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#601 Michael Oliver

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 23:38

Originally posted by RA Historian
That is my understanding also. Originally, all were 19s except for the last one built, which was built from the start to house a Ford V-8 instead of a Climax 4. This was the aforementioned Dan Gurney car, which he ran circa 1964-65, and was designated 19B. I believe Steve Diulio owns the car now. Please note: this is NOT the Arciero car which Dan drove in 1960-62. That is another car entirely, but all too often is confused with the later 19B.
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Tom,

You are absolutely right about the second Gurney car being the only officially designated 19B. In terms of the car's present owner, I have Nancy (and Gordon?) Gimbel, from previous owner Wayne Linden but I have to confess I haven't verified this recently. I believe Diulio was the second owner of the car after Gurney? Maybe he has bought it back 'for old times' sake?

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 12:18

Ah yes, I think that you are right, Michael. The name Diulio stuck in my mind and I typed it without going to look at some research material. Once again, relying on memory rather than facts does one in! Yes, Diulio raced it after Dan, but it has changed hands since, and I certainly have to go along with your information.
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Posted 10 June 2007 - 05:26

Michael Oliver contacted me and asked if I had any Lotus 19 pictures to go with those of various Cooper Monacos that I posted on other threads. Here's the only one I've come up with, I believe it's at the 1966 USRRC at Mid Ohio. Entry lists for that event show a Lotus-Ford driven by Dave Causey, a DNF. If anyone can tell me about the car I'd appreciate the info.

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I haven't had time to read all 16 pages of this thread, but I did notice Causey listed with an unknown chassis number in an earlier post. The rear suspension bulkhead of this car has obviously been modified, and I notice that the suspension has upper lateral control arms. Was that a factory suspension setup, or a field modification? Looks like a BMC transaxle. While Monacos were relatively thick on the ground, this is the only 19 I recall seeing in the mid-60's.

I did like the Lotus 19, here's a 1/32 slot car version of the Dan Gurney 19B that I did at the time. Somewhere I also have a slot car of the Arciero Brothers 19. Fun stuff!

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Noticed some recent activity on threads about Ed Lowther's Genie Ford and McKees - willhave to dig through the photos for those.

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 00:29

It is my understanding that the Causey 19 was the ex-Roy Scheckter car. The Causeys got it in 1962 and ran it for a number of years. They put a Ford V-8 into it in 1964. Over the time they owned it it changed shape and color almost every year. I have shots of it in 1962 red with a Cllimax, 1963 silver with a Climax, 1964 silver with the Ford, and 1965 white and blue with the Ford. I don't know where it went after the Causeys. I suppose I could go back through all the dozens of pages in this thread and find out, but at the moment do not have the time!

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 22:00

Originally posted by S&M Minis
Michael Oliver contacted me and asked if I had any Lotus 19 pictures to go with those of various Cooper Monacos that I posted on other threads. Here's the only one I've come up with, I believe it's at the 1966 USRRC at Mid Ohio. Entry lists for that event show a Lotus-Ford driven by Dave Causey, a DNF. If anyone can tell me about the car I'd appreciate the info.

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I haven't had time to read all 16 pages of this thread, but I did notice Causey listed with an unknown chassis number in an earlier post. The rear suspension bulkhead of this car has obviously been modified, and I notice that the suspension has upper lateral control arms. Was that a factory suspension setup, or a field modification? Looks like a BMC transaxle. While Monacos were relatively thick on the ground, this is the only 19 I recall seeing in the mid-60's.

I did like the Lotus 19, here's a 1/32 slot car version of the Dan Gurney 19B that I did at the time. Somewhere I also have a slot car of the Arciero Brothers 19. Fun stuff!

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Noticed some recent activity on threads about Ed Lowther's Genie Ford and McKees - willhave to dig through the photos for those.


Randy

Many thanks for your photo post, the Causey's certainly had their car a long time! Not sure about the suspension set-up, will check... The car is chassis #958, problem is that I have never been able to find out where it went after the Causeys, as Dave doesn't know who his brother Dean (now dead) sold the car to...

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 08:10

Hi, I would like to know if any progress has been made about the possible link between the Publicker car from 1961 (960 ?) and the Terrel/Thiem car raced in 1962/1963.
I found two photos, one of the Publicker car (at Sebring 12 hrs) et one of the Terrel car (State Fair Park june '62). Detail observation of these pictures tend to confirm that this could be the same car. Not only have they the same colour, but they both have the "integral" windscreen with a single wiper and external oil pipes. The only other car I have seen this "integral" windscreen with was the 950 UDT car raced in UK in 1961, and on the Matich car as it was delivered to him by UDT early 1962 (these two being possibly the same car).
The only modification on the Terrel car seems to have been an engine change (still a Climax but a 2.0 L no longer the 1,5 L which blew up at Sebring), and the roll bar which is smaller on the Terrel car.
Any better clues than that ?

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 08:28

Not too sure if they are the same car.
But the tall screens look the same as the early pictures of the UDT cars that were forced to use them due to CSI regulations of early 1960.

Interesting to see both cars displaying a distinct "nose up" attitude. The one at speed could be due to power on, but the at rest shot is just weak rear springs unless the car was set up that way ?

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 09:09

so here's my 25c...car#"950" after the mid seventies and car #978 from '85 on were totally made of thin air...i watched them being constructed in a small shop in california...the bare steel frames hung on the wall obvously new...the alloy buick was assembled from several pallets of engine cores..the climax was delivered in a handsome crate by C&G...the 'glass panels were locally laid up.wheels were cast and bits were made with great care to closely resemble the real cars..well, they aren't.

i have to assume everyone knows that. :|

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 21:38

Originally posted by dbw
so here's my 25c...car#"950" after the mid seventies and car #978 from '85 on were totally made of thin air...i watched them being constructed in a small shop in california...the bare steel frames hung on the wall obvously new...the alloy buick was assembled from several pallets of engine cores..the climax was delivered in a handsome crate by C&G...the 'glass panels were locally laid up.wheels were cast and bits were made with great care to closely resemble the real cars..well, they aren't.

i have to assume everyone knows that. :|


Thanks for that, ties in with other stuff I've come across, apart from the #978 bit, there never was a 19 with that number. Which one do you mean?

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 21:43

Originally posted by jpgp79
Hi, I would like to know if any progress has been made about the possible link between the Publicker car from 1961 (960 ?) and the Terrel/Thiem car raced in 1962/1963.
I found two photos, one of the Publicker car (at Sebring 12 hrs) et one of the Terrel car (State Fair Park june '62). Detail observation of these pictures tend to confirm that this could be the same car. Not only have they the same colour, but they both have the "integral" windscreen with a single wiper and external oil pipes. The only other car I have seen this "integral" windscreen with was the 950 UDT car raced in UK in 1961, and on the Matich car as it was delivered to him by UDT early 1962 (these two being possibly the same car).
The only modification on the Terrel car seems to have been an engine change (still a Climax but a 2.0 L no longer the 1,5 L which blew up at Sebring), and the roll bar which is smaller on the Terrel car.
Any better clues than that ?

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I believe they are one and the same car, as all the other cars at the time were accounted for and even fewer ran with such a small engine. Terrell and Thiem were in the same area too. However, I have lost track of the car after Thiem's ownership, I have not come across any mentions of it ever being raced again although the mystery door logo thread that I posted a while back purported to be the door off of this car. I haven't been able to verify this.

HTH

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 05:59

sorry...i ment 957....terry buffim had both cars fabricated.

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 20:08

Originally posted by dbw
sorry...i ment 957....terry buffim had both cars fabricated.


OK, thanks! That is with David Smith now, IIRC. Very interesting...which begs the question: what happened to the 'original' or first version of 957?

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 15:56

The better part of 6 months have passed since I last updated the legacy of Chassis numbers that was originally started by David McKinney (post424). This 19 thread has become quite lengthy, so my apologies to any and all if I have incorrectly brought forward any of the information below. Please set me right if Michael doesn't get to me first. And to be clear, this listing is based solely on information brought forward by those that have posted to this thread. Still a few blanks to fill in to be sure! Cheers.


LOTUS 19 LEGACY BY CHASSIS NUMBER update of JUL 2007


950
1960 UDT Laystall. First race at Kanonloppet Karlskoga, Sweden Aug 1960. First race in America at Riverside, California Oct 1960 (Moss).
1961 UDT Laystall.
1961-63 Frank Matich and Team Total, arriving in Australia late in 1961, first race Jan 1962 until written off in 1963

'950'
1985 Terry Buffum, California (car fabricated in California per dbw post 608)
1997-98 Richard Austin, UK
2001-2006 Robert Brooks, UK


951
1960-62 Arciero Racing (Dan Gurney) USA
1963 Arciero Racing (Daigh, Clark)
1964 Arciero Racing with Chevy V8 (Al Unser, Bobby Unser)
2006 retained by Frank Arciero

952
1961 UDT Laystall 2.0 Climax
1961 Team Rosebud as of Dec at Nassau (Moss)
1962 Team Rosebud 2.5 Climax fitted for win by Innes Ireland at Nassau (Source: Jerry Entin per Willem Oosthoek. Post 437)
1962-63 Team Rosebud, fitted with Ferrari engine prior to the Pacific NW Grand Prix (29Sep63), Kent Washington

’952’
1963 Rosebud replacement for 952 (Ferrari engine), raced by Ireland USA 1964
196_ Rosebud donated to the Victoria High School (Texas) auto shop
1977-1985 Charles Smith-Maxwell, purchased from the Victoria HS and brought to UK (post540)
1985 Sold to Higgins brothers, Lincolnshire (post616); raced by Bill Higgins 1994: replica built still with Ian Higgins (?)
1996 to present, Baron Otto Reedtz-Thott, Denmark now fitted w 2.0L engine. Ferrari engine still with Ian Higgins (?).

953
1961-1963 UDT Laystall
1963 Mike Pendleton
1964 George Pitt
196_ Entwistle
196_ Walker
1966 Harry O’Brien. Chassis replaced with last available from factory. 953 completely destroyed in a garage fire. (post577)

'953'
1966 to present, Kelvin Jones (post15)


954
1961-1963 J Frank Harrison USA. Rebodied 1962 and Ford V8 engine, driven by Lloyd Ruby
1964 Don Fong. Entered for Jimmy Clark at the 1964 Player's 200/DNS (post194)
1966 Charlie Kolb
1967 Orly Thornsjo. Owned for a couple of years (post189)
1985 unnamed owner, Chicago
2006 Dave Helms of Boulder, Colorado, reportedly restoring

955
1962 Jack Nethercutt. Delivered with 2.5L Climax
19 -- Dick Hahn fitted Chevy V8
1964 Dave Tatom, crashed w extensive damage 24 May 64 Players Pacific, Westwood BC (post 234)
1965-66 Lew Florence (L19 Ford entered Pacific NW Grand Prix, Kent 10 Oct 65) (14th Place L19 Chev entered Pacific NW GP, Kent 9 Oct 66)
19 -- Pete Nash who raced NW USA with Ford Cobra 289 engine (post234)
19 -- Bargelt
1977 to present -- Remains with the amusement park musician in the Seattle area and presently in restoration per David Birchall (post238,553).

956
1961 Charles Vogele (Switzerland) 2.5 Climax changed to 2.0 Climax in 1962 (per L.C.Crane. Motorsports Journal Jan 1980)

957
1961 Tom Carstens USA. Delivered without engine. Carstens fitted a Vic Edelbrock built Buick engine. No transmission. Never raced.
1962 purchased and raced by Jerry Grant through to 1965, Colotti gearbox fitted. Changed to Chevy engine from 1964.
1966 Jerry Hansen
1967-68 Dick Kantrud
1968-69 Dick Figenskau (post620), sold to a guy in Las Vegas area (post623)
1983 to present - remains of front body section allegedly with amusement park musician (post614)

'957'
1985 Terry Buffum, California (car fabricated in California per dbw post 608)
1996 John Buddenbaum entered Laguna Seca (Buick engine) but Buffum for sale 10/10
1998 Fantasy Junction for sale Jan
2000 David Smith, IIRC raced Laguna Seca


958
1961 Roy Schechter 2.5 Climax (per L.C.Crane. Motorsports Journal Jan 1980)
1962 Sold to Dean Causey in the summer of '62 (post432)
1964 Causey installed Ford V8 (post604)
1967 For sale listing by Dave Causey in Competition Press 25Feb67 (described as Lotus Ford w high perf 289 block and Indy crank).
1967 to present - whereabouts unknown

959
1961 Peter Ryan
1962 Francis Bradley
1963 Denis Coad
1964 Vic Yachuk
1965 Dennis Coad
1967 Tom Spencer (post507)
1970s - 2005 Jack Boxstrom (Restored by Stephen Griswold)
2005 to present - Carl Moore, California. Attended VARAC Mosport, June 2007.

960
1961 Robert Publicker (Fort Lauderdale, Florida) 1.5 Climax (per L.C.Crane. Motorsports Journal Jan 1980)
1963 Tom Terrell at Daytona in Feb 63 with 2L Climax (Krejci)
1963 Doug Thiem. For Sale by Thiemite Racing Team, Milwaukee in CP 16Oct63
1963 to present - whereabouts unknown

961
1961 Dr. Harry Zweifel (Switzerland) 2.0 Climax, Maserati engine for 1962, Ferrari engine for 1963 (per L.C.Crane. Motorsports Journal Jan 1980)

962
1962-63 Rod Carveth, USA. Delivered w/o engine, fitted with Buick B.O.P. V8 painted black racenumber 54
1963 Bev Spencer
1963-64 Stan Peterson, Los Angeles USA
1967 Allen Taylor, SCCA National Selma, Alabama Buick engine (post180)(post201)
19 -- Frank Crane
19 -- Lee Guitier
1979 Don Orosco, Pebble Beach USA
1980 Chris Drake, England
1980 Rosso Bianco Museum, Germany
2006-present Olav Glasius, Netherlands

963
1962 Henry Olds and Bob Colombosian USA. Delivered without engine, Buick 3.8L BOP V8 installed.
1963-64 Norm Namerow (CDN) fitted a Ford 289, Colotti gearbox and McKee transaxle for 1963 CDN GP (post456)
1964 Peter Lerch (sold to Lerch in late 64 post 586) rebuilt by McKee, Colotti box removed, major crash St. Jovite Sep 65 (post 594)
1980s John Maycock rebuilt with new chassis, transmission, suspension, fitted Rover V8
1996 Brad Krause entered Laguna Seca
2004-2005 Frank Jellenik, Portsmouth NH
2005-2006 John Delane, California. Sold to Tom Claridge along with the original chassis from the Vancouver area (post614)
2007- present Tom Claridge, California (post 586)

964
1963 John Coundley (and Bill de Selincourt) UK with 2.7 FPF
1964 Phil Scragg in UK hillclimbs
19 -- later to Terry Buffum, USA (?)
19 -- to present, in the UK (?) (post623)

965
1962-63 Mecom Racing, USA, with 2.0 FPF (Pabst)
1964 Mecom Racing with Oldsmobile V8 (Cannon)

'965'
2004- Richard Roth (purported to be chassis 965 by current vendor?) (post633)


966 19B
1963-65 Dan Gurney (Ford 289) North America
1965 Joe Leonard crashed tyre-testing at Riverside
1965-66 Steve Dulio (and Bondurant)
1967- Dick Caillouette (Traco-Chev), often driven national events by Peter Woods (post635)
1970s Wayne Linden (Ford)
1995- present, Gordon and Nancy Gimbel, California (post623)
2007- present, Steve Diulio, California (?) (post 600)

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 16:20

Hi Mark, well done, that is the sort of thing we need.

Two comments: The "amusement park musician" had only the front body section of 957 and never claimed more-that was my mistake.

John DeLane, former owner of 963 came to the Vancouver area recently, picked up the original chassis of 963 and says he has passed it on to Tom Claridge when Claridge bought 963 from DeLane.

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 18:06

Regarding the long-lost 957, I think I was in touch with Dick Kantrud's former mechanic recently. Even if I can't find the contact details, I bet Tom 'RA Historian' could help us on this one.

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 18:09

Regarding chassis #952 (the Rosebud Ferrari car).

I have read the september 1986 issue of Lotus World, in which a full report on the july 20th open days at Hethel are reported. The star of the show was Bill Higgins car, chassis 952 ex-Rosebud (see photo). The car still has the Ferrari 250 TR engine in it, and is painted red with "Victoria High" in white lettering on its doors. Note the Ferrari nose badge underneath the Lotus one.

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Bill Highins describes his car as having been brought to UK in 1978. He acquired it in 1985 and was looking for information in order to restore it.

Following post #540, its previous owner must have been Charles Smith-Maxwell.

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 18:26

I was under the impression (which I can't document at this instant) that the Ferrari V-12 originally used in #952 remained in the U.S. It appears that in this photo no engine is fitted -- no intakes are visible in the rear deck, and the car possibly sits somewhat high in the rear.

Is it a certainly that it still had a Ferrari V-12 when this photo was taken?

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 18:36

The article says the Ferrari engine is still installed in it. I agree that we cannot see the intake pipes, which could mean that the engine is not there, or at least incomplete (carbs might have been removed).

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 18:41

Originally posted by CLR
I have a copy of a letter written by Charles Smith- Maxwell dated Dec 1977.
In it, he ask a friend to see if he can locate a FFPF for a Lotus 19 he is trying to buy from someone in Texas. He states in the letter that he had been seeking a 19 for 5 years, and had found one in Texas without an engine.

Kevin Whittle


I notice in Post 540 (above) that Kevin Whittle references the 'pending' sale without an engine. As for the photo, I suppose there is a chance that the Auto Class at the Victoria High School in Texas could have removed it and eventually parted with it either to Smith-Maxwell when the sale was done, or Higgins Bros at a later date. Supposedly the Higgins haven't parted with it . . . if in fact they do have original Ferrari engine? A good bit to sort out if possible.

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 01:26

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Regarding the long-lost 957, I think I was in touch with Dick Kantrud's former mechanic recently. Even if I can't find the contact details, I bet Tom 'RA Historian' could help us on this one.

Not as much as I would like. But we can insert one more owner on this car. Dick Kantrud sold it to a fellow resident of the Twin Cities, Dick Figenskau, who ran it late 68 and into 69. I am trying to locate the e mail address of a fellow in that area who is in touch with Scott Beckett and others from that era. He could probably help. If only I could find where I put that address...... :confused:

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 07:01

For 955, I don't think Dick Hahn installed a V-8. I think Lew Florence did that.

Darn, I talked to Dave Tatom and Jerry Grant at the Seattle Historics...should have asked them about the cars. I have some contact info for them if anybody wants to call them.

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 08:05

Originally posted by RA Historian
Not as much as I would like. But we can insert one more owner on this car. Dick Kantrud sold it to a fellow resident of the Twin Cities, Dick Figenskau, who ran it late 68 and into 69. I am trying to locate the e mail address of a fellow in that area who is in touch with Scott Beckett and others from that era. He could probably help. If only I could find where I put that address...... :confused:

Scott Beckett - that's the name I was struggling to remember. I've just sent you his email address. He was very helpful regarding Kantrud's Lola T140.

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 21:41

Originally posted by RA Historian
Not as much as I would like. But we can insert one more owner on this car. Dick Kantrud sold it to a fellow resident of the Twin Cities, Dick Figenskau, who ran it late 68 and into 69. I am trying to locate the e mail address of a fellow in that area who is in touch with Scott Beckett and others from that era. He could probably help. If only I could find where I put that address...... :confused:


It is Bob Figenskau and I have spoken to him. He told me that he sold it to a guy whose name he couldn't remember, in Vegas area...so I have come to a dead end for now on that one.

I have also spoken to Charles Smith-Maxwell but I cannot remember what he said about the engine, would have to look out my notes. Also the Higgins brothers did not buy the car at auction, they bought it direct from C S-M. He had lent them the car in order that they could build a replica, which presumably is the car Ian still has, since they sold the restored C S-M car to Baron Otto Reedtz-Thott. Another correction, I believe it has a 2-litre not a 2.5 litre Climax in it.

Also Vogele had 956 and Zweifel had 961 from new.

Finally, I am not sure about 964 going to Buffum, I think this was an assumption based on matching cars up with people. I have heard that this car is still in the UK. There is a white 19 which John Buddenbaum (Buffum mechanic/fabricator) has driven but I do not think this is claimed to be 964, it is a mystery car. There will be plenty more mystery cars out there I am sure...

966: don't think Diulio has bought this car, believe still with Gimbel but prepared to be corrected.

Some mis-spellings:

Vic Yachuk
Dennis Coad
Roy Schechter

Great work Mark! Amazing how many cars are still "missing in action"...

Cheers

Michael

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 22:14

Looking at various race reports on magazines of the period, I have three unidentified Lotus 19 as follows:

+ April 19, 1964, SCCA Virginia Danville - Lotus 19 Ford V8, driven by Jim O'Brien, race number 48, finished 4th overall
+ Oct. 31, 1965, Riverside LA Times GP - Lotus 19 from AM-WAY Racing driven by Rick Muther, race number 29
+ Nov. 12, 1967, CANAM Las Vegas - Lotus 19 Ford V8 driven by Bill Eve, race number 89 but did not start

I don't have any photo. Any information about which chassis these could be ?

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 01:36

Originally posted by Michael Oliver


It is Bob Figenskau and I have spoken to him. He told me that he sold it to a guy whose name he couldn't remember, in Vegas area...so I have come to a dead end for now on that one.
Michael

I stand corrected. Thanks Mike, it has been many years since I saw Figenskau drive it.
Tom

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 06:44

Originally posted by jpgp79
+ April 19, 1964, SCCA Virginia Danville - Lotus 19 Ford V8, driven by Jim O'Brien, race number 48, finished 4th overall
+ Oct. 31, 1965, Riverside LA Times GP - Lotus 19 from AM-WAY Racing driven by Rick Muther, race number 29


There is a photo of the O'Brien #48 car at Virginia in 1964 at the following webpage. Looks like 954:

http://www.racingspo...4-04-19-048.jpg

And Kirk Keyes in Portland, Oregon said the Lotus 30 they have was driven by Muther at the Time GP in 1965?

Vince H.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 10:15

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003


There is a photo of the O'Brien #48 car at Virginia in 1964 at the following webpage. Looks like 954:

http://www.racingspo...4-04-19-048.jpg


Vince H.


Definitely looks like #954 Harrison Special, thanks :clap:

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 12:12

Originally posted by jpgp79


Definitely looks like #954 Harrison Special, thanks :clap:

JP

Agreed.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 18:38

Originally posted by Michael Oliver Also Vogele had 956 and Zweifel had 961 from new. Finally, I am not sure about 964 going to Buffum, I think this was an assumption . . . . 966: don't think Diulio has bought this car, believe still with Gimbel but prepared to be corrected. Some mis-spellings: Vic Yachuk, Dennis Coad, Roy Schechter . . .


Thanks Michael, knew I could count on you to catch up on things . . . and the listing is revised accordingly. All the best.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 18:58

Just came across this page with Matich Lotus 19 photo. Don't know if you've already seen and discussed it (who is Brian?)

http://www.aussieroa...ervBunyan5.html

Vince H.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 14:45

Not to interrupt Vince's post and some background on Brian . . . do we have a chassis assignment for this Buick-powered 19 owned by Richard Roth (USA)? I have seen it listed at a few historical events a couple of years back but not recently. I believe that this photo was taken at the Lime Rock Fall Festival, September 2004. Many similarites in the restoration detail to chassis 963 ( . . . Jellenik/Delane/and now Claridge).

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 14:51

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
Just came across this page with Matich Lotus 19 photo. Don't know if you've already seen and discussed it (who is Brian?)

http://www.aussieroa...ervBunyan5.html


Brian Darby...

Just noticed an error on that page too... the Lotus 23B labelled as the Geoghegan's is 'ex-Geoghegan' in that photo, that's during the ownership of Frank Demuth.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 22:20

Originally posted by Mark Campbell
Not to interrupt Vince's post and some background on Brian . . . do we have a chassis assignment for this Buick-powered 19 owned by Richard Roth (USA)? I have seen it listed at a few historical events a couple of years back but not recently. I believe that this photo was taken at the Lime Rock Fall Festival, September 2004. Many similarites in the restoration detail to chassis 963 ( . . . Jellenik/Delane/and now Claridge).

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The Richard Roth car is claimed to be 965 by the current vendors...

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#634 Michael Oliver

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 22:22

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
Just came across this page with Matich Lotus 19 photo. Don't know if you've already seen and discussed it (who is Brian?)

http://www.aussieroa...ervBunyan5.html

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Brian is Brian Darby, who was a mechanic for Matich in, IIRC, 1962 or 1963. There is a post of mine earlier in this thread containing extracts from an email he sent me where he talks about his recollections of the time.

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#635 Michael Oliver

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 22:25

Originally posted by jpgp79
Looking at various race reports on magazines of the period, I have three unidentified Lotus 19 as follows:

+ April 19, 1964, SCCA Virginia Danville - Lotus 19 Ford V8, driven by Jim O'Brien, race number 48, finished 4th overall
+ Oct. 31, 1965, Riverside LA Times GP - Lotus 19 from AM-WAY Racing driven by Rick Muther, race number 29
+ Nov. 12, 1967, CANAM Las Vegas - Lotus 19 Ford V8 driven by Bill Eve, race number 89 but did not start

I don't have any photo. Any information about which chassis these could be ?


The Bill Eve car was the ex-Gurney 19B, chassis #966. I believe it was owned by Dick Caillouette at the time. It was normally driven in national events by Pete Woods but also one of the posters on this thread drove in in regional/local events, there are some photos of him competing on an earlier thread.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 04:23

Does anyone have any photos of 965 in its Mecom livery? I've seen this one :http://www.racingspo...3-10-13-057.jpg

The #7 Mecom car is the third one back. Just wondering about any other races.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 06:03

I am currently in touch with Frank Matich, who used to have a C-type Jaguar that will be at the Mission, B.C. Historic Motor Races, August 4-5. Would you like me to ask him anything about the Lotus 19?

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 09:07

I think you'll learn more (that's not in this thread already...) if you ask about the 19B...

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 15:03

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
I am currently in touch with Frank Matich . . . would you like me to ask him anything about the Lotus 19? Vince H.


Not to go over old ground as Ray points out, but I would be interested in as much detail as Frank may recall as to the arrival of the 19 in Australia. Specifically if he recalls, when the car left the UK ( I believe an earlier post noted that it went by sea, but it would be worth confirming) the date it landed in Australia, was it tied up in customs for long and what if anything of significance was done to the car prior to it's first outing at Catalina on 21 Jan 62? Thanks. Mark.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 21:46

Originally posted by Vrm
Does anyone have any photos of 965 in its Mecom livery? I've seen this one :http://www.racingspo...3-10-13-057.jpg

The #7 Mecom car is the third one back. Just wondering about any other races.

Thanks,
Steve


There is a photo earlier in the thread of the car in the paddock at the 1963 Players 200. Also, there is a good photo of the car in its last recorded race, the 1964 Guards Trophy, in the Motor Sport photo report of the race.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:16

Originally posted by Michael Oliver


There is a photo earlier in the thread of the car in the paddock at the 1963 Players 200. Also, there is a good photo of the car in its last recorded race, the 1964 Guards Trophy, in the Motor Sport photo report of the race.

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Thanks,
I scrolled back and found the Mecom car that I mssed. Where can I find the Motor Sport photo report pic you mentioned?

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:04

Our GP Library picture, not the 'Motor Sport' picture, but be my guest...

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 17:52

Originally posted by Vrm


Thanks,
I scrolled back and found the Mecom car that I mssed. Where can I find the Motor Sport photo report pic you mentioned?

Steve


Steve: Sorry, I don't know, the page was scanned for me but there is no date on it. The race was on August 3rd, so you are probably looking at either the September or October 1964 edition of Motor Sport.

Doug: Thanks for the pic; I don't suppose you have any of it after Hangsen stuffed it into the bank? I am trying to determine how badly damaged the car was after this accident, as it is the last recorded appearance I can find for the car...

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 20:19

Haven't got a neg showing it but I remember seeing it going into the bank at Clearways - right? I also recall seeing it being recovered to the paddock and my recollection is of a lot of torn bodywork and one side of the 19 being pretty bent but I was only 19, I didn't have an 'eye' for assessing damage then, much less remembering it. The impact could well have twisted the frame, but my gut feeling it that the damage was not really too bad. This was, however, a very old and outdated motor car by that time. Would it have been worth repairing?

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 22:05

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Haven't got a neg showing it but I remember seeing it going into the bank at Clearways - right? I also recall seeing it being recovered to the paddock and my recollection is of a lot of torn bodywork and one side of the 19 being pretty bent but I was only 19, I didn't have an 'eye' for assessing damage then, much less remembering it. The impact could well have twisted the frame, but my gut feeling it that the damage was not really too bad. This was, however, a very old and outdated motor car by that time. Would it have been worth repairing?

DCN


Good point! Perhaps the fact that it doesn't appear to have raced after this point would support this hypothesis...

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 15:14

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003


There is a photo of the O'Brien #48 car at Virginia in 1964 at the following webpage. Looks like 954:

http://www.racingspo...4-04-19-048.jpg

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Excerpt from the Race Report by Bill King, Sports Car Magazine June 1964,

"And finally, the highly successful Harrison Spl., entered by Fong Racing Team, showed up late Saturday evening minus driver Charlie Kolb. It seems Charlie had had some abscessed teeth removed and was still under the weather. The piloting chores fell to Jim O'Brien whose older brother Tom was entered in a 250 Dino Ferrari. With 17 major turns and two blistering straights over 3.2 miles, VIR is definitely a driver's course; and Jim with an unfamiliar car was in for a bad weekend. He managed only a couple of practice laps, and those by following the little fellows around in Sunday's first race"

and Frances Walker, Competition Press April 25, 1964,

O'Brien later took over his brother Jim's Lotus-Ford in class C and managed to finish it fourth over-all. this was the same car Charlie Kolb drove at Marlboro the prveious week, but Kolb couldn't make the jaunt to VIR.


Source: http://www.virhistor...4-apr/index.htm

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 18:48

As mentioned on another thread, David McKinney posted this link elsewhere:

http://www.sanzalang...galeria/album97

On page five, the second photo (photo number 50) shows the start of the 1963 Grande Prémio de Angola. Is that Charles Vögele in 956 on the front row?

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 18:55

Also, which Lotus 19 is this?

http://www.grandprix.....act Sheet.htm

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 22:19

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
Also, which Lotus 19 is this?

http://www.grandprix.....act Sheet.htm

Vince H.


The man tells me 963 in an e mail, saying a well known car with full history.

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 00:08

Originally posted by bradbury west


The man tells me 963 in an e mail, saying a well known car with full history.


Thanks, Roger. Here is 963 at Monterey this year...perhaps rebodied after the GP Classics photo? Or before?

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