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#1 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 17:48

A snowy afternoon in Chicago. Before I go back outside to resume my shoveling chores - here is another edition of the quiz that TNF seems to always master in a remarkably short time. It's been an entire year since the last one!

Rules for winning remain the same as previous games - although partial answers will be acknowledged, the winner will be declared to be the person who lists all 20 correct answers on a single post (even if much of the heavy lifting has been done by someone else)! As always, a modest prize will be forwarded to the winner - if you're a past winner don't despair, I'll send you something different this time!



1. At what two races in 1964 did Walt Hansgen drive for the works Lotus team?

2. Who was Juan Pablo Montoya’s teammate at Paul Stewart Racing in Formula Vauxhall?

3. He won his class in the Mille Miglia in a Renault Dauphine and just six weeks later finished 4th overall at Le Mans (ran 2nd for several hours). Who is he?

4. What year?

5. What car did he drive at LeMans and for what team?

6. Who won the bubbly by recording the first ever 200kph lap at Reims?

7. Bobby Rahal made his race debut on May 21, 1970. Where was the race?

8. What was he driving (need chassis and engine for correct answer)?

9. Bert Schoup was the first spectator fatally injured as a result of a crash during the Indy 500. Who was driving the car that crashed?

10. At LeMans in 1965 Ford was seeking additional entries to bolster their forces. John Wyer persuaded two entrants to switch to Fords. Name the entrants.

11. This American driver qualified on the last row for a major European Grand Prix. Nine years later he won that Grand Prix. Who is he – what are the relevant years and who was he driving for in each case?

12. Please name the South African designer responsible for a winning car in the first year of the 3-liter formula?

13. Forty years after he last raced in the Indy 500 this constructor ran a car in the race driven by a man who shared the surname of the constructor’s partner. Name all three parties!

14. Joe Landaker was the chief mechanic for what prominent west coast American sports car entrant of the 1950’s?

15. Name the British driver who won the 1980 IMSA championship winning six races in a row and 8 of 13?

16. This Indy 500 winner made his race debut by winning a hill climb in a Corvette. Name him!

17. Who was the riding mechanic alongside Giuseppe Camapari when he won the 1924 French GP at Lyon?

18. Name five drivers who have won (overall) the LeMans 24-Hour, the Daytona 24-Hour, and the Sebring 12-Hour.

19. This remarkable driver won LeMans and Sebring (in the same year), the Nurburgring 1000K (two years running), a major Grand Prix and many other races (including the 1000K at Spa). The correct answer will name the driver – the years of the races referenced - and the two years he won the European Mountain Championship!!

20. What was the date of the first ever Shelsley Walsh hill-climb event and on whose farm (Court House Farm) was the finish line located?


If you don't feel like playing the game you could always come over and help me shovel my walk!

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#2 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 17:58

11 seems to me to belong to Dan Gurney... but I have nowhere I can check on the rear-grid qualifying (Ferrari, Spa?).

Maybe I'd better find myself a shovel and put on some mittens?

#3 Don Capps

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 18:04

Mike, You have waaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands. If I lived closer I would help shovel the walk....

# 16 should be Mark Donohue.

#4 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 18:16

Rats!

I thought it might be Jimmy Murphy!

#5 Rob Ryder

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 18:58

Is #2 Jonny Kane (1995)? ... Kane won the championship with Juan Pablo 3rd

#19 Ludovico Scarfiotti? Le Mans & Sebring winner in 1963, Nurburgring 1000kms in 1964 & 1965, 1966 Italian Grand Prix winner and finally European Mountain Champion in 1962, 1964 and 1965.

#6 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 19:22

Originally posted by Don Capps
Mike, You have waaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands. If I lived closer I would help shovel the walk....

# 16 should be Mark Donohue.



(Hot chocolate break!) Not really, Don. I have been making notes over a period of time of items that intrigue me - for whatever reason. All I did today was assemble them. But if you can go all the way to Las Vegas you can certainly make it to Chicago. . . . and you don't need to pack a shovel - I've got an extra!

But you are correct on #16. And Rob Ryder has it right on #2. But no, Ray, it is not Dan for #11.

#7 conjohn

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 19:24

#1: One of the races was the US Grand Prix at some place I can't quite remember...

#10: Rob Walker and Scuderia Filipinetti (heavy lifting by/of Wimpffen)

#11: Peter Revson - 1964 Lotus 24-BRM & 1973 McLaren M23-Ford

#15: John Fitzpatrick IMSA GT Champion in (two) Porsche 935 (heavy lifting by/of Starkey)

#18: Hans Herrmann, A.J. Foyt, Jackie Oliver, Hurley Haywood, Al Holbert, Andy Wallace, Mauro Baldi (heavy lifting by/of Wimpffen)

#8 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 19:37

Sorry Rob - I missed your edit. You are correct on #19. I only had him down for the Mountain Championship in '62 and '64 - didn't realize he also won it in '65.

And Conjohn has nailed #'s 10-11-15-18.

#9 conjohn

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 19:45

#9: Googling gives this from www.findagrave.com : 1923-Spectator Bert Schoup, hit by Tom Alley's car in crash on the Back Stretch.

#10 Pete Stowe

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 19:53

#3 should be Paul Frere
#4 the year was 1957
#5 & the car was the Equipe National Belge D-type Jaguar

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 19:56

#12: On the 11th July 1966, the Border 100 at East London was won, on aggregrate, by Sam Tingle in a LDS, designed by Doug Serrurier.

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 20:08

#14: More googling (I hope this isn't cheating...) brings up the name John Edgar as being the entrant. I must admit that this is a totaly unknown name to me - Carroll Shelby's name is also mentioned, but I stick with Edgar...

#13 jm70

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 20:15

Mike, I would give you a hand, but I have my own problems here in Oak Park!
I am going to wait a while, maybe the wind will switch away from the lake.

#14 conjohn

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 20:19

#7: Google strikes again! Bobby Rahal's first race was at Harewood Acres, an airport circuit in Canada...

#8: ...driving a Porsche, presumably with a Porsche engine :confused: .

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 20:20

I moved away from Chicago to get away from that snow hassle. So here in Las Vegas, a week ago we get a whole bunch of snow. But that was fine. The kids got to have fun throwing snowballs and in a day it had magically disappeared. We are freezing our asses off here though with these 40 degree nights.

#16 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 20:23

Originally posted by conjohn
#12: On the 11th July 1966, the Border 100 at East London was won, on aggregrate, by Sam Tingle in a LDS, designed by Doug Serrurier.


conjohn - you are correct on #'s 9 and 14 - and you may be correct on this one (12) too based on the way I worded it! But I will invoke Rule XXVI (Chapt. 14 para.7) that permits the quiz master to restate his original question in a form that corresponds with what he meant to say. And what I meant to say was ". . . a winning car in a race in the Formula one World Championship in the first year of the 3-liter formula." Sorry! Oh, and as far as googling - - why not?

And Pete Stowe is correct on #'s 3,4,5.

#17 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 20:36

Conjohn - you got #7 but only half right on #8.

Buford - I really hope those 40 degree evenings aren't too tough on you!!! Actually, believe it or not, Friday evening it was 62 degrees here at about 7PM - by tomorrow - or latest Tuesday - it will be below zero.

jm70 - way out west in Ernest Hemingway's home town it has to be much nicer! On the other hand we all know what Hemingway had to say about "broad lawns, etc." - so that could be one serious walk to shovel! Oh, and I don't associate you with the missing part of that particular Hemingway quote.

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 20:42

Originally posted by Mike Argetsinger
Conjohn - you got #7 but only half right on #8.

Buford - I really hope those 40 degree evenings aren't too tough on you!!! Actually, believe it or not, Friday evening it was 62 degrees here at about 7PM - by tomorrow - or latest Tuesday - it will be below zero.


Your body changes man. It adapts to cold weather when you are in it, but move away for a year and it adapts to a warm weather mode. A couple months ago I was out in a T-Shirt one evening and I was walking across a parking lot toward my Mini. I was freezing my ass off. Literally shivering. I thought, “Holy shit it’s cold.” There was a breeze. I started the Mini, still shivering and turned on the heat. The Mini has a thermometer that is visible all the time. I looked at it.

IT WAS 72 DEGREES!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 20:50

Buford
I was born in Illinois, but spent many years in SoCal and Arizona. Took a bit to get back into the swing here. Was in Az in November, wearing shorts, the wife and I stopped at a supermarket, and everyone was wearing jackets and sweaters. I looked at her, and proclaimed that we had become tourists!

Mike.
I am afraid that the last part of the quote still applies here to some extent. Glad that you didn't include me. Oh, did I mention that I intend to use a 3speed with reverse snow blower to do my bit here? It did start in October!

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#20 conjohn

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 21:07

#1 part 2: Walt Hansgen was entered by Lotus in the Milwaukee USAC race, August 23 1964, but was replaced by A.J. Foyt, when he crashed in qualifying. Do you count this as a race? (And this time it wasn't Mr Google, rather it was Mr Nye...)

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 21:13

Hmmm, for #1 I have (courtesy of Google :lol: ) Walt Hansgen driving two Lotii in 1964. One of the works team at the US GP at the Glen already mentioned by conjohn. However, the other was in a British F2 race, the Guards International Trophy for David Prophet Racing. :

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#22 conjohn

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 21:17

Originally posted by Mike Argetsinger
Conjohn - you got #7 but only half right on #8.

I've found an Elva-Porsche, driven by Mike Rahal in 1967. And as the car Bobby drove was described as the Porsche that his dad had sold to Hugh Wise, maybe this is the one...
So an Elva with a Porsche engine is my new answer on #8.

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 21:29

20. August 12, 1905, Sir Francis Winnington

#24 conjohn

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 21:59

Originally posted by Mike Argetsinger
conjohn - you are correct on #'s 9 and 14 - and you may be correct on this one (12) too based on the way I worded it! But I will invoke Rule XXVI (Chapt. 14 para.7) that permits the quiz master to restate his original question in a form that corresponds with what he meant to say. And what I meant to say was ". . . a winning car in a race in the Formula one World Championship in the first year of the 3-liter formula." Sorry!

OK then: The second car designed by a South African to win a race, and in the Formula One World Championship, in 1966, was the Cooper T81, Derrick White being the man responsible. The race was the last Grand Prix that year, in Mexico, with John Surtees at the controls. (Thank you, Mr Nye.)

#25 Roger Clark

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 00:00

Originally posted by dmj
20. August 12, 1905, Sir Francis Winnington


I believe that the tenant of the Court Farm at the time was Mr Montague Taylor.

Number 6 is J M Fangio, in practice for the 1954 Grand Prix. He won 50 bottles of Reims' finest

#26 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 04:25

conjohn:

I may have to challenge your google research ref Bobby Rahal. While I can't specifically say that his first race wasn't at Harewood Acres, I know for a fact that he ran his dad's(Mike)Porsche 906 Batmobile at a regional at Mosport early in the year. I was with three buddies to take in the day's racing. We got there at 9am, it started to rain at 9:15 and it pissed down for the rest of day without pause. I recall the unusual name called for the Rahall's from the race announcer and, in fact, I don't think that he said it properly, IIRC. Bobby looped it coming off corner 10 right in front of us. It was a lovely 360, just missing the pit wall and he kept it going to the applause of spectators and pit crews.

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 16:29

Manfred:

My first thought was the Porsche 906, as this was raced by Mike Rahal and Hugh Wise in 1970 and 1971, but as I could find no reference to it having anything else than a Porsche engine (and according to Mike, only the chassis or engine were Porsche), I had to cast the net wider.

So when I found a reference to Mike Rahal in an Elva-Porsche, I did an intuitive deduction based on available information, seasoned with peripheral knowledge - i.e. I guessed - that his was what Mike was referring to.

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 21:50

I'm surprised nobody gave the answer of question 17: Attilio Marinoni.

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 22:01

Originally posted by Marcor
I'm surprised nobody gave the answer of question 17: Attilio Marinoni.


Hey, I answered one off the top of my head and then volunteered to shovel snow leaving the fun to the rest of you.

:)

#30 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 22:51

Manfred - could you be one year off in your recollection? The first time Bobby drove his dad's 906 was, in fact, at Mosport in June 1971. Much of the description in his biography (by Gordon Kirby) matches what you have to say - only the year is different. The previous year (1970) he debuted in the Elva-Porsche at Harewood.

Marcor has #17 right.

Conjohn and Option1 - Milwaukee is correct. The operative thing here is that it was a works drive and, yes, it counts in my book despite the fact that he didn't start the race (practice crash due to jammed throttle). The fact is that Andrew Ferguson negotiated earlier in the year for Walt to drive those two races (Watkins Glen - F1 and Milwaukee USAC). The regular drivers on the USAC team were Clark and Gurney but they were unavailable because of the conflicting Grand Prix at Zeltweg. Walt and Parnelli Jones got the drives.

Roger - I had a different answer and was using a pretty reliable source. But a quick check reveals that you are (as always!) spot on. I had (from a William Court book) Stuart Lewis-Evans copping the champage (in this version he got 400 bottles!) for the identical feat three years later. Wouldn't it be nice to suppose that the organizers simply forgot they had already done this one - and that Lewis-Evans in fact did get his 400 bottles?

Roger is also correct about #20.

And that leaves us with the one question that I thought was the most obvious!

#31 Roger Clark

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 23:56

Originally posted by Mike Argetsinger

Roger - I had a different answer and was using a pretty reliable source. But a quick check reveals that you are (as always!) spot on. I had (from a William Court book) Stuart Lewis-Evans copping the champage (in this version he got 400 bottles!) for the identical feat three years later. Wouldn't it be nice to suppose that the organizers simply forgot they had already done this one - and that Lewis-Evans in fact did get his 400 bottles?


The Reims club gave away vast quantities of champagne each year. Autosport says that in 1956 Hawthorn won 100 bottles for being the first to exceed 200 kph. Presumably that was for the first that year. In 1957 Toto Roche declared Thursday "Champagne Night" and gave 100 bottles for each new lap record. Fangio won 300, Lewis-Evans 200. Fangio gave 100 bottles to his Maserati mechanics and 50 to the mechanics who prepared his 1956 Ferrari.

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Posted 06 January 2004 - 00:30

The real competition is how many you can answer "off the top of your head" without reference to books, magazines, or the www.

I got one correct (#19) and I reckon that would be good for at least equal first place.

I guess my prize is I don't have to shovel snow.

#33 Marcor

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Posted 06 January 2004 - 01:00

q13, I'm not sure I have understood the question.

#34 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 06 January 2004 - 02:15

Here is the way I posed the question. On reflection it may indeed be somewhat obtuse.

13. Forty years after he last raced in the Indy 500 this constructor ran a car in the race driven by a man who shared the surname of the constructor’s partner. Name all three parties!

I will try again.

I'm looking for three names. Two raced in the Indianapolis 500. Two were partners as principals in a concern that produced a very excellent car that appeared at Indy 40 years after one of said principals had last raced there. And his partner shared the same surname as the driver of the car!

#35 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 06 January 2004 - 02:55

Ref Bobby Rahal:

I yield to the insurmountable evidence against me.

(Bloody time warps!)

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Posted 08 January 2004 - 15:43

;)


1. At what two races in 1964 did Walt Hansgen drive for the works Lotus team?

Walt Hansgen was entered by Lotus in the Milwaukee USAC race, August 23, 1964, but was replaced by A.J. Foyt, when he crashed in qualifying. He also appeared at Watkins Glen, October 4, 1964, with a Lotus and finished 5th.

2. Who was Juan Pablo Montoya’s teammate at Paul Stewart Racing in Formula Vauxhall?

Johnny Kane

3. He won his class in the Mille Miglia in a Renault Dauphine and just six weeks later finished 4th overall at Le Mans (ran 2nd for several hours). Who is he?

Paul Frere

4. What year?

1957

5. What car did he drive at LeMans and for what team?

D-type Jaguar for Equipe National Belge

6. Who won the bubbly by recording the first ever 200kph lap at Reims?

J M Fangio, in practice for the 1954 Grand Prix.

7. Bobby Rahal made his race debut on May 21, 1970. Where was the race?

Harewood in Canada.

8. What was he driving (need chassis and engine for correct answer)?

Elva-Porsche

9. Bert Schoup was the first spectator fatally injured as a result of a crash during the Indy 500. Who was driving the car that crashed?

Tom Alley

10. At LeMans in 1965 Ford was seeking additional entries to bolster their forces. John Wyer persuaded two entrants to switch to Fords. Name the entrants.

Rob Walker and Scuderia Filipinetti

11. This American driver qualified on the last row for a major European Grand Prix. Nine years later he won that Grand Prix. Who is he – what are the relevant years and who was he driving for in each case?

Peter Revson - 1964 Lotus 24-BRM & 1973 McLaren M23-Ford

12. Please name the South African designer responsible for a winning car in the first year of the 3-liter formula?

Derrick White

13. Forty years after he last raced in the Indy 500 this constructor ran a car in the race driven by a man who shared the surname of the constructor’s partner. Name all three parties!

...obvious? Perhaps, but not to me, still working on it... though it must be pre '96!

14. Joe Landaker was the chief mechanic for what prominent west coast American sports car entrant of the 1950’s?

John Edgar

15. Name the British driver who won the 1980 IMSA championship winning six races in a row and 8 of 13?

John Fitzpatrick IMSA GT Champion in (two) Porsche 935's

16. This Indy 500 winner made his race debut by winning a hill climb in a Corvette. Name him!

Mark Donohue

17. Who was the riding mechanic alongside Giuseppe Camapari when he won the 1924 French GP at Lyon?

Attilio Marinoni

18. Name five drivers who have won (overall) the LeMans 24-Hour, the Daytona 24-Hour, and the Sebring 12-Hour.

Hans Herrmann, A.J. Foyt, Jackie Oliver, Hurley Haywood, Al Holbert, Andy Wallace, Mauro Baldi

19. This remarkable driver won LeMans and Sebring (in the same year), the Nurburgring 1000K (two years running), a major Grand Prix and many other races (including the 1000K at Spa). The correct answer will name the driver – the years of the races referenced - and the two years he won the European Mountain Championship!!

Ludovico Scarfiotti; Le Mans & Sebring winner in 1963, Nurburgring 1000kms in 1964 & 1965, 1966 Italian Grand Prix winner and finally European Mountain Champion in 1962, 1964 and 1965

20. What was the date of the first ever Shelsley Walsh hill-climb event and on whose farm (Court House Farm) was the finish line located?

August 12, 1905 - The farm of: Mr. Montague Taylor

#37 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 08 January 2004 - 18:21

Richard - thanks for reviving this. You're close to wrapping this thing up. You have them all except:

12 - Murray is wrong - but the correct answer has already been posted

19 - same deal - it's not quick Vic - but the correct answer was posted early on for this one.

13 - remains unanswered - and I thought this one was so obvious I almost didn't include it!

#38 Marcor

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Posted 08 January 2004 - 22:52

question 13,
Are you sure to the 40 years? If Mister x, the Constructor, did take part in the 500 miles 40 years ago (in 1963, for example), we had to find a driver Y who drove in the 2003 edition (in my example) and who have the same name as the parter of X? Ok ?

In 2003 there were only 2 constructors: G-Force and Dallara... Maybe you want to speak to the entrants.

#39 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 January 2004 - 01:33

But Mike didn't mention 2003...

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#40 Marcor

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Posted 09 January 2004 - 10:34

This was an example.

#41 Barry Lake

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 16:20

Heeeeelp!!!!

What is the answer to the former driver who became an entrant for the Indianapolis 500 40 years after he last raced there?

I looked through the list of drivers on the Johnsons Indy 500 web site and there aren't all that many who were still alive 40 years after they last raced there. And I didn't see any name that rang bells as an entrant 40 years later.


I give up!

What's the answer?

#42 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 18:25

Barry - thanks for taking an interest in this!

I didn't say entrant - I said constructor. And Alfred Moss - who last raced at Indy in 1925 (also '24)was a partner in BRP with Ken Gregory. Masten Gregory (and Jimmy Lloyd) drove the BRP cars at Indy in 1965 (Masten's drive in the race is legendary). Tony Robinson actually built the cars - he was a director of BRP but the principals in the firm were Gregory and Moss and it was they who decided to accept the offer to build the cars.

#43 Don Capps

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Posted 24 January 2004 - 19:33

Mike, that was dirty! And absolutely obvious when you took a step back and thought about it -- then it is just staring at you..... :rotfl: Wow, that was good. A tip of the hat for that one....

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Posted 25 January 2004 - 01:39

It wasn't obvious to me. :(

But I'm glad we have an answer. Uncompleted quizes keep me awake at night.