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#1 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 16:42

Just wanted to share a few images of the Swedish built Swebe Formula 3 car of 1966.
Sometimes regarded as a Brabham clone, here the car can be seen without its bodywork.

Sven Andersson and Bengt Peterson (as we know as Ronnie's father) built the cars in Örebro, Sweden.

The correct spelling of "Swebe" can also be noted on the steering wheel. The birthplace "Örebro" can also be read. Sometimes you can find the spelling "Svebe" in various sources. David Hodges has it wrong but Bernard Cowdrey has it correct.

Link to the images here.

Prepare for a possible slow load of the page... :rolleyes:

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#2 Torgny Arvidsson

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 20:33

Funny Rainer!
I have this afternoon looked in all swedish magazins from 1966, looking for a picture of Ecurie Swiss Cooper-BRM T82 and "Kanonloppet" and among other pictures I "discovered" the photos and the report about the SWEBE.
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#3 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 21:35

Yes, and I just acquired this particular '66 magazine a few days ago via a net-auction... :smoking:

#4 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 January 2004 - 00:06

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg
.....Sometimes regarded as a Brabham clone, here the car can be seen without its bodywork.

Sven Andersson and Bengt Peterson (as we know as Ronnie's father) built the cars in Örebro, Sweden.....


Just as a matter of interest, you might like to have this snippet of information... I've posted it before ( http://forums.atlasf...&postid=1375023 ) but it has particular relevance here...

A comment from Rennmax builder Bob Britton, who also made Brabham replicas
He told me that he and Jack had gone up to Sweden to see the car Ronnie Peterson was running. They were thinking of having him drive for them, and they wanted to see this car Ronnie’s father had built. They got there and found the most perfect copy of their own cars. Everybody did it, Ron wasn’t worried! He just told me to make sure I charged them full price!


Three Australian titles were won by Rennmax-built Brabham clones...

#5 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 06 January 2004 - 02:00

Interesting reading Ray, this comment by Bob Britton was also true in the Swebe case.

Though his chassis were copies of some very good designs, the detail work in some of the bolt-on bits was of his own creation.



They borrowed the design ideas only, but detail work and measurements like track, were different.

In this article the reporter also asked Bengt Peterson, who was responsible for the design of the chassis...Bengt Peterson or Sven Andersson?....and he answered with a smile: Brabham! :)

#6 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 January 2004 - 02:17

I note in the photos that the 'bolt on' items that Britto did himself... the wheels in particular... the Swebe actually has fair dinkum Brabham bits.

Hard to see if the rear uprights are Brabham-made or otherwise, and Britto made his own calipers as well, rather than buying in the Girling or Lockheed parts that Brabham used. Though this wasn't the case with every car, some buyers would use parts they might have had on hand that had been spares from a previous car, for instance.

It is nice, however, to see the pics of the car that I'd been told about in that roundabout way...

#7 HistoryFan

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 20:03

In "Grand Prix Piloten - Ihr Weg nach oben" by Helmut Zwickl there is written about Ronnie Peterson's father was building him an F3 car, it was called SWEPE. More details about that car?

#8 rbm

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 20:36

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have a look at www.500race.org the 500cc Formula 3 owner club web site.



#9 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 20:52

In "Grand Prix Piloten - Ihr Weg nach oben" by Helmut Zwickl there is written about Ronnie Peterson's father was building him an F3 car, it was called SWEPE. More details about that car?

It's actually called the SWEBE. See this previous thread http://forums.autosp...showtopic=64963

Scroll down to 1966 on this page from the Ronnie Peterson website
http://www.ronniepet...ng/orframe.html

#10 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 09:02

Sven Andersson and Bengt Peterson from Örebro built their first racer in 1947. In '48 they built two 500cc cars that was called Swebe. The year after two super-light F3 cars were built, suited for the Swedish "midget" scene that raced on short speedway ovals and horse-tracks. A couple of Swebes for road racing was also built in the early fifties, but since they couldn't get hold of the Norton engines they had to give up and Andersson got a Cooper-Norton in 1955. His Swebe was a winner in hill-climbs and horse-track ovals for many years though. Often driven by the Swedish SRM-engine. Although Peterson quit racing after the 1950 season, Andersson continued long into the sixties.
He built a FJ Swebe with a Renault engine, but it was slow, so he rebuilt a F3 Cooper to a FJ instead. That Swebe-Cooper is still seen in Swedish historic racing.
Bengt Peterson started to build karts for his son Ronnie and his Robardie with the innovative A-frame became a road to success. When Ronnie continued to F3, Bengt and Sven built a series of Brabham-copies. But they found that the real Brabham was cheaper and better, so after a few races Ronnie bought an old Brabham instead.

#11 HistoryFan

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 09:28

Thank you very much

#12 Formula Once

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 10:36

Didn't Ronnie and his father also built the Robardie kart themselves too?

#13 sonar

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 19:17

I always thought that it was called 'Svebe', because the letters SVE stood for Sven (Andersson) and BE for Bengt (Peterson).
Why would it be called 'Swebe', with a W?
What does that stand for then?

#14 HiRich

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 10:16

Because they ran out of "V" stickers and had spare "W"s. Bengt then thought Swebe sounded a bit more cosmopolitan.

#15 ensign14

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 20:13

Could have cut the Ws in half. Voila, twice as many Vs as required.

#16 Raido

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 20:28

But that would've made it a Formula VV  ;)

Alan Henry's book on Peterson (covering his early career) also had a bit on the Svebe, btw.