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[gerrit stevens]

In Laurence Pomeroy's Grand Prix Book a few races are mentioned of which I have no specified results.

Page 31: A 1912 Grand Prix Lorraine Dietrich, driven by Szisz won the Anjou Race at 65.9 mph with three passengers.

Pages 34 and 136. 1916 Omaha races. Two winners are mentioned. The 150 mile race (a National Championship race) was won by Dario Resta. But there was also a 50 mile race non-championship race which was won by Ralph DePalma according to Pomeroy on July 16.
Dick Wallen's Board Track book gives also DePalma as winner of this race however on July 15. The race started 30 minutes after the 150 mile championship race.

Page 149: 3-Litre Championship at Brooklands. The 1922 T.T. Vauxhall is mentioned as the winner with an average speed of 97.8 mph.

Does anyone knows more about these races.


Gerrit Stevens

[Geoff E]

July 16th 1916 was a Sunday - still trying to work out what the 15th was ...

[Don Capps]

Originally posted by gerrit stevens
Pages 34 and 136. 1916 Omaha races. Two winners are mentioned. The 150 mile race (a National Championship race) was won by Dario Resta. But there was also a 50 mile race non-championship race which was won by Ralph DePalma according to Pomeroy on July 16.

Dick Wallen's Board Track book gives also DePalma as winner of this race however on July 15. The race started 30 minutes after the 150 mile championship race.
Gerrit Stevens

Gerrit,
Both races were run on the 15th of July, the 150-mile National Championship Trail event followed by the 50-miler.

National Championship Trail
Event Number Six

2nd Omaha Derby
Omaha Auto Speedway
Omaha, Nebraska
15 July 1916

Distance: 120 laps of 1.25-mile planked board oval speedway for 150.0 miles.
AAA Sanction No. 929
Promoter: The Auto Speedway Company
Starter: F.J. Wagner Referee: W.F. Kennedy
Attendance: 15,000

Despite leading over half of the laps of the race, from lap 9 through lap 80, Ralph Mulford finished second to Dario Resta, the Italo-Briton notching up yet another victory on the National Championship Trail. With Ralph De Palma suffering from tire problems and then having his engine fail, and Eddie Rickenbacher retiring after fouling his spark plugs and unable to challenge the Resta Peugeot, Resta was able to reel in the Peugeot of Mulford and add to his lead in the drivers’ championship.

The major incident of the event took place just past the halfway point when the Peusun Special of Aldo Franchi wrecked on lap 63. The car left the track and plunged to the ground, a drop of 15 feet. Although Franchi emerged with only minor injuries, his mechanician, Dan Colombo, died of his injuries.

Results
1st Dario Resta
No. 2 Peugeot Auto Import Company Peugeot Special Peugeot EX5
120 laps, 1 hr 30 min 43.88 sec, 99.194 mph, $3,000, 600 points

2nd Ralph Mulford
No. 1 Peugeot Special Peugeot
120 laps, 1 hr 31 min 56.24 sec, 97.893 mph, $1,500, 320 points

3rd Tom Milton
Duesenberg Special Duesenberg
120 laps, 1 hr 32 min 32.75 sec, 97.258 mph, $600, 170 points

4th Pete Henderson
Prest-O-Lite Racing Team Maxwell Special Maxwell
120 laps, 1 hr 40 min 06.27 sec, 89.906 mph, $400, 90 points

5th Mel Stringer
Mercer Special Mercer
120 laps, 1 hr 40 min 44.00 sec, 89.34 mph, 55 points

6th Art Klein
Kleinart Special King Duesenberg
106 laps, flagged

7th William Muller
Dans L’Argent Special Hudson
108 laps, out – withdrew

8th Ralph De Palma
No. 10 Mercedes Special Mercedes
87 laps, engine – valve spring cap

9th Hughie Hughes
Delage Special Delage
79 laps, burned bearings

10th Ira Vail
No. 5 Hudson Special Hudson
78 laps, run out of tires

11th Eddie Rickenbacher
No. 12 Prest-O-Lite Racing Team Maxwell Special Maxwell
76 laps, spark plugs

13th Jack Gable
Burman Special Peugeot Burman
76 laps, wrecked

14th Art Johnson
Crawford Special Crawford Duesenberg
73 laps, ignition

15th Billy Chandler
Crawford Special Crawford Duesenberg
68 laps, broken valve spring

16th Aldo Franchi (Dan Colombo)
Peusun Special Peugeot Sunbeam
63 laps crash – fatal injuries to Colombo

17th Wilbur D’Alene
No. 13 Duesenberg Special Duesenberg
30 laps, retired

18th Dave Lewis
Crawford Special Crawford Duesenberg
6 laps, engine – broken valve

Lap Leaders
Laps 1 thru 9 Dario Resta, Peugeot
Laps 10 thru 80 Ralph Mulford, Peugeot
Laps 81 thru 120 Dario Resta, Peugeot

Qualifying
1st Ralph Mulford, Peugeot
2nd Dario Resta, Peugeot
3rd Ralph De Palma, Mercedes
4th Wilbur D’Alene, Duesenberg
5th Eddie Rickenbacher, Maxwell
6th Dave Lewis, Crawford Duesenberg
7th Pete Henderson, Maxwell
8th Jack Gable, Peugeot Burman
9th Ira Vail, Hudson
10th Aldo Franchi, Peugeot Sunbeam
11th Hughie Hughes, Delage
12th Tom Milton, Duesenberg
13th Art Johnson, Crawford Duesenberg
14th Billy Chandler, Crawford Duesenberg
15th William Muller, Hudson
16th Art Klein, King Duesenberg
17th Mel Stringer, Mercer

Notes

From the Official Bulletin of the Contest Board, dated 31 July 1916:

To July 31st, Championship Award Events had been conducted at New York, May 13th; Indianapolis, May 30th; Chicago, June 11th; Des Moines, June 24th; Minneapolis, July 4th; and Omaha, July 15th. The standing of the drivers and cars follow:

Driver
Dario Resta 2,400 points
Ralph De Palma 1,670 points
E.V. Rickenbacher 770 points
Ralph Mulford 595 points
Josef Christiaens 540 points
Wilbur D’Alene 510 points
Pete Henderson 432 points
Jules Devigne 320 points
John Aitken 320 points
Thomas Milton 260 points
Ira Vail 220 points
E. O’Donnell 185 points
Dave Lewis 110 points
Frank Galvin 100 points
C.J. Devlin 90 points
Barney Oldfield 80 points
Earl Cooper 55 points
George Adams 55 points
Mel Stringer 55 points
Howard Wilcox 40 points
Billy Chandler 40 points
Bert Watson 35 points
M. Sorensen 35 points
Art Johnson 30 points
Jack Gable 30 points
Fred McCarthy 25 points
Ora Haibe 20 points
W.J. Muller 20 points

Cars
Peugeot Special 3,040 points
Mercedes Special 1,670 points
Maxwell Special 1,230 points
Dusenberg Special 1,025 points
Sunbeam Special 640 points
Delage Special 400 points
Hudson Special 280 points
Crawford Special 180 points
Stutz Special 55 points
Adams Special 55 points
Mercer Special 55 points
Hoskins Special 55 points
Premier Special 40 points
J.J.R. Special 35 points
Burman Special 30 points
Ostewig Special 20 points
Dans L’Argent Special 20 points

[Phil Harms]

Originally posted by gerrit stevens
In Laurence Pomeroy's Grand Prix Book a few races are mentioned of which I have no specified results.

Pages 34 and 136. 1916 Omaha races. Two winners are mentioned. The 150 mile race (a National Championship race) was won by Dario Resta. But there was also a 50 mile race non-championship race which was won by Ralph DePalma according to Pomeroy on July 16.
Dick Wallen's Board Track book gives also DePalma as winner of this race however on July 15. The race started 30 minutes after the 150 mile championship race.

Does anyone knows more about these races.


Gerrit Stevens

The non-champ results -- 50 miles/40 laps:

1 - DePalma - Mercedes #2 - 0:29:02.47 - 103.301 mph - $1,200
2 - Rickenbacker - Maxwell #5 - 0:30:01.65 - 99.908 - $600
3 - Henderson - Maxwell #4 - 0:30:07.16 - 99.604 - $400
4 - Lewis - Crawford.Dues #25 - 0:31:37.10 - 94.882 - $300
5 - Mel Stringer - Mercer - 0:32:51.40 - 91.306
6 - Milton - Duesenberg - 0:32:59.61 - 90.927
7 - Mulford - Hudson #10 - Out 24 laps, burned bearing
8 - Ken Rawlings - West Duluth/Dues - Out 23 laps - broken crankshaft
9 - Hughes - Delage - Out 16 laps

DePalma drove his 1915 Indpls 500 car

Source: Motor Age , Jul 20, 1916, page 14

Motor Age does not list Hughes; Val Harsnape in his AAA records has Hughes listed but not Rawlings.

The 50 mile race was begin 30 minutes after the completion of the 150 miler. Both on Jul 15th.

[robert dick]

29 July 1914 - roadrace near Angers - 370 km - for "touring cars" = mudguards + 4 seats/driver + 3 passengers :

1) Szisz (Lorraine-Dietrich) in 3 h 31' 06" (1912 GP Lorraine - 155/200 mm)
2) Antoine (Hispano-Suiza) in 3 58 57
3) Duray (Turcat-Méry) in 3 59 39
4) De Franck (Cottin-Desgouttes) in 4 00 19
5) Glazmann (Chenard & Walcker) in 4 04 41
6) Dauvergne (Chenard) in 4 10 51
7) Leduc (Aquila) in 4 10 52
8) Baratteau (Nazzaro) in 4 26 01
9) Bara (Hispano) in 4 27 06
10) Bignan (Grégoire) in 4 37 49
11) Sire (Rolland-Pilain) in 4 56 15
12 Molet (Scap) in 4 h 59' 54"

[gerrit stevens]

Originally posted by robert dick
29 July 1914 - roadrace near Angers - 370 km - for "touring cars" = mudguards + 4 seats/driver + 3 passengers :

1) Szisz (Lorraine-Dietrich) in 3 h 31' 06" (1912 GP Lorraine - 155/200 mm)
2) Antoine (Hispano-Suiza) in 3 58 57
3) Duray (Turcat-Méry) in 3 59 39
4) De Franck (Cottin-Desgouttes) in 4 00 19
5) Glazmann (Chenard & Walcker) in 4 04 41
6) Dauvergne (Chenard) in 4 10 51
7) Leduc (Aquila) in 4 10 52
8) Baratteau (Nazzaro) in 4 26 01
9) Bara (Hispano) in 4 27 06
10) Bignan (Grégoire) in 4 37 49
11) Sire (Rolland-Pilain) in 4 56 15
12 Molet (Scap) in 4 h 59' 54"

Thanks Robert. Do you also have the source.

Gerrit Stevens

[gerrit stevens]

Originally posted by Phil Harms


The non-champ results -- 50 miles/40 laps:

1 - DePalma - Mercedes #2 - 0:29:02.47 - 103.301 mph - $1,200
2 - Rickenbacker - Maxwell #5 - 0:30:01.65 - 99.908 - $600
3 - Henderson - Maxwell #4 - 0:30:07.16 - 99.604 - $400
4 - Lewis - Crawford.Dues #25 - 0:31:37.10 - 94.882 - $300
5 - Mel Stringer - Mercer - 0:32:51.40 - 91.306
6 - Milton - Duesenberg - 0:32:59.61 - 90.927
7 - Mulford - Hudson #10 - Out 24 laps, burned bearing
8 - Ken Rawlings - West Duluth/Dues - Out 23 laps - broken crankshaft
9 - Hughes - Delage - Out 16 laps

DePalma drove his 1915 Indpls 500 car

Source: Motor Age , Jul 20, 1916, page 14

Motor Age does not list Hughes; Val Harsnape in his AAA records has Hughes listed but not Rawlings.

The 50 mile race was begin 30 minutes after the completion of the 150 miler. Both on Jul 15th.

Thanks Phil


Gerrit Stevens

[robert dick]

Originally posted by gerrit stevens

Do you also have the source.

Source :
"The Motor"/London 1914.

[gerrit stevens]

Originally posted by gerrit stevens
In Laurence Pomeroy's Grand Prix Book a few races are mentioned of which I have no specified results.

Page 149: 3-Litre Championship at Brooklands. The 1922 T.T. Vauxhall is mentioned as the winner with an average speed of 97.8 mph.

Gerrit Stevens

With the first two races having been answered I am still left with the question, what was the result of 1922 3-litre race at Brooklands. I have only Pomeroy as resource.
The additional info Pomeroy gives about this race.
p. 141; "Later in the year at Brooklands, the Vauxhall easily beat the Sunbeam car, which had won the T.T. and lapped at 108 mph (standing lap 93.69), whereas the best lap put up by a 3-litre Sunbeam was 102.9 mph."

Additional info from page 149: the race was held in October 1922. The fastest lap speed 108.27 mph.


Gerrit Stevens

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by gerrit stevens



With the first two races having been answered I am still left with the question, what was the result of 1922 3-litre race at Brooklands. I have only Pomeroy as resource.
The additional info Pomeroy gives about this race.
p. 141; "Later in the year at Brooklands, the Vauxhall easily beat the Sunbeam car, which had won the T.T. and lapped at 108 mph (standing lap 93.69), whereas the best lap put up by a 3-litre Sunbeam was 102.9 mph."

Additional info from page 149: the race was held in October 1922. The fastest lap speed 108.27 mph.


Gerrit Stevens

Can't add much here, but here's some info from p.93 of Bill Boddy's "History of Brooklands Motor Course"


"Park's T.T. Vauxhall [won] that for 3-litre cars at 97.8mph".

Park seems to have arried in 1921 driving for a Mr Kidner...