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#2001 Rob Ryder

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 08:45

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#2002 arttidesco

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 10:26

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Thanks RR :-)

So that some one else might find this easier lets I'll put down a marker here and say it's the Mini Moke hauling a Lotus 47 at Silverstone in 1968 :-)

Anyone else get the feeling that The Autosport Bulletin is like an anarchic version of wikipedia ? :-)

#2003 arttidesco

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 03:21

A couple more transports of delight from RJC, first up another Citroen CX cut and shut with a 3 axle low loader.

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Citroen CX, Hauler, Silverstone 6 hours, 06 05 79, with owners permission.

Makes one wonder how the front half of the low loader got trashed, and how on earth the already underpowered CX managed to pull all the extra unladen weight about ?

Next up the Toleman Ford 4322 Transporter at the British GP 1981.

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Ford 4432, British GP, 17 07 81, with owners permission.


Finally after winning tickets to Talladega last year RJC went up to Charlottesville Virginia to visit Rowdy.com who provided the tickets, and he was loaned the Rowdy Tahoe for a quick visit to Richmond where the the concession stands were being set up for the next race on the schedule.


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Freightliner, Richmond, 29/04/09, with owners permission.

These last two are not strictly racing transporters rather they are the concession stand haulers, considerably bigger than the hovel I live in, they are what Alex Ferguson might call 'typically American', big, shiny, diesel guzzlers I love them :-)


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Kenworth, Richmond, 29/04/09, with owners permission.

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#2004 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 04:58

[quote name='arttidesco' date='May 14 2010, 04:21' post='4343648']
A couple more transports of delight from RJC, first up another Citroen CX cut and shut with a 3 axle low loader.

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Citroen CX, Hauler, Silverstone 6 hours, 06 05 79, with owners permission.

Makes one wonder how the front half of the low loader got trashed, and how on earth the already underpowered CX managed to pull all the extra unladen weight about ?

I have a photo or two of this also, IIRC it was used to transport a Porsche .











#2005 arttidesco

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 08:16

EF post your pics :-)

I wonder if the poor beast ever got out of 2nd gear with the Porsche on the back ?

How did it ever manage to alight a ferry, driving a 1990 Passat on to a ferry can be a pretty dodgy operation with that kind of overhang the CX must have come pretty close to being snapped in half on the RORO loading ramp.

Also curious what kind of brakes were acting on the rear three axles I was under the impression most HGV's are fitted with an air compressor to operate with air brakes.

Also many HGV low loaders use air suspension which would hardly be compatible with the CX's hydraulic system.

Finally I wonder what the tyre wear on the rear axles must have been like since presumably it was not fitted with rear wheel steering either ?

Can any one enlighten us on these 'minor' technicalities ?

I was surprised to find the CX was originally designed for a rotary engine, by the time Citroen realised it was going to be hideously thirsty they found the biggest engine they could fit in the engine bay was a 2.2 litre four pot.

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#2006 garyfrogeye

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 08:30

I found this on Flickr
http://www.google.co...TLtaGsgaU45CZBQ

#2007 arttidesco

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 09:55

Citroens are obviously the cut and shut vehicle of choice when you prang your low loader :-)



#2008 Stephen W

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 10:39

Citroens are obviously the cut and shut vehicle of choice when you prang your low loader :-)


Well with the Traction Avant there is precious little behind the passenger cabin that can't be got rid of!

#2009 arttidesco

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 00:49

Well with the Traction Avant there is precious little behind the passenger cabin that can't be got rid of!


So if there is little that can't be got rid of what is there left that can handle being anchored to the additional weight of half a 3 axle low loader and intended pride and joy ?

Neither the CX or DS had any ambient chassis rails to speak of :-)

#2010 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 06:41

So if there is little that can't be got rid of what is there left that can handle being anchored to the additional weight of half a 3 axle low loader and intended pride and joy ?

Neither the CX or DS had any ambient chassis rails to speak of :-)


Tissier in France have speialised in extended chassis DS, BX,CX, SM variants , there was a feature on CITROENMODELCARS.NL on making an extende chassis model , which showed how the real ones are done , I cant locate it on the site , chassis rails are welded into the to form a trailer like structure . On the site you will find lots of photos of the different Tissier variants in existience , Amicale Tissier had there own site , but that would appear to have disappeared .

#2011 arttidesco

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 07:55

[quote name='EDWARD FITZGERALD' date='May 15 2010, 07:41' post='4345086']
Tissier in France have speialised in extended chassis DS, BX,CX, SM variants , there was a feature on CITROENMODELCARS.NL on making an extende chassis model , which showed how the real ones are done


Top find Edward ! I wonder how long before some one sends in a picture of the Tissier CX with the Aluotte II on the back from the 1982 Rallye of Algeria ?

Amazing to see how the rails are blended in with the sills to giving the vehicle some stability, simple once you know how :-)

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#2012 Stephen W

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 08:49

So if there is little that can't be got rid of what is there left that can handle being anchored to the additional weight of half a 3 axle low loader and intended pride and joy ?

Neither the CX or DS had any ambient chassis rails to speak of :-)



Tissier in France have speialised in extended chassis DS, BX,CX, SM variants , there was a feature on CITROENMODELCARS.NL on making an extende chassis model , which showed how the real ones are done , I cant locate it on the site , chassis rails are welded into the to form a trailer like structure . On the site you will find lots of photos of the different Tissier variants in existience , Amicale Tissier had there own site , but that would appear to have disappeared .



Top find Edward ! I wonder how long before some one sends in a picture of the Tissier CX with the Aluotte II on the back from the 1982 Rallye of Algeria ?

Amazing to see how the rails are blended in with the sills to giving the vehicle some stability, simple once you know how :-)


Basically the two parts are slotted together and welded - simples!

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 07:15

Posted Image.....At Sandown 1983 Porsche Australian truck

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#2014 Macca

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 16:32

New model from SMTS:
http://www.grandprix...-1950-1-43.html

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 19:54

Donald Campbell's Bluebird's had their transport entrusted to Adams Bros, New Malden.

Here is CN7 being unloaded from her trailer at Goodwood in July 1960. The tractor unit was a turbocharged Cummins powered Seddon, which also made the trip to Utah in August, traveling overland the 2350 miles from Boston harbour to Bonneville.

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#2016 arttidesco

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 20:08

Unloading CN7 looks a tad precarious how much did she weigh and how did those flimsy wooden beams used as ramps possibly handle all that weight ?


#2017 sheppane

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 20:18

Unloading CN7 looks a tad precarious how much did she weigh and how did those flimsy wooden beams used as ramps possibly handle all that weight ?


I agree. She weighed about 4 tonnes. The props were steel legs placed at quite close intervals and designed to allow a gentle incline. At Lake Eyre they built an earth bank that the trailer could back up to. Sounds safer to me...

#2018 werks prototype

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 20:30

Donald Campbell's Bluebird's had their transport entrusted to Adams Bros, New Malden.

Here is CN7 being unloaded from her trailer at Goodwood in July 1960. The tractor unit was a turbocharged Cummins powered Sedon Atkinson, which also made the trip to Utah in August, traveling overland the 2000 miles from Boston harbour to Bonneville.


I have seen a similar pic of the Irving-Napier Golden Arrow being transported aboard the back of a Horseley-Piggot liveried lorry, though the context is a little different, it is making the victorious return journey from Southampton docks to the KLG's Robin Hood works at Putney Vale.

Doesn't 'KLG's Robin Hood works' sound like a great place.

#2019 retriever

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 20:52

Donald Campbell's Bluebird's had their transport entrusted to Adams Bros, New Malden.

Here is CN7 being unloaded from her trailer at Goodwood in July 1960. The tractor unit was a turbocharged Cummins powered Sedon Atkinson, which also made the trip to Utah in August, traveling overland the 2000 miles from Boston harbour to Bonneville.


Seddon, not Seddon Atkinson

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#2020 sheppane

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 20:58

Seddon, not Seddon Atkinson


I stand corrected.

#2021 retriever

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 21:05

I stand corrected.


No, do not correct yourself, it is an easy thing to do. Fascinating picture, thanks for posting.

#2022 bradbury west

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 08:11

Donald Campbell's Bluebird's had their transport entrusted to Adams Bros, New Malden.

...in July 1960. The tractor unit was a turbocharged Cummins powered Seddon, which also made the trip to Utah in August, traveling overland the 2350 miles from Boston harbour to Bonneville.
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Are you sure? No problem with the old glassfibre Seddon cab, built for lightness vs gtw. Perhaps my memory is playing tricks with dates and engine availability. Source info would be useful
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#2023 sheppane

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 10:13

Are you sure? No problem with the old glassfibre Seddon cab, built for lightness vs gtw. Perhaps my memory is playing tricks with dates and engine availability. Source info would be useful
Roger Lund


Roger

I believe Cummins saw this as a good marketing opportunity, and therefore the tractor unit was somewhat of a special. There are some nice images in the book; Leo Villa's Bluebird Colour Album.

Here are 3 more images of CN7 arriving on the Bonneville salt flats in September 1960.

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#2024 garyfrogeye

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 10:23

Stunning images. Many thanks for posting them.

#2025 arttidesco

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 10:24

Wow! Sunlight streaming straight through the fibre glass roof of the cab I do not suppose the cab had air conditioning either !

Love that Bluebird blue Land Rover wonder if that still exists ?

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 10:46

Wow! Sunlight streaming straight through the fibre glass roof of the cab I do not suppose the cab had air conditioning either !

Love that Bluebird blue Land Rover wonder if that still exists ?


One of the Landrovers that made the trip to Utah and the subsequently to Lake Eyre was used during the final WSR attempt at Coniston in 66 / 67. It became the property of Hadwins of Torver (Lakeland Landrover) after the K7 accident. To the best of my knowledge they still own it and were / are intending to restore it.

Here are a couple of pics of K7's transport, at Goodwood in 1960 and then at Lake Dumbleyung in 1965.

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#2027 arttidesco

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 11:44

Thanks for Bluebird Land Rover update and K7 hauler pics sheppane :-)

#2028 bradbury west

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 23:27

Roger
I believe Cummins saw this as a good marketing opportunity, and therefore the tractor unit was somewhat of a special.


Many thanks for the clarification. I was surprised to think that a turbo Cummins was a mainstream option at that time for the normal GVW and GTW weights.
Roger Lund

#2029 Rob Ryder

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 19:42

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#2030 werks prototype

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 19:57

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What is going on here?

#2031 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 20:09

Thanks to Rob , To me it looks like Bluebird being transported , and it is in Oz. What year ? Wanted to show it , now we have seen some others..........

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#2032 werks prototype

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 20:10

Thanks to Rob , To me it looks like Bluebird being transported , and it is in Oz. What year ?


Aha! Australia.

#2033 sheppane

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 20:19

What is going on here?


The picture shows CN7 at Muloorina station in 1963. This was the base for the Lake Eyre attempt in 63 / 64
The car is on a transporter made by Elliot Price, the sheep stations owner, pulled by the Blitz tractor unit and an Army tow truck. This combination was used to transport CN7 from sheep station base to the causeway and then out on the lake. The journey was some 30 miles across rough bush and sandy desert. At the Lake, CN7 would be pushed off the trailer down an earth ramp onto the lake surface. The trailer is still at the sheep station today. CN7 was stored on the Lake during the attempt in a tank shelter, but was removed at the end of the 63 attempt, when it was washed out, and moved back to Muloorina, and then transported back to Adelaide by rail from Maree on a trailer towed by a Commer truck. She was stored there until the spring of 64 for the successful attempt in July of that year.



#2034 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 21:11

Thanks Sheppane.

#2035 bradbury west

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 21:46

Thanks, Bjorn
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#2036 werks prototype

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Posted 23 May 2010 - 22:07

I have never seen such a unique selection of photos of CN7 or K7 as I have seen here over the past two weeks. Simply incredible :up:

#2037 oldclassiccar

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 13:24

Hi all,

Amongst some photos & negatives that I bought recently, were these three. Can anyone help with info on the trucks or cars shown???

thanks, Rick :)

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#2038 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 21:45

Thanks Rick!

The BRP transporter , a Bedford SB Duple , they had from 1961 till 1964/5 . It was seen burned out in 1966 under the J.A.Pearce Eng. benner

Third pic. is unknown to me other than it must be a Cooper FJ in 1961.

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 21:58

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Hi all,

Amongst some photos & negatives that I bought recently, were these three. Can anyone help with info on the trucks or cars shown???

The Lotus 19 with the amazing bubble screen in the top two pics featured a canopy as well and can be seen on an earlier thread here.

http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=1618946

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 01:43

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I remember seeing the Bluebird on display at the Adelaide Showgrounds back in 1964. I went on a school excursion to an exhibition of some kind that was happening then . There was an Industrial and Engineering Exhibition in SA that year so the Bluebird being part of it seems to fit in with the event. Unfortunately I wasn't much of a truck spotter at the time . I was 7 y.o. but do remember it on the back of a trailer in front of Centennial Hall and lots of people milling about having a look. (The Beatles also played there that year in June) Also recall that it commenced a road trip to the north not long afterward and passed our home in the Barossa Valley.


#2041 Stephen W

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 08:29

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UDT-Laystall Team Lotus 19s - it looks like a Crystal Palace meeting.

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#2042 Rob Ryder

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 18:21

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#2043 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 28 May 2010 - 19:22

Thanks to Rob.

The picture is from one of Michel Bollee's great books on sports/GT/prototype racing , this the Reims 12 hours 1963-67 .

The picture shows the Equipe National Belge transporter , an MAN 415 , but my question is to the one on the left :

Can anyone recognize this John Willment transporter ?

#2044 oldclassiccar

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 12:23

The resto of my old truck is continuing at VHC Engineering in Staffs. Are there any other original t/porters out there under restoration, and due to hit the road soon?

Rick

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PS thanks for the info on the Lotus 19 in the b/w photo :)

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 12:53

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Austin 750 Race transporter/trailer and Austin 7 Twin Cam.

And if you were wondering what the back of the trailer looked like:

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Shelsley Walsh 1938 according to the caption.

#2046 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 20:17

Thanks V , very interesting picture.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 16:41

Do you know ? I don't ! Where do the teams park their team transporters during the Monaco GP (2010) ???????

#2048 werks prototype

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 23:30

And if you were wondering what the back of the trailer looked like:

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© LAT via Austin Harris

Shelsley Walsh 1938 according to the caption.


Ah! great stuff :up: We are seeing the lorry there from yet another angle as well.

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#2049 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 06:45

On the WALLY WILLMOTT thread post 43 can be seen the Austin(?) which Cooper used for a decade from 1954. Any of you have a front view of it ?

Edited by Bjørn Kjer, 08 June 2010 - 06:45.


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Posted 08 June 2010 - 11:56

Do you know ? I don't ! Where do the teams park their team transporters during the Monaco GP (2010) ???????


In a big car park up near the motorway.