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#2801 arttidesco

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 14:47

I think the Austin K8 may be instantly recognisable to most TNF regulars.


That it is even an Austin was a surprise to me, am I too young for this forum perhaps ?

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#2802 nicanary

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 14:53

That it is even an Austin was a surprise to me, am I too young for this forum perhaps ?


Unless I'm very much mistaken, as Murray would say, that's the Eric Oliver/Denis Jenkinson Austin K8 transporter.


#2803 arttidesco

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 14:58

Unless I'm very much mistaken, as Murray would say, that's the Eric Oliver/Denis Jenkinson Austin K8 transporter.


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#2804 nicanary

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 15:35

:up:


I meant to add - can you imagine driving across Europe's war-ravaged roads in that thing, hour after hour at 30mph (if you were lucky)? I was never fortunate enough to know Jenks , unlike some on this forum, but I think I've understood enough about his character to know that he wouldn't have given a hoot about the mode of transport. He was just doing what he loved, and considered himself lucky. Not a man for material possessions or unnecessary creature comforts, that sort of thing.


#2805 Jager

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 14:29

The link below has a picture of a Ferrari transporter loaded up with 365 GTB's entering Le Mans in 1972. Even though it was posted in 2008 I've not seen it posted here (or elsewhere) before.

http://www.rardleymo...ujqdvXprZ.shtml

#2806 Flaminiasupersport

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:49

Just a little question about the Fiat Bartoletti used by Ferrari/Maserati as a transporter... Why is it "open"?

Lancia had a closed Fiat Bartoletti to transport the D50's,D24's etc but Ferrari and Maserati both used an open version.

How did Ferrari protect their open race cars (Ferrari 500, D50 etc) when they were on the truck?

I have the CMC Ferrari transporter in 1/18th scale, but when there's a on old open race car on it, it just looks not right! Did they use a tarpaulin or so to protect the cars? I can't imagine a Ferrari 156 without some sort of protection against the rain...



#2807 bradbury west

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 13:31

....driving across Europe's war-ravaged roads in that thing, hour after hour at 30mph (if you were lucky)?


Checking an old vehicle directory, the top speed is suggested as more like 85km per hour, which seems reasonable, albeit probably when empty. perhaps more interweb trawling might clarify this.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 13:51

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#2809 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 20:32

Ferrari used closed transporters untill the end of 1956. Maserati till the end of 1957 . The open auto transporters was widely spread in Italy for years , so it was only natural to go the same way , being easier to load and easy place for 3 cars plus they were cheaper than a closed one.

Weather was more forseeable (read better) in those days , but be sure that when rain or otherwise bad weather turned up , they did use tarpaulin/canvas , sports or furmula cars. And when cars were unloaded in hot weather they also often were covered against the sun/heat.

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#2810 D-Type

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 22:57

Is this budget model even vaguely accurate? If it is then it's good value.

#2811 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:35

It looks to be a good model and quite correct !

#2812 D-Type

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 14:51

Thanks Bjorn. I was wary because, a we all know, some cheaper models are not correct - and some expensive ones as well.

#2813 rhegra

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 13:15

A lot of pictures of the RofGo transporters Restauration http://www.whfltd.co...tml#prettyPhoto at the gallery

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:53

I just finished this......
As you can see in the photo there is a OMEN figure of Senna plus a Tameo Lotus 99t ....plus a UH Ranault Space sponsored by Camel Team Lotus Honda????!!!!!
The Renault carries the Camel Honda Lotus logos in the front and rear
A strange and curious thing that Team Lotus Honda used a Renault as a support vehice.Honda did not have such vehicle concept at that day and at Team Lotus they kept some Renault support vehicles
Anyway I checked its plate "D403CLR" and was first registered in the summer of 1986 (JPS Lotus Renault days)
So I wonder if it was previously painted in JPS black.....does anyone has more info???'
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#2815 nicanary

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 14:56

Just for Bjorn Kjer - the latest issue of Motor Sport (April 2013 !?) on page 104. A nice photo selection from the past. Probably all often-seen pics, but nice to see them anyway.

#2816 D-Type

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 21:40

Just for Bjorn Kjer - the latest issue of Motor Sport (April 2013 !?) on page 104. A nice photo selection from the past. Probably all often-seen pics, but nice to see them anyway.


These are more pictures from Inside the Paddock by David Cross - and Bjorn Kjer.

Let's hope the feature leads to more sales.

#2817 nicanary

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:36

These are more pictures from Inside the Paddock by David Cross - and Bjorn Kjer.

Let's hope the feature leads to more sales.


I can't believe what I did there - that's what comes of browsing a magazine and jumping to conclusions. I simply saw the photo feature and assumed the pics were from the LAT archive. Doh !


#2818 kento11

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 18:35

Probably not the first picture of the classic transporter, in its native habitat, Charterhall 1963 with Tojeiro Buick.

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#2819 Jean L

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:52

1964 or 1963 ?

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#2820 kento11

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 13:21

1963 You are so right!!
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#2821 arttidesco

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 13:23

A couple of D Types on top of the Ecosse Transporter in wet weather mode.

#2822 Jagjon

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 14:26

A couple of D Types on top of the Ecosse Transporter in wet weather mode.

The 2nd D type no 32 appears to have a hump alongside the head faring & behind the passenger seat where the boot lid cover would be, what was this...a larger fuel cell? I don't recall seeing this in other photos.

#2823 kento11

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 02:38

1964 or 1963 ?

you are right 1963, I get confused easily, not the "Rest"

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#2824 D-Type

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 18:05

The 2nd D type no 32 appears to have a hump alongside the head faring & behind the passenger seat where the boot lid cover would be, what was this...a larger fuel cell? I don't recall seeing this in other photos.

The hump was to accommodate the 1960 [I think] version of the 'FIA suitcase'

#2825 kento11

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 21:44

A couple of D Types on top of the Ecosse Transporter in wet weather mode.

wow aarons album is something, are you Aaron, if so did you take the pictures. Love Eddie the eagle (eye). Surely that extra hump on the D type was for transporting, never seen it before and the normal d-type would have the suitcase space behind the seats.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 21:55

wow aarons album is something, are you Aaron, if so did you take the pictures. Love Eddie the eagle (eye). Surely that extra hump on the D type was for transporting, never seen it before and the normal d-type would have the suitcase space behind the seats.

When the Appendix C to the International Sporting Code was amended in 1960 it introduced a minimum luggage capacity for sports cars. Ecurie Ecosse wanted to run a D Type at Le Mans in 1960 so the car had to comply with the new regulations. Most of the tail of the D Type was occupied by the spare wheel and the petrol tank. The only way they could make the car comply and maintain rearward visibility was by adding the 'hump' on the tail.

Check it out if you don't believe me.

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#2827 kento11

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 22:31

When the Appendix C to the International Sporting Code was amended in 1960 it introduced a minimum luggage capacity for sports cars. Ecurie Ecosse wanted to run a D Type at Le Mans in 1960 so the car had to comply with the new regulations. Most of the tail of the D Type was occupied by the spare wheel and the petrol tank. The only way they could make the car comply and maintain rearward visibility was by adding the 'hump' on the tail.

Check it out if you don't believe me.

I believe you.. most members of this blog know more then me. did they actually race this car? I did have Davis Murry's (autographed) book which I sold on ebay for an obscene amount and don't remember any reference to it. I have included here a picture of a D-type that I found following a Bugatti rally in Greenport Long Island a few years ago.

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#2828 D-Type

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 23:33

The car pictured is a 'standard' short nose D-Type. It has the full width windscreen required by the 1956 Le Mans regulations and adopted for the 1957 international regulations. By 1960 the regulations included a minimum windscreen height, the infamous"deep screen" rule as well as the minimum luggage space. Compare the cars in the 1960 championship races with those from earlier years and you'll see the difference. This is all described in Graham Gauld's Ecurie Ecosse history which covers 1960 on pp 67 to 75. The D-Type that Ecosse ran at Riverside, Watkins Glen and Laguna Seca in 1960 had the high screen. And it looks horrible! So naturally any restorations will be in the earlier guise.

The FIA regulations were rigidly applied to the international races that made up the World Sports Car Championship but were not always applied as strictly at lower levels. Witness the fuss that surrounded Roger Penske's central seat 'Zerex Special' Cooper in 1962

#2829 arttidesco

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 20:56

wow aarons album is something, are you Aaron, if so did you take the pictures. Love Eddie the eagle (eye). Surely that extra hump on the D type was for transporting, never seen it before and the normal d-type would have the suitcase space behind the seats.


No I'm not Aaron and nor did I take the pics ):

#2830 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 22:15

Aaron is historic racer Aaron Lewis, who posts here as 'xj13v12'.

#2831 kento11

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 22:42

The car pictured is a 'standard' short nose D-Type. It has the full width windscreen required by the 1956 Le Mans regulations and adopted for the 1957 international regulations. By 1960 the regulations included a minimum windscreen height, the infamous"deep screen" rule as well as the minimum luggage space. Compare the cars in the 1960 championship races with those from earlier years and you'll see the difference. This is all described in Graham Gauld's Ecurie Ecosse history which covers 1960 on pp 67 to 75. The D-Type that Ecosse ran at Riverside, Watkins Glen and Laguna Seca in 1960 had the high screen. And it looks horrible! So naturally any restorations will be in the earlier guise.

The FIA regulations were rigidly applied to the international races that made up the World Sports Car Championship but were not always applied as strictly at lower levels. Witness the fuss that surrounded Roger Penske's central seat 'Zerex Special' Cooper in 1962

Duncan, this is a picture of my friend Duncan at Charterhall 1963, where I got David Murray to autograph my book

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:23

Does anyone have a pic of the Jack Brabham bus that was converted to a race transporter form the late 50's. i believe it had BP sponsorship. Probably an Austin bus. Used in Australia I believe. I hear a story about it on the weekend.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 14:13

Found this photo while searching around:

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#2834 layabout

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 16:47

Here's an interesting photo of the Gemini Formula Junior team on their way to Goodwood in 1963 with team leader George Henrotte in the foreground.

I think Formula Juniors were @ 910 lbs & a double deck tandem axle trailer would be at least 1600 lbs., which means the whole assembly is @3420 lbs. I think Minis weighed @1600 lbs. Must have made for some interesting towing...

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 09:14

Bjorn, how about this one:

http://www.geheugenv.../it...ANP01" )/

Zandvoort 68: just one driver and they won. And somehow they must have managed to get the transporter out for the next race...

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:20

Here's an interesting photo of the Gemini Formula Junior team on their way to Goodwood in 1963 with team leader George Henrotte in the foreground.

I think Formula Juniors were @ 910 lbs & a double deck tandem axle trailer would be at least 1600 lbs., which means the whole assembly is @3420 lbs. I think Minis weighed @1600 lbs. Must have made for some interesting towing...


Looks to me like someone was having a little fun in this picture....looks a little too contrived :)

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 21:12

Apologies if this has been seen before--but it seems more than a little precarious!

http://www.cruisings...Palace-1953.jpg

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 22:45

Here's an interesting photo of the Gemini Formula Junior team on their way to Goodwood in 1963 with team leader George Henrotte in the foreground.

I think Formula Juniors were @ 910 lbs & a double deck tandem axle trailer would be at least 1600 lbs., which means the whole assembly is @3420 lbs. I think Minis weighed @1600 lbs. Must have made for some interesting towing...

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I had a Mini Van back in the 70's . I recall the nominated kerb weight on the Registration renewal each year as listed at 610 kg. Thats 1344lbs in the old money.

I never had any desire to fit a tow bar but I did get about 115 mph out of it once! (by tacho reading)

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:26

Great picture DJ Fox.
What about the increased roll center of the Land Rover with that Cooper on top .it would have been a slow trip to the Palace .Getting it off and on would have been easy!!!!!

http://www.cruisings...Palace-1953.jpg



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#2840 Jagjon

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:15

Looks to me like someone was having a little fun in this picture....looks a little too contrived :)

The Cooper on the Land Rover Roof.
This was interesting to see as I have occasionally remembered it & wondered if anyone had ever seen it or photographed it.
So do you know who the car belonged to? I ask because I think this may have been the outfit I saw at a Rhydymwyn Sprint in around 1952.
I remember watching them load it & I too thought it looked precarious! I have a feeling the guy just drove it up, which is what made a crowd watch waiting for him to overshoot!
The first race meeting event I was taken to as a small boy.
I think I may still have the program, so I could check names against the entry as there would have only been a few Coopers, perhaps only one.
I also I never saw this set up again & the only photo of such I have seen.

#2841 Jagjon

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:39

The Cooper on the Land Rover Roof.
This was interesting to see as I have occasionally remembered it & wondered if anyone had ever seen it or photographed it.
So do you know who the car belonged to? I ask because I think this may have been the outfit I saw at a Rhydymwyn Sprint in around 1952.
I remember watching them load it & I too thought it looked precarious! I have a feeling the guy just drove it up, which is what made a crowd watch waiting for him to overshoot!
The first race meeting event I was taken to as a small boy.
I think I may still have the program, so I could check names against the entry as there would have only been a few Coopers, perhaps only one.
I also I never saw this set up again & the only photo of such I have seen.

I'll have to find the program now as my registrations book places the Land Rover as a 1955 reg date issued in Maidstone Kent.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:47

I'll have to find the program now as my registrations book places the Land Rover as a 1955 reg date issued in Maidstone Kent.


car driver Stuart Lewis Evans

#2843 Jagjon

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:00

car driver Stuart Lewis Evans

Thanks, I'll really have to look for the program now just to check if it was he at the meeting I went to. I realised that racing continued at Crystal Palace after 1953, but I don't know when the sprints were held at Rhydymwyn probably Wirral 100 club or a Lancs/Cheshire.
I must have got mixed up on the years unless there was more than one transporter like that!

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:21

When it was advertised on e bay recently it was listed as Stuart Lewis Evans and Tony Harris unloading Cooper Mk VIIA F3 car at Crystal Palace 1953. Perhaps someone can check the entry number in Richard Page's excellent history of racing at the Palace.
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#2845 HiRich

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 13:40

It's at the Palace, 21st May 1956. The car is the Beart Cooper Mk X.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:16

The Cummins Diesel Special at the 1952 Indy 500:

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#2847 layabout

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 18:39

Looks to me like someone was having a little fun in this picture....looks a little too contrived :)


Rest assured the photo is genuine & the transporter was used as it appears in the photo. If you still doubt it, I suggest you contact some of the ex-Gemini team personnel.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 20:46

Do you refer to this?
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 20:49

Terry Sanger Racing


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Published as part of a page in Autopsort.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 00:39

Rest assured the photo is genuine & the transporter was used as it appears in the photo. If you still doubt it, I suggest you contact some of the ex-Gemini team personnel.


Hmmmm....OK, I thought the raised pinky and the cuppa was a dead give-away to some hijinks...

IMHO the driver deserves a bravery award...front wheel drive and 10 inch wheels (probably with dodgy cross-plies) does not make for the ideal tow-master! :confused: