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#1 Barry Boor

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Posted 02 December 2003 - 23:38

Searching around for pictures of the 1962 Gilby BRM in order to make a slot car shell for my Halfton Series, I happened upon the LAT Photographic site which purports to have 4 Gilby pictures.

One is of a Brooklands race that includes a driver named Gilby, while the other 3 claim to be pictures of Gilby cars.

One is the beautiful picture of Keith Greene at the 'Ring, which appeared in Motor Sport recently. The other 2 are almost identical and are shown as Ian Raby, Gilby BRM #26, British G.P. 1963.

This is one of the 2 (courtesy of LAT Photographic)

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Clearly, it IS Silverstone, but it looks like a Lotus 21 to me - so, who and when ????

Does anyone have any other Gilby pictures, please?

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#2 Rob Ryder

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 02:49

Barry
No 26, Silverstone... could it be Brian Gubby at the 1965 British GP in a Lotus 24?
Gilby.. Gubby.. Typo :
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#3 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 03:13

Did Gubby run an FPF CLimax?

That doesn't look like it's got a V8 at all...

#4 conjohn

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 06:29

Sheldon has him running a Climax FWMV V8.

#5 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 06:57

Originally posted by conjohn
Sheldon has him running a Climax FWMV V8.


Well, that pic looks very much like it's a 4-cylinder with a big exhaust on the right hand side... and no sign of any inlet trumpets on the top... not that you'd see them, perhaps, but the engine cover of the V8-powered Lotuses did rise up at each side behind the drivers' shoulders.

#6 Racer.Demon

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 08:44

Apologies for the poor reproduction, Barry, but nonetheless this is Ian Raby at the International Trophy:

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#7 Cirrus

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 09:38

Regarding the picture at the top. It just doesn't look Lotus to me. The radiator opening is the wrong shape (not elliptical enough), and the bodywork appears to sweep up ahead of the windscreen.

When I first looked at the nose I thought "Kincraft", but the well-filled grandstands would suggest that this was a major meeting, rather than a clubbie.

#8 Rob29

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 09:38

How about Philip Robinson Lotus 18/21 #904 Climax 4 at International Trophy 11 May 1963?

#9 Cirrus

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 09:40

It certainly looks bulky enough to be a rebodied 18.

#10 RJH

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 13:39

Intercontinental Vanwall at Silverstone 1961 perhaps?

#11 D-Type

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 14:34

Originally posted by RJH
Intercontinental Vanwall at Silverstone 1961 perhaps?

I don't think so. It's got a badge on the nose just above the radiator opening. I don't think Vanwall ever had a badge they relied on the signwriting. A coiple of years back, when someone produced a series of automobilia (can't remember if it was scarfs, ashtrays, coffee mugs, or what) they had to invent a Vanwall badge. And the rear-engined Vanwall was more of a whale!

#12 Doug Nye

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 14:37

Originally posted by Rob29
How about Philip Robinson Lotus 18/21 #904 Climax 4 at International Trophy 11 May 1963?


Rob's absolutely right I believe - definitely NOT a V8, the radiator inlet shape is precisely right for a standard Lotus 18/21 conversion and most decidedly it is NOT the Vanwall 'Whale' - here's to you Mr Robinson...the Gilby???? :stoned:

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#13 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 14:45

And you can actually see the format of the rear suspension with its driveshaft cum top links...

#14 David McKinney

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 16:06

Driver looks the right size for Phil Robinson, too

#15 Roger Clark

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 19:52

Originally posted by Ray Bell
And you can actually see the format of the rear suspension with its driveshaft cum top links...


Most 18/21s had top links to relieve the drive shafts from this burden. I think this one does too.

#16 David Beard

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 20:02

This is my programme from the 1963 British GP. Ian Raby is indeed down as no. 26 in the Gilby, and I'm sure I can remember it. Barry's first pic must be another event, and sure looks like a 21 to me.
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#17 David Beard

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 20:12

But as a matter of interest, what did Tony Settember's Emeryson look like, that was no. 26 in the International Trophy at Silverstone in 1962?

#18 Geoff E

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 20:28

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#19 David Beard

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 20:41

Originally posted by Geoff E
Is this relevant?


Well that's certainly nowt like a Lotus 21......

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#20 David McKinney

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 21:50

Although Rob29 didn't actually say so, #26 in the 1963 International Trophy was indeed Philip Robinson in his Lotus 18/21

#21 Doug Nye

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:02

Let's stop faffin' about with dopey alternative suggestions - it's the 1963 International Trophy, Robinson, Lotus 18/21.

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#22 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:21

Originally posted by Roger Clark
Most 18/21s had top links to relieve the drive shafts from this burden. I think this one does too.


Are you sure?

It's pretty hard to tell... but I think you can see the anti-roll bar clearly enough... if there's a top link it's hidden by the trailing arm.

Certainly, the extremely low position of the bottom wishbone is as per the 18s...

#23 David Beard

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:21

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Let's stop faffin' about with dopey alternative suggestions - it's the 1963 International Trophy, Robinson, Lotus 18/21.

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:blush:
I only wanted to know what the Emeryson looked like :cry:

And I was just building up to posting my irrelevant collection of Brian Gubby photos, too. :(

#24 Doug Nye

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:25

Nay lad - don't take on so - I wasn't tekkin' a pop at thee...

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#25 David Beard

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:31

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Nay lad - don't take on so - I wasn't tekkin' a pop at thee...

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eee Doug...th'could fit in well at tut northern TNF do...

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#26 Barry Boor

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:44

Well, thank you all for the input.

I was always certain that it was a Lotus 21 (or rebodied 18) but not having access to programmes or Sheldon, I could not pinpoint year or driver.

Rob - thank you for the Gilby pictures. All I need now is a rear view (of the Gilby!!!)

BTW, everyone, Mr. Beard may live in the depths of darkest Lancashire but his roots are somewhat further south!

I guess my slot-car Gilby may be the only one in existence (when I finally make it!)

#27 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 04 December 2003 - 09:06

This is Keith Greene during the 1962 German GP in the Gilby . (Not a rear view though...)

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#28 Doug Nye

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Posted 06 December 2003 - 10:22

Originally posted by Barry Boor
...All I need now is a rear view ....


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#29 Barry Boor

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Posted 06 December 2003 - 18:55

The light splashing sounds you hear are my cup 'runnething' over.

Doug - many many thanks. What would we do without you????

#30 D-Type

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Posted 06 December 2003 - 19:48

Was the Gilby-BRM a rebuild of The Gilby-Climax or was it a completely new car? The "shark" nose in the pictures of both cars looks very similar.

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Posted 07 December 2003 - 05:02

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug Nye

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????? Do you think the lap scores ever missed what number is was each time it passed :rotfl:
I don't think sooooooooo.

#32 Roger Clark

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Posted 07 December 2003 - 08:24

Originally posted by D-Type
Was the Gilby-BRM a rebuild of The Gilby-Climax or was it a completely new car? The "shark" nose in the pictures of both cars looks very similar.


It was a new car, although of similar design.

#33 Barry Boor

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Posted 10 January 2004 - 09:36

Well, it took a long time and a LOT of head scratching (Piers Courage fans take note!) but I have finally completed my humble slot-race Gilby B.R.M.

Due to its funny nose and unusual change of curvature around the cockpit area, this proved to be one of the more difficult cars I have yet built - still, it's only for me so it doesn't really matter....

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Thanks to everyone who helped make the construction of this car possible. :up:

P.S. .....it looks better in the plastic - so to speak.

#34 Barry Boor

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Posted 10 January 2004 - 09:38

Now for the Emeryson.......

#35 Doug Nye

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Posted 10 January 2004 - 14:42

Nice to see how much attention you've paid to the reference photos where the race number's concerned, Barry... :cat:

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#36 D-Type

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Posted 10 January 2004 - 21:11

Originally posted by Barry Boor
- still, it's only for me so it doesn't really matter....

Barry,
If it looks right it is right! :up:

Good luck with the Emeryson/ENB/Scirocco

#37 gilby

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Posted 09 March 2004 - 17:06

another slot project...the GILBY "SPECIAL", keith GREENE toy in 1960 also driven to victory by Peter ARUNDELL( july 1960 archie scoot brown trophy in snetterton). The GILBY 2 seater is wth me
since 1976 and in good racing health; i think that ian BAX own the climax formula 1 , he found her in the 80's while sand racing on jersey or somewhere. have a look at the gilby 2 seater:
www.ifrance.com/gilby/cadre1.htm

#38 xkssFrankOpalka

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Posted 04 April 2004 - 03:45

My 21 had a rocker style top A arm with inboard shocks, it dosent seem to show on the top photo.

#39 David McKinney

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Posted 04 April 2004 - 06:01

You had a Lotus 21, Frank?
Don't suppose you remember which one?

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#40 xkssFrankOpalka

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Posted 04 April 2004 - 07:46

Dave, I dont know the chassis #, it was found in a field equipped for mud racing, it had a Corvair transaxle fitted with an adapter plate to take a SB Chev. Most of the panels and tanks were there. but no engine or drive train. Had chrome rocker frt suspension with inboard shocks. I never found an engine and sold it later.