"Circuit de Reims-Gueux" also Circuit de la Marne was racing from 1926 to 1969
BUT
in 1925 the race was on "circuit de Beine-Nauroy" near Reims
2 august 1925 - Grand Prix de la Marne - Reims
10 laps x 22.000 km = 220.00 km
Gueux is on the West site of Reims
Beine is on the East site of Reims
more info ?
Circuit de Reims (1925)
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Boniver
, Dec 08 2003 18:42
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Carlo
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Posted 09 December 2003 - 16:04
Hi,
the 2nd of August 1925 the GP de la Marne was held at the circuit de Beine.
22 kilometers long, the track was the connection between Beine and Nauroy. They "borrowed" the "Route Nationale 31" for that.
Despite heavy rain more than 8000 spectators were at the track.
The race was won by Clause on Bignan 2L Sp with an average speed of 102,34 km/h.
The best lap was (and I think is still
) by Lestienne and Ivanowski on BNC, average speed 104,20 km/h.
On the same day they also held bike and side-cars races on the track.
The 02.08.1925 was organized by the Moto Club de la Marne and by L'Automobile club des Ardennes
On 01.11.1925 the L'Automobile Club de la Champagne was founded and they decided to organize the 2nd GP de la Marne on the track of Gueux.
Source:"Les Heures Glorieuses Du Circuit de Reims" by Dameron, Pernet and Hubert.
Ciao Carlo
the 2nd of August 1925 the GP de la Marne was held at the circuit de Beine.
22 kilometers long, the track was the connection between Beine and Nauroy. They "borrowed" the "Route Nationale 31" for that.
Despite heavy rain more than 8000 spectators were at the track.
The race was won by Clause on Bignan 2L Sp with an average speed of 102,34 km/h.
The best lap was (and I think is still
) by Lestienne and Ivanowski on BNC, average speed 104,20 km/h.On the same day they also held bike and side-cars races on the track.
The 02.08.1925 was organized by the Moto Club de la Marne and by L'Automobile club des Ardennes
On 01.11.1925 the L'Automobile Club de la Champagne was founded and they decided to organize the 2nd GP de la Marne on the track of Gueux.
Source:"Les Heures Glorieuses Du Circuit de Reims" by Dameron, Pernet and Hubert.
Ciao Carlo
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humphries
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Posted 10 December 2003 - 12:43
Bonivar
As Carlo says there is information about the 1st GP de Marne in the book by Dameron, Pernet and Hubert. These guys are local historians. They have written similar books about the tramcars of Reims and about the economy of the Champagne region. Their knowledge of motor racing was obviously limited and there are numerous mistakes in the book.
For instance there is a photo of Jimmy Clark, in his Lotus 25 peering back at the engine, and the caption states Bruce McLaren as the driver. But it is a great photo as it shows Jim with plasters stuck over and under his nose as protection against stones. Likewise there is a photo of Maurice Trintignant in the pits, standing on one of the rear wheels of his Ferrari, arms folded. A considerable feat of balancing, but the photo was not taken at Reims! We are informed that Peter Whitehouse and Kay Frazer lost their lives at Reims in 1957.
However the book, a real hotch-potch, is a worthy addition to the shelves. Where else could you see almost totally incomprehensible road map diagrams showing how to get to the Reims-Gueux circuit, how to get away from it and how to avoid it altogether. It is nice to see a photograph of the women telephonists in the control centre and photos of Toto Roche, in charge but somewhat oblivious of what was going on.
Some of the photographs have no captions. There is one of the drivers' briefing on the grid before the 1949 Coupe des Petites Cylindrees. You are able to recognise Fangio, Sommer, Ascari, the tall, sauve John Heath and Stirling Moss still with his bramble-bush haircut, but is that Dudley Folland, helmet (! ) in hand, looking very dapper with the prominent BRDC badge on his driving suit like Moss and Heath?
There is a photo of Madame Derancourt, a Bugatti driver in the 1929 GP being presented with a bouquet of flowers after the race for.......well, for being Madame Derancourt.
There is also a photo of Claude Storez lining up for his time trial on the circuit during the Rallye des Routes du Nord, blissfully unaware what fate had in store for him. His white Porsche has curious low profile fins on the back. Then there is also a photo in a local newspaper of the Porsche in a ditch and in the foreground the 200m board for the approach of Thillois corner, broken in half by the Porsche as it careered off the road.
If you have the more recent Reims, Vitesse, Champagne et Passion then that book and this one complement each other quite nicely. The publishers of the older book are Editions de l'Atelier Graphique, 36, Rue de Solferino, 51100 Reims. Mine is 208 and 1000 were published. It is soft bound and was reasonably cheap; cannot remember the price.
Back to the 1925 Reims race and, if you have one, a detailed Michelin Road Atlas of France. The pits and scoreboard, and a grandstand opposite, were erected on the Route 35 main road (Reims to Suippes), which is now the RD31, a few hundred metres from the crossroads with the now D34, going towards Reims. The cars raced along this main road for about 7km and then at La Bertonneirie turned right, a hairpin of about 120 degrees and up the D33 to Beine-Nauroy. The circuit curved to the right through this little town and then down the D64 to Nauroy. Here the circuit turned left, followed by two right-hand corners and then another left in the space of a few hundred metres. This must have been the best place to watch. The road then went straight down the D34 to the main road crossroads where with a right turn you would be back to the startline and temporary pit area. A lap of approximately 22 km. Must drive it one day.
I have driven round the defunct Gueux circuit many times over the years, but how I wish I had actually seen a race there.
John
As Carlo says there is information about the 1st GP de Marne in the book by Dameron, Pernet and Hubert. These guys are local historians. They have written similar books about the tramcars of Reims and about the economy of the Champagne region. Their knowledge of motor racing was obviously limited and there are numerous mistakes in the book.
For instance there is a photo of Jimmy Clark, in his Lotus 25 peering back at the engine, and the caption states Bruce McLaren as the driver. But it is a great photo as it shows Jim with plasters stuck over and under his nose as protection against stones. Likewise there is a photo of Maurice Trintignant in the pits, standing on one of the rear wheels of his Ferrari, arms folded. A considerable feat of balancing, but the photo was not taken at Reims! We are informed that Peter Whitehouse and Kay Frazer lost their lives at Reims in 1957.
However the book, a real hotch-potch, is a worthy addition to the shelves. Where else could you see almost totally incomprehensible road map diagrams showing how to get to the Reims-Gueux circuit, how to get away from it and how to avoid it altogether. It is nice to see a photograph of the women telephonists in the control centre and photos of Toto Roche, in charge but somewhat oblivious of what was going on.
Some of the photographs have no captions. There is one of the drivers' briefing on the grid before the 1949 Coupe des Petites Cylindrees. You are able to recognise Fangio, Sommer, Ascari, the tall, sauve John Heath and Stirling Moss still with his bramble-bush haircut, but is that Dudley Folland, helmet (! ) in hand, looking very dapper with the prominent BRDC badge on his driving suit like Moss and Heath?
There is a photo of Madame Derancourt, a Bugatti driver in the 1929 GP being presented with a bouquet of flowers after the race for.......well, for being Madame Derancourt.
There is also a photo of Claude Storez lining up for his time trial on the circuit during the Rallye des Routes du Nord, blissfully unaware what fate had in store for him. His white Porsche has curious low profile fins on the back. Then there is also a photo in a local newspaper of the Porsche in a ditch and in the foreground the 200m board for the approach of Thillois corner, broken in half by the Porsche as it careered off the road.
If you have the more recent Reims, Vitesse, Champagne et Passion then that book and this one complement each other quite nicely. The publishers of the older book are Editions de l'Atelier Graphique, 36, Rue de Solferino, 51100 Reims. Mine is 208 and 1000 were published. It is soft bound and was reasonably cheap; cannot remember the price.
Back to the 1925 Reims race and, if you have one, a detailed Michelin Road Atlas of France. The pits and scoreboard, and a grandstand opposite, were erected on the Route 35 main road (Reims to Suippes), which is now the RD31, a few hundred metres from the crossroads with the now D34, going towards Reims. The cars raced along this main road for about 7km and then at La Bertonneirie turned right, a hairpin of about 120 degrees and up the D33 to Beine-Nauroy. The circuit curved to the right through this little town and then down the D64 to Nauroy. Here the circuit turned left, followed by two right-hand corners and then another left in the space of a few hundred metres. This must have been the best place to watch. The road then went straight down the D34 to the main road crossroads where with a right turn you would be back to the startline and temporary pit area. A lap of approximately 22 km. Must drive it one day.
I have driven round the defunct Gueux circuit many times over the years, but how I wish I had actually seen a race there.
John
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Posted 10 December 2003 - 17:05
Ciao Carlo
humphries
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Posted 19 December 2003 - 22:09
Thanks for track description.
As you probably know, I like to draw maps of old circuits and this would be a great job, but I have been to busy now, so Daniel King was much quicker than me and he updated Reims page on his site 10 days ago.
Ciao,
Guido
As you probably know, I like to draw maps of old circuits and this would be a great job, but I have been to busy now, so Daniel King was much quicker than me and he updated Reims page on his site 10 days ago.
Ciao,
Guido
