 600, but he was definitely in a Mono.

#59 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 11:47

Originally posted by Ray Bell
.....To which report are you referring?....


Could you have a go at answering this one, ekwah?

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 12:41

Originally posted by Allen Brown
"The circuit of the Singapore Grand Prix 1968 embraces the new Upper Thomson Road from its junction with old Thompson Road to Sembawang Hill Circus and the old Upper Thomson Road from its junction with the new Upper Thomson Road to Sembawang Hill Circus."

Sorry for my late answer and thanks for all those info!

So, according to The GEL Motorsport, this was track layout:

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Ciao,
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 14:06

I have some photos of the Singapore GP but am not sure if they are from 1968. There are a #18 Mini (Brian Foley?) #110 Alfa Romeo GTV (Peter Chow?) & #66 ALbert Poon Alfa Romeo GTA (but the driver doesn't look like him). How do I post these pics?

#62 Ray Bell

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 20:32

http://imageshack.us

The instructions are in a thread at the head of the page you just came from...

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 14:01

here are the links to the photos : http://img82.imagesh...03340n725du.jpg, http://img82.imagesh...03340n717jg.jpg & http://img82.imagesh...file00580bc.jpg.

#64 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 14:25

Originally posted by chfu
here are the photos :
http://img82.imagesh...03340n725du.jpg

http://img82.imagesh...03340n717jg.jpg

http://img82.imagesh...file00580bc.jpg.


Much better to see the photos... but I don't think you've followed the simple instructions... it's not as hard as this!

You highlight the line that says 'hotlink for forums (1)' and copy and past that line adding no commas etc

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 15:44

I had pretty much forgotten about this thread. The reason I asked in the first place was for someone else with an interest in the event and particularly the 23s. Lots of very interesting material in here, especially the page from the program that Allen has posted.

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 14:15

The many details on the touring car race will appear on my site soon. Thanks for providing so much information about an interesting race.

#67 Allen Brown

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 16:41

I bought John Blanden's excellent new edition of "Historic Racing Cars of Australia" yesterday and have hardly been able to put it down.

Amongst the many new things I've discovered, Jan Bussell's car is described as a Brabham BT14/BT16 that was first raced in the UK in 1965 by Howden Ganley. I hadn't come across Ganley in libre in 1965 but I may have missed him if his car wasn't described as a twin-cam or a 1600cc. When Bussell imported the car, he apparantly had problems because the car didn't have a chassis plate so it was given a plate with the number AM88/FJB2. This AM number may give a clue to the approximate period it was built.

It apparantly went to New Zealand next but Vercoe makes no mention of it. John Dymond bought it in NZ in 1999 and took it to Australia.

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 17:59

My copy of Blanden says the car was built by Ganley and first raced in 1965 - it doesn't say that Ganley raced it ;)

Also, it may have gone to NZ after Vercoe's books were published

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 19:08

You're quite right that it doesn't say he drove it, although that is the implication. I needed to read it twice.

Blanden says it went to New Zealand in the 1970s, well before Vercoe's books appeared, but as it didn't race there, there's no reason Vercoe should have know about it.

What we really need is someone who lived in New Zealand in the 1970s and 1980s who had a particular interest in the history of old racing cars. Now, let me think...

Allen

#70 David McKinney

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 19:49

You're not the only one who needed to read the text again
I'd overlooked Blanden's reference to the car gong to NZ in the 1970s :blush:
I'd be extremely surprised if it did, though.

#71 Allen Brown

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 20:10

Very odd car, isn't it? Highly opaque history before arriving in the Far East and equally opaque for 20 years afterwards. I don't suppose Howden's going to remember it after all these years so we may never know its origins.

Allen

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Posted 30 January 2006 - 08:22

Here are the correct links to the photos kindly posted by 'chfu' above:

http://img82.imagesh...file00580bc.jpg

http://img82.imagesh...03340n725du.jpg

http://img82.imagesh...03340n717jg.jpg

The Mini does not look like Brian Foley though.

#73 275 GTB-4

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 11:04

Originally posted by normbeechey
Here are the correct links to the photos kindly posted by 'chfu' above:

http://img82.imagesh...03340n725du.jpg

The Mini does not look like Brian Foley though.


Why do you think that Chris??? It appears to be the same as the one represented in the congratulatory announcements for Foley and Manton that I posted above :confused:

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 03:34

Dave McKinny & members of The Singapore GP Forum :- From memory an up date for you records.

Re Heinkie Iriawan (Heinkie Ooi), first bought & raced a Brabham BT 14 or older & raced in the Tunku Abdul Rahman Rothman GP at the new Batu Tiga track in 1967. He bought Garrie Cooper's winning Elfin 600 after the 1967 Singapore GP, fitted a new 1600 Lotus BRM fuel injected engine. Car didn't run well in it's first outing at the Batu Tiga track due to a broken valve spring. Won the 1968 or 1969 Tunku Abdul Rahman Rothman GP with it.- sold the car to Teddy Yip & now I believe is kept in the Macau Race Car Museum.
Heinkie also bought Ramsey's Elfin 300, Car sold to me less engine. I fitted a Martin stroked 12 valve engine. Car sold to Vaughn Stibbard who shipped it to Sydney. Heinkie also bought Vern Shuppen’s Pallaser, which is also now in Australia with Vaughn Stibbard.
Heinkie crashed into a popplar tree driving a Go-Kart. & died in Ipoh, Malaysia.
Alan Grice Elfin mono, was sold to Tony Maw. Lou de Marco's Johore GP winning Lotus 7 sold to Chris Reid - Canberra, Australia.
My Brabham BT-23C (chassis #2) ex Denny Hume & BT-10 ex Mike Knight/ Dodjie Laurel eventually found it's way down to Australia.
A host of information is available on :- http://currypotproductions.com/ [Singapore GP 1961 - 73]

Others :-

23 April 1962, Malaysian GP - Yong Nam Kee (possibly Jaguar D-type) No! E-type
Nam Kee (Fatso Yong) crashed on the seafront straight - 1963 JohoreGP in the 1st D-type outing.

27 March 1967, Singapore GP - Rodney Seow (Merlyn)
3 September 1967, Tunkhu Abdul Rahman Trophy (Kuala Lumpur) - Rodney Seow (Merlyn)
10 September 1967, Johore GP- Lee Han Seng (Brabham BT16) - Han Seng had a BT 18

Cheers,
Rodney Seow

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 07:26

Rodney
Many thanks for those points
And a warm welcome to TNF - its great to have members who were actually there :down:

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 08:25

For those who are interested: There's an article about the Singapore GP in this month's Motor Sport.

#77 Allen Brown

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 10:49

Welcome Rodney!

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 11:32

Originally posted by sss11
My Brabham BT-23C (chassis #2) ex Denny Hume & BT-10 ex Mike Knight/ Dodjie Laurel eventually found it's way down to Australia

I had your Brabham BT23C down as #1 - ex-Brabham and Gardner
after you to Mike Truter (Singapore) by 1980 then Brian Wilson in Australia 1983
BT23C-2 was raced by Peter Gethin for Frank Lythgoe in 1968; my last note of it is with Low Cost Racing in early 1973
Have I been wrong all these years?

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 00:54

Originally posted by David McKinney

I had your Brabham BT23C down as #1 - ex-Brabham and Gardner
after you to Mike Truter (Singapore) by 1980 then Brian Wilson in Australia 1983
BT23C-2 was raced by Peter Gethin for Frank Lythgoe in 1968; my last note of it is with Low Cost Racing in early 1973
Have I been wrong all these years?


Yes I bought the car for Pounds 850, sold it for the price of the brand new FT 200 I put in it,
together with the ex Mike Knight/Dodjie Laurel's BT10 to Mike Trutter.
The BT23C-2 was the works car of Danny Hulme, also raced by Graham Mc Rae, who raced & crashed it in England. Then I imported the car to S'pore. Hope this clears any doubts
Cheers, - Rodney Seow

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#80 David McKinney

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 11:38

Thanks for that, Rodney. I'll amend my records accordingly
A couple more questions, if I may
First, are you saying that - leaving aside optional spellings of the first name - Hengkie Ooi and Hengkie Iriawan were the same person? If so, why the change? (Or do we need to find an Indoensian TNF member to answer that?)
Also, after racing your Merlyn Mk7 for - I think - two seasons, you were reported as having a "new" Merlyn for 1967. What model was the second Merlyn - or was it a misprint :)

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 14:04

Originally posted by David McKinney
Thanks for that, Rodney. I'll amend my records accordingly
A couple more questions, if I may
First, are you saying that - leaving aside optional spellings of the first name - Hengkie Ooi and Hengkie Iriawan were the same person? If so, why the change? (Or do we need to find an Indoensian TNF member to answer that?)
Also, after racing your Merlyn Mk7 for - I think - two seasons, you were reported as having a "new" Merlyn for 1967. What model was the second Merlyn - or was it a misprint :)

David,
Yes! Hengkie Ooi is Chinese & the family in business living in Indonesia. Being Chinese in Indonesia in those days had its drawbacks. Almost all Chinese changed there names in the 60's(eg Rudy Harhanto, The badminton player)
The first Merlyn was the 1962 works Mk7, fitted with long range side & top fuel tanks & a 1500 cc
Ford Cosworth pushrod engine. I first ran it in the 1964 Singapore GP, which was rained out after 4 laps. The second Merlyn was a new Mk-10 fitted with Long range tanks, 1600cc Lotus/Cosworth twin cam, imported for the 1967 Singapore GP.
Cheers,
Rodney

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 16:16

Fantastic :clap:
Thanks very much :up:

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 00:54

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4


Allen, do you know if the Driver of the #32 Le Grand was a signwriter by trade??

and A.N. Other in the Brabham 1500...is he another one we may know ;) :)





#32 Le Grand's owner/driver was Allan Bond a Singaporean, who was an underwater salvage engineer.

I had # 28 Brabham BT 10, ex Mike Night/Dodjie Laurel, & # 27 Merlyn Mk 10 powered by a Martin 1865 12 valve engine, which I never did to get running, as it ran on 3 cylinders. Used the Brabham in the 1968 race. Got bumped by Chong Boon Seng's Lotus 23 at Devils, retired with a broken front wheel & cracked chassis.
Rodney Seow

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 14:10

....back to the Elfin 600 Prototype

Garrie Cooper revealed the tube-framed Elfin 600 prototype in early 1968 and the single-seater did its first test run on 23rd March 1968 at Calder Raceway, Victoria. The car was then setup for racing in Southeast Asia and within two weeks of its first test, was being freighted to Kuala Lumpur for the Malaysian Grand Prix on 6th April 1968 with a 1600cc Ford Twin Cam engine. It would have been a splendid start for Garrie and the 600, until six laps from the end when he retired with a broken gearbox (?).

A week later and Garrie was down in Singapore for the third Singapore International Grand Prix, racing the 600 Prototype under the Maple Leaf Racing Team banner. That was the year the 600 prototype won.

Prior to buying Garrie's 600 Prototype, the diminutive Hengkie Iriawan (Henkie Oei was his original Chinese name) had been running a Brabham BT18 Twin Cam. The BT18 had been purchased from a fellow competitor “but it was pretty twisted…and it was thoroughly uncompetitive…I gave him the money before I saw the car..” It was so bad, one carburettor was a Weber 40DCOE while the other was a Weber 45DCOE! It did not take much from Hengkie to sell the Brabham in favour of the Elfin Twin Cam, a car already successful in the hands of the boss (Garrie Cooper).

Success for Hengkie came quick in the Elfin. His first outing was at the Malaysian Grand Prix on 8th September 1968, which he won. The following week, Hengkie was down in Johore for the street race. The weather was foul and Hengkie lost it on a puddle at 120mph and “aquaplaned clear off the circuit” while leading the race. The Elfin was immediately rebuilt for the Macau Grand Prix (run on 17th November 1968) where it took second behind Jan Bussell’s Brabham BT14 F2. Third was Max Brunninghausen in the Alfa Romeo TZII with Tony Maw fourth in the Elfin 100 Mono Mk2B.

Meanwhile, Garrie had been busy building upon the success of that first sale of what would become a very versatile model for Elfin Cars. That prototype had been used to test an airfoil at Mallala before being shipped out to Southeast Asia and Asian racing trim with the Twin Cam Lotus-Ford engine, had been dyno-tested at 180bhp with a Laystall crank, Cosworth con-rods and twin Weber 45DCOE carburettors. Gearbox was an FT200 (the original Hewland Mk5 having been junked) with Porsche single dry-plate clutch. Without fuel, the car weighed 880lb (400kg). A production 600 was then built and sold to Maurie Quincey.

For the 1969 season, Garrie Cooper had the 600C – with a 2.5-litre Repco 830 V8 engine, the intention being to run the Southeast Asian series (Singapore and Malaysia) followed by JAF Japan GP at Mount Fuji. Two cars were built, one which Garrie would use for Asia before selling to Malcolm Ramsay (who would fit a Waggott 2-litre engine). Ramsey eventually sold it to Roger Harrison in 1974 who sold it to Paul Hamilton (restored in 1995 with a 2.5-litre Lotus Twin-Cam apparently). Hengkie would feature in the Elfin story once more – having bought the other 600C, chassis 6910 with a Series 9 1600cc FVA engine which he used in New Zealand Gold Star meetings at Pukekohe and Bay Park between September and October 1969 with the assistance of Graeme Lawrence’s father Doug Lawrence.

That's what I have on the Elfin 600 Prototype and the 600C. Graeme Lawrence passed me some old photos, issues of RCN and Motorman and recounted some of the races in Asia. It appears that Garrie’s Elfin 600C was by no means outclassed by GL's M4A McLaren or Roly Levis's BT23C. At Batu Tiga, the car had been running up to third in qualifying with Levis in first and Lawrence in second. The Elfin was certainly faster on the straight but the McLaren M4A made it up with warm Firestones on the twisty sections of the track. While it possessed a great deal of promise, having started on the front row of every event it had entered in Asia, it never completed any of the races.

Do correct me if there are inaccuracies in the text. I'm still trying to figure out which 600B ended up with Teddy Yip.

Eli

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 01:59

As far as can recall, Hengkie's first single seater was a BT 14 or older with different sized UJ's & drive shafts, a real mess of a car - 1st raced at the Tungku Abdul Rahman Rothmans race in 1967. He imported it from UK.
Then the bought Garie Coopers 600 & Malcom Ramsy's 300. Don't remember him mentioning buying another Elfin powered by an FVA. Mentioned he spent some time with the Lawrences' getting some pointers, coaching, practicing or racing in NZ.
I believe the 600 he sold to Teddy Yip is the only one he owned, that Garrie Cooper won the 1968 Singapore GP with.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 03:34

Am almost certain that Hengkie had two 600s - the Prototype and then a newer 600C. The 600C was delivered for him to race at Pukekohe and Bay Park Sept/Oct 1969 and he was taken care of by Doug Lawrence. I'll run this by Graeme and get him to check with Doug. There was an article on Hengkie's NZ racing in either Motorman or AutoNews. The photo of the 600c shows airfoils on the car. I'm sure he did both races in NZ - but without much success. Hope this helps.

I'll have a look at the Teddy Yip Elfin 600 in Macau next week. Engine's gone and bits and pieces have been changed over the years but there may be some material there to determine if it was indeed the Prototype or the 600C that the late Teddy bought from Hengkie.

As for the BT18 - I guess you would know better than anyone else. Hengkie referred to the Brabham in an interview as a BT18 - perhaps easier to give it a model during an interview? He was caustic with his remarks about the car in the interview however. Anyone who runs one bank of cylinders with a 40DCOE and another with a 45DCOE on a 4 cylinder car ought to suspect that there was something amiss with the engine - or the tuner.

Cheers,
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Posted 21 March 2006 - 06:06

Eli's right. Iriawan raced two Elfins
His first Asian race in the second (FVA) car was at Macau in 1969
I'm not sure which car went to Teddy Yip, but I believe the FVA ended up under a Toyota Celica body

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 06:49

Can any of you guys say more about Jan Bussell’s Brabham BT14? I tried to trace the BT14s a while ago but couldn't fit this one into the jigsaw at all. What do you know of it?

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 07:44

My only contribution is that I sold him a brand new Brian Hart tuned, Lotus twin cam engine to race in the Macau GP. Forget the year.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 11:00

Jan Bussell's BT14....here goes....

Jan bought a rolling chassis (BT14) from Howden Ganley in either 65 or 66. Ganley was then residing in Maidenhead in the UK and Jan was a commercial pilot based in Kuala Lumpur. Ganley had the BT14 for F3 the previous season but never used it. Jan shipped the chassis to KL where a 1600 Ford TC engine with Mk5 gbx were fitted. The car was then entered for the Sing and Malaysian GPs and in Macau in 68 – where it won. I gather from records that Jan had probably uprated the engine to a Vegantune one.

Now for the chassis identification saga…..

To get the car in and out of Macau, the car needed a chassis number (they haven’t changed. I needed of for the Daren Prototype as well!). Jan used his initials – FJB2 for Fancis Jan Bussell! Why 2 and not 1? Even Jan can’t remember why.

The other identification mark for this car would be the rollover bar. Regs in Singapore and KL changed and the original bar height was raised, hence you now should have a BT14 with a higher than original roll hoop.

One other bit about the BT18. Jan ran Torque Shop in KL and his racing color was orange. There should be traces of the original BRG under that orange – assuming the car is still around and someone dares to check this point out.

As for chassis plates…Jan never had one.

Briefly, Jan’s racing around the time of getting the BT14 chassis….
1966 – Lola Ford for the Singapore Grand Prix
1967 – Lola Ford and Jaguar E-Type for the Singapore Grand Prix
1968 – BT14 Twin Cam under Team Torque – FTD at Singapore GP. 2nd place finish to Garrie Cooper’s Elfin 600 Prototype Twin Cam
1969 – BT14 F2
1970 – BT14 F2
1971 – incorrectly listed as a BT15?
1972 – Mclaren M4C (Singapore GP 72, Macau 71)
1973 - Palliser WDB4 [1] BDA BRM - Team Rothmans & Chevron B8 (Singapore GP). For Macau 73, Jan had the March 712 (aka 732) with Rodney's Hart engine (Rodney, would that be correct?).


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Posted 21 March 2006 - 12:26

There can be no greater proof that the Iriawan 600 with FVA wasn't the original car than the fact that Paul Hamilton still runs that car with a twin cam...

You can bet that if he could run an FVA, Paul would most certainly do so!

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 13:10

Elfin 600's that spent time in Asia are as follows...

#6801 (the prototype) Original Owner Garrie Cooper (Lotus Ford Twin Cam) then Hengkie Irawan, Tony Maw and finally Paul Hamilton in Australia (since 1973)

#6908 (600C) Original Owner Garrie Cooper (Repco Brabham 830 series) then Malcolm Ramsey(Aust). Roger Harrison (Aust), Simon Bartold (Aust), and finally Ian Ross (Aust)

#6910 (600C) Original Owner Hengkie Irawan (Cosworth FVA), then Joey Bundalian. Current whereabouts unknown - believed major components used to build a Sports Sedan in Asia.

#7015 (600B) Original Owner Teddy Yip, Car driven at various times by Albert Poon, Allan Moffatt, Max Stewart, Tony Stewart etc. Currently in the Macau Grand Prix Museum

#7018 (600B) Original Owner John Walker (Lotus Ford Twin Cam). Walker sold this car to Harvey Simon who took it to Asia . It was the sold to Erwin Lyndsay in the UK where it was sprinted and hillclimbed by Jonathan Toulmin, Jeremy Bouckley, Denis Welch. Currently owned by Stuart and Phoebe Rolt in the UK

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#93 Eli Solomon

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 13:37

Let's flick it around a bit, Brian. I don't know chassis numbers but ownership details should be quite straightforward?

#6801 (the prototype) Original Owner Garrie Cooper (Lotus Ford Twin Cam)
Yes - then Hengkie Iriawan, then I think to Teddy Yip (as the 600B), not Tony Maw....finally Paul Hamilton in Australia (since 1973) ?

#6908 (600C) Original Owner Garrie Cooper (Repco Brabham 830 series) for Malcolm Ramsay

#6910 (600C) Original Owner Hengkie Iriawan (Cosworth FVA) - deliver at Pukekohe for the Gold Star meeting in 1969. Raced at Macau, then Southeast Asia, winning the Malaysian National Open race at the Batu Tiga in December 1970. Then Joey Bundalian. Current whereabouts unknown - believed major components used to build a Sports Sedan in Asia.

#7015 (600B) Original Owner Teddy Yip, Car driven at various times by Albert Poon, Allan Moffatt, Max Stewart, Tony Stewart etc. Currently in the Macau Grand Prix Museum
I think this would be the Prototype 6801

#7018 (600B) Original Owner John Walker (Lotus Ford Twin Cam). Walker sold this car to Harvey Simon who took it to Asia . It was the sold to Erwin Lyndsay in the UK where it was sprinted and hillclimbed by Jonathan Toulmin, Jeremy Bouckley, Denis Welch. Currently owned by Stuart and Phoebe Rolt in the UK

Others in Asia:
Tony Maw Elfin 100 Mono - Alan Grice, Ian Cook, Mike Cook then Tony Maw. Tony also had a 600 which he raced in Macau in 1971

Mal Ramsay - Elfin 300 Sports which Rodney Seow acquired from Ramsay

Teddy Yip's 600 at Macau in 1971 was offered to Allan Moffat (DNS)
K.S. Suen - 1973 Macau - used Teddy's 600 under Tehodore Racing (with Vern Schuppan)

Elfin Getty - Bundalian's 1973 Macau car

Have I missed out any?

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 14:48

Originally posted by Eli Solomon
Have I missed out any?

Can't think of any OTTOMH - assuming you're restricting yourself to single-seaters ;)

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 00:02

Originally posted by Eli Solomon
Let's flick it around a bit, Brian. I don't know chassis numbers but ownership details should be quite straightforward?

#6801 (the prototype) Original Owner Garrie Cooper (Lotus Ford Twin Cam)
Yes - then Hengkie Iriawan, then I think to Teddy Yip (as the 600B), not Tony Maw....finally Paul Hamilton in Australia (since 1973) ?

#6908 (600C) Original Owner Garrie Cooper (Repco Brabham 830 series) for Malcolm Ramsay

#6910 (600C) Original Owner Hengkie Iriawan (Cosworth FVA) - deliver at Pukekohe for the Gold Star meeting in 1969. Raced at Macau, then Southeast Asia, winning the Malaysian National Open race at the Batu Tiga in December 1970. Then Joey Bundalian. Current whereabouts unknown - believed major components used to build a Sports Sedan in Asia.

#7015 (600B) Original Owner Teddy Yip, Car driven at various times by Albert Poon, Allan Moffatt, Max Stewart, Tony Stewart etc. Currently in the Macau Grand Prix Museum
I think this would be the Prototype 6801

#7018 (600B) Original Owner John Walker (Lotus Ford Twin Cam). Walker sold this car to Harvey Simon who took it to Asia . It was the sold to Erwin Lyndsay in the UK where it was sprinted and hillclimbed by Jonathan Toulmin, Jeremy Bouckley, Denis Welch. Currently owned by Stuart and Phoebe Rolt in the UK

Others in Asia:
Tony Maw Elfin 100 Mono - Alan Grice, Ian Cook, Mike Cook then Tony Maw. Tony also had a 600 which he raced in Macau in 1971

Mal Ramsay - Elfin 300 Sports which Rodney Seow acquired from Ramsay

Teddy Yip's 600 at Macau in 1971 was offered to Allan Moffat (DNS)
K.S. Suen - 1973 Macau - used Teddy's 600 under Tehodore Racing (with Vern Schuppan)

Elfin Getty - Bundalian's 1973 Macau car

Have I missed out any?


Elfin 300 :- Mel Ramsey --> Hangkie --> Rodney Seow --> Vern Shuppan.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 09:08

Originally posted by sss11

Elfin 300 :- Mel Ramsey --> Hangkie --> Rodney Seow --> Vern Shuppan.

Correction :- Mel Ramsey --> Hangkie --> Rodney Seow --> Vaughan Stibbard.

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 21:12

Originally posted by Eli Solomon
Jan Bussell's BT14....here goes....

Eli

Thanks for this. As the car didn't have a chassis plate, do you know how it was identified as a BT14. As an ex-F3 car, wouldn't it have been a BT15? As far as I'm aware, the chassis of the BT14 was pretty much the same as that of the BT15.

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Posted 26 March 2006 - 08:49

Allen,

Pretty much the same but different in the engine compartment in the positioning of chassis tubes to either take an MAE tilted at 30 degrees or a twin-cam at vertigal , so especially the rhs tubes in the vertical plane were different , as was the bulkhead behind the drivers shoulders , this was all to do with the dry sump oil pumps sitting in the chassis at different angles and the water pumps for the same reason , also the BT14's had some oval tubes in them for extra strength.

Bryan.

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 03:31

Rodney

Good to hear from somone who was arround, and involved in racing in Asia..
I can remember seeing you at Shar Alam in about 1969/70.

In your post of 11 March you say that the ex Grice Elfin Mono went to Mike Cook and then
Tony Maw. This is also the info that I have, and makes sence.

My Australian friends, and Eli think that Tony Maw had the ex Garrie Cooper Mono.

Can you confirm that Tony Maw bought the ex Grice car. It would have still had an 1100cc
engine at that time. I believe Tony bought a twin Cam Ford from Garrie Cooper for this car.
Later it was owed by Edward Tan.

As I now own it, I am very interested in it's history, particularly it's time in Asia

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 12:04

Originally posted by sss11


Yes I bought the car for Pounds 850, sold it for the price of the brand new FT 200 I put in it,
together with the ex Mike Knight/Dodjie Laurel's BT10 to Mike Trutter.
The BT23C-2 was the works car of Danny Hulme, also raced by Graham Mc Rae, who raced & crashed it in England. Then I imported the car to S'pore. Hope this clears any doubts
Cheers, - Rodney Seow

Sorry Guys I've made a great mistake which needs correction.
The Brabham I had was BT 23C-1 as you originally recorded it . I just came across the Bill-of-Sale to Mike Trutter. Getting old - there must be a short circuit in my memory. My apologies for any confusion caused. :o