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#501 arttidesco

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 11:20

Just spent a couple of entertaining hours ploughing through this thread :up:

 

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Since the free lunch with Image Shack is over I apologise in advance if the answer to my question was once obvious to see here, but can any one advise me as to which "Alta GP chassis" the body of Charles Fripp's Gomm Special, seen above, might once have resided on as  hinted at half way down this FISCAR blurb ?  



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#502 fivestar

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 00:28

Been a bit lazy recently especially as all I see where the photos used to be is some ImageShack advert.

Could the chassis for the Gomm Special have been F2/1 the ex Tony Gaze car. The engine went into a HWM and the rest of the car used for a Jaguar engined special. 



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 15:24

Frank was born in 1898 so he's not with us anymore not sure when he died but I could ask my mom tomorrow



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 15:32

Do you know who owns 58s this was my great uncle Frank's car



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 15:53

58 is Frank O'Boyle he sold it to the Bellevue Garage in 1946



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 23:41

#58s was purchased by the Norris brothers early post WW2 and subsequently became the Norris Special utilising an Alta twin tube chassis and Lancia front suspension.



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Posted 01 January 2015 - 03:33

For the record 58s was sold post war to the Bellevue Garage



#508 NicolasB

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 13:43

My father is the new proud owner of the HW Alta-Jaguar RPG 418 and HW Alta NPA5.

I have been racing the RPG 418 the last 2 years. You can see some video's here: https://www.youtube....VMM6WbR8xFYpkY6

 

It would be great if anyone has more old pictures/info/stories of them.



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Posted 29 March 2015 - 17:28

I remember seeing the car as a schoolboy when it was raced in Kenya at Nakuru by, amongst others, Peter Shepherd, Peter Sargeantson and Beau Younghusband.  I have no photos unfortunately.  All I can remember with any accuracy is that it was painted red.   I'll dredge through the memory bank and post anything else I can remember on here.



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Posted 03 May 2015 - 17:34

Only just picked up this thread again.  I was told that the Peter Sargeantson car in Kenya in the late 1960s was the ex Scragg HWM (? SPC registered) not the Alta (Alta GP1 registered RPG 418).   Is this correct ??

The car that Sargeantson drove had the registration KHJ 144 so this may just be another red herring - dont know if KHJ 144 was an UK reg.   It didnt seem to have Alta type rubber block front suspension like RPG 418.

Any ideas anyone ?



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Posted 03 May 2015 - 21:20

According to Doug Nye's Powered by Jaguar, Phil Scragg had two HW-Alta-Jaguars.  The first was RPG 418 which was originally Alta chassis GP No 1, or GP101.  After Spragg sold it, it raced for some years in Britain before being exported in 1959 to Uganda and Kenya with Frank Brown and was later owned by Peter Sargeantson.  He goes on to say:  "The original Alta rubber-block rear suspension was replaced by a transverse-leaf spring system, presumably to provide greater travel on poor surfaces."

KHJ 144 is a Nairobi registration number dating from about 1962.  As the Alta went to East Africa in 1959 it was presumably originally registered in Uganda when Frank Brown was living in Uganda.

The second car that HW Motors built up for Phil Scragg was SPC 982.  This car spent its whole racing career in Britain. 


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Posted 04 May 2015 - 16:28

Thanks for that.  It is still a bit mysterious to me as in a photo that someone showed me of Peter Sargeatson racing what is described as "an ex Scragg Alta" there is no sign of the front rubber block suspension (assuming only the rear was replaced on GP1 and not the front as well).  

I was told that this car registered KHJ144 was an HWM Jaguar - although incorrectly described at the time as an Alta Jaguar.

To add to the confusion I understand that HWM constructed a second Alta Jaguar for Scragg in about 1956 using the ex Tony Gaze F2 chassis and this initially used the registration number SPC 982 for a short period.  In about 1957 HWM then built a pure HWM Jaguar for Scragg which then took on the SPC 982 registration (and also used some of the parts from the second Alta Jaguar which had the ex Tony Gaze F2 chassis).

However this still makes me wonder what the Sargeantson car was as it didnt seem to have the front rubber block suspension ??

 



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Posted 16 August 2015 - 11:54

The Hills around Rob Roy reverberated to the sounds of vintage sports cars today, as the VSCC ran their annual hillclimb there.

 

Graeme Lowe's impeccably presented Alta was amongst those to be exercised.

 

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In the above photo Earl Davey-Milne chats with Graeme in front of the car. To the left is Jim 'Stumpy' Russell and his Ford V8 special.

 

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#514 Dick Willis

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Posted 16 August 2015 - 11:56

I love it !



#515 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 August 2015 - 14:56

It's always been such a nice car...

Graeme overcame a great deal to rebuild it the first time, it looks like he's done another renovation on it. And, as usual, done so impeccably.

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 14:05

An interesting discussion has been started on the VSCC forum about the lesser known cars that belonged to Bobbie Baird and it contains a reference to Altas stating that the perceived wisdom of GP4 being created from an F2 chassis (F2/3) is incorrect and that both entities exist i.e. the ex Freemantle Museum car which recently came back to the UK is not GP4 but F2/3 and GP4 was built as a GP car and is still extant (it apparently has little race history to speak of).

Can anyone throw more light on this?



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Posted 06 February 2016 - 08:53

The Alta you are reffering to was bought to Australia in about 1956 by Gib Barratt to my knowledge he raced it in the 1956 Australian Grand Prix. In 1957 it was purchased by Sydney Anderson to race in the 1957 AGP AT Caversham Western Australia where it broke down during the race, Syd raced the car successfully 3 times after that he died in 1957 and the car was unused for sometime before going back to i believe South Australia where it was unused. In 1960 Jack Ayres bought the car back to WA and raced it a few times before selling it to Jim Ward who drove it a few times but was very troublesome. After Jim finished driving it the car was parked in the open in front of a house in a Perth suburb. A local exotic car dealer tried unsuccessfully to buy the car and it was eventually went back to to the Eastern states where i believe it was housed in a private collection. In the early 80s it was purchased by Peter Briggs for the York Motor museum. The car received a full restoration by Briggs and it was taken to the 1987 AGP in Adelaide where it competed in the Historic demonstrations this is the last time the car was ever driven because of engine damage. The car was housed at York and Fremantle motor museums and bought out ocassionally for static display the last time i saw it on display was at the 50th anniversary of the 1957 AGP in 2007 where it just sat in the pit area getting covered in dust from cars going past,to me it was a pitiful sight. Some years later it was sold at auction and returned to the UK. In all it's time in Australia i would say the car only competed in about 12 races. It was always one of my favorite racing cars,i have many photos of it in my collection


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 16:56

Ken, you will be pleased to know that the Alta has been fully restored to race worthy condition since its arrival in the UK and has had a couple of competitive outings. The Australian history was covered in some depth earlier in the thread.

I'm keen to know if any light can be shown on the existence of GP4 (as opposed to F2/3).



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Posted 09 February 2016 - 00:00

That is great to hear..I did supply the new owner with several photos of it racing in WA. As i don't know the different models what is GP4?

We did have another one racing here in Western Australia but it wasn't running it's original engine it was powered by an Australian Holden engine. This car i believe is in a private collection in the UK. It left Australia about 50 years ago.



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#520 Dutchy

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 11:59

Ken, have a trawl through the thread - it is fascinating and your questions will be answered.