Animals killed in motor racing
#1
Posted 05 February 2004 - 15:00
I saw or I read about a dozen of incidents of this kind. The last one involved a couple of 250 cc riders and seagull in the last World Championship round in Phillip Island. What should be done ?
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#2
Posted 05 February 2004 - 15:17
And Graham Hill massacred a wild cine camera at the Ring once ;P
#3
Posted 05 February 2004 - 15:25
Edward.
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 15:26
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 16:24
#7
Posted 05 February 2004 - 16:33
The next day he went testing his BRM on a humid, misty track. What did he hit? A pheasant ...
#8
Posted 05 February 2004 - 16:49
At the bike GP in 1984 I was spectating on the outside of the exit from Copse and the hare appeared during the 500cc race. He made a couple of feints to cross the track, which was very worrying, and then he went for it..........and was hit by the tarmac-scraping knee of the leader and eventual winner, Randy Mamola on a Honda NSR500.
That was a VERY near miss for Randy.............the body of the hare was flung up the track, and I seem to remember the riders just altered their lines to miss it until the end.
Paul
#9
Posted 05 February 2004 - 17:05
Or was Klenk - Kling merely the noise of said avian meeting gullwing at 150mph?
#10
Posted 05 February 2004 - 17:06
Originally posted by Macca
The regular sight at Silverstone was 'Harry the Hare' and it was just a matter of how long he'd last at each meeting.
Paul
There's some big hares at Croft, at last year's BTCC meeting they seemed to be trying to chase the cars through the hairpin!
Thinking of other animals that have perished at the hands of racing drivers - everything that Innes Ireland ever shot! - a man who very much enjoyed game hunting.
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 17:16
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 17:25
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 17:29
#14
Posted 05 February 2004 - 17:32
Originally posted by ensign14
Or was Klenk - Kling merely the noise of said avian meeting gullwing at 150mph?
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 17:45
#16
Posted 05 February 2004 - 17:53
One section of track was called Deer's Leap, and more than one accident occured when car met deer.
Was that how Deer Leap at Oulton Park got its name?
And as for how Knicker Brook came to be so called.............wild life isn't in it.
Paul
#17
Posted 05 February 2004 - 18:01
Originally posted by SEdward
Alan Stacey met a bird at Spa in 1960. He did not survive, I doubt that the bird did either.
Edward.
Eight years later Stacey's tragedy was almost repeated, when Lucien Bianchi - driving a Cooper-BRM - was hit in the face at full speed by a bird. As Doug Nye reports in "Cooper Cars", page 303, "he returned to the pits shaken and with blood and feathers in his helmet".
Bianchi nevertheless went back to the cockpit and raced that weekend, finishing his home grand prix in sixth place.
Another driver of those times also hit by a bird in the head was no one else than Jim Clark. Clark had such a scary moment at reputedly more than 300 km/h, on the descent to the Thillois hairpin during one of the practice sessions for the 1966 French GP at Reims. He was injured and withdrew from the race.
A few years ago Tommi Mäkkinen (someone please confirm it was him) destroyed his Mitsubishi during the Tour de Corse after hitting a cow. The animal was killed.
#18
Posted 05 February 2004 - 18:09
Originally posted by Macca
Was that how Deer Leap at Oulton Park got its name?
And as for how Knicker Brook came to be so called.............wild life isn't in it.
Paul
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#19
Posted 05 February 2004 - 18:21
Rob Parker
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 18:54
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 18:59
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 19:04
#23
Posted 05 February 2004 - 19:56
That's the incident mentioned in Post 2Originally posted by jgm
Stefan Johansson hit a deer in his McLaren during practice for the Austrian GP in 1987. There is a photo of the incident in that year's Autocourse. The deer was comprehensively dismantled and the car crashed heavily.
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 20:08
#25
Posted 05 February 2004 - 20:45
But the gulls were all gone, there had been hundreds of them. The rising crescendo of noise prior to the start hadn't moved them, nor the warm up lap, but when the clutches bit and the feet went to the floor, they lifted as one and disappeared.
There's a story about a BRM in 1957 or so, was that at Goodwood or Silverstone? It came in with a handling problem, they could see no reason, it went out again, came back in and the bone of a hare's leg was sticking through a part of the tread which had obviously been on the ground in the first stop.
A kangaroo darted in front of a Holden in the warm up for the Bathurst 1000 a few years ago... it escaped.
#26
Posted 05 February 2004 - 22:54
A friend of mine who did a lot of camping claims that when he got fed up with seagulls raiding his food stored under the tent flysheet, he put lumps of calcium carbide inside bits of bread and fed it to them.
I have no idea whether the story is true, but the image of exploding seagulls has stayed with me for thirty years.
Back on thread, wasn't there a series of photos of a motorcycle and a cobra at Sepang?
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 23:08
#28
Posted 05 February 2004 - 23:12
This was Jean Behra in the 1958 Grand Prix. Denis Jenkinson wrote "Behra had never really been in the hunt and lost interest after that, the car being withdrawn." He gave the reason for retirement as "flat tyre and driver deflated".Originally posted by Ray Bell
There's a story about a BRM in 1957 or so, was that at Goodwood or Silverstone? It came in with a handling problem, they could see no reason, it went out again, came back in and the bone of a hare's leg was sticking through a part of the tread which had obviously been on the ground in the first stop.
#29
Posted 06 February 2004 - 01:00
Magee
Westwood circuit was known for its deer. Many roamed the unsettled area of Eagle Mountain and wandered about the open circuit. One section of track was called Deer's Leap, and more than one accident occured when car met deer.
I hear tell that many years ago, a novice driver in a formula car, presumably taking his driving school, collected a deer on the back straight with fatal results to both. If true, it would be the most phoenominal bad luck for each. Subject to confirmation at the CMSHG.
Edit: the next day
Sad to relate confirmation of this appalling incident in a private email from a knowledgable source. No details will be discussed here.
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Posted 06 February 2004 - 07:44
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#32
Posted 06 February 2004 - 11:01
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Posted 06 February 2004 - 12:32
#34
Posted 06 February 2004 - 14:28
Autosport magazine ran a track test of a March 711 in late '71, when the tester had a bird carried over his head by the aerodynamics. Said bird then hit the roll-over bar with fatal results.
#35
Posted 06 February 2004 - 15:53
Originally posted by Hans Etzrodt
In 1931 during tests at Monza, Luigi Arcangeli killed a rabbit with his Alfa 8C Monza. This incident did not have any serious consequences to driver or car.
8C Monza or P2..?
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Posted 06 February 2004 - 15:54
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Posted 06 February 2004 - 16:14
#38
Posted 06 February 2004 - 16:15
In 2002 at the Brazilian GP a Williams, IIRC, was trapped by a falling kite and its string in the "Curva do Sol"; no damages at all but the car had to go to the pits anyway to be checked.
The kite itself was "killed" indeed, but I do not know if it applies for this thread.
#39
Posted 06 February 2004 - 16:26
During a similar trip at the same location a year later, we were reminiscing about that when we ran into a cloud of butterflies. It was suggested someone should put out the Insect Flag.
Frank S
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Posted 06 February 2004 - 18:07
#41
Posted 06 February 2004 - 18:17
Enzo Ferrari wrote in his book "Piloti, che gente" (sorry, I'don't know the translation of the title) that once he threw his racing car in a ditch to avoid a wandering setter ("a beautiful setter" he says).
#42
Posted 06 February 2004 - 18:32
BTW, Teapot, the English version of Ferrari's autobiography was titled 'My Terrible Joys' which is a long way from an exact translation of the Italian.
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Posted 06 February 2004 - 18:51
#44
Posted 06 February 2004 - 19:13
Let me tell you about the bear.
When Westwood was first opened, and for quite a number of years, the communication system consisted of landline telephone
booths. The club had (through the good offices of some members who worked for BC TEL) acquired some telephone booths and the
requisite amount of wire. The installation of all of this was accomplished by members of the club. There was even a switchboard in
the tower.
There were a few minor downsides to using the telephone system. For instance, our marshals station in Turn 3 was on the outside,
but the telephone booth and communicator was on the inside of the circuit. We had to yell or hand signal information across the
track, which is difficult in the middle of a race.
One other drawback is that the bears loved the telephone booths. One day the corner marshals were being delivered to their corners
and the crew from Turn 2 came back in straight away. When queried as to why they had returned, the Course Marshal was informed
that they wouldn't man the station at 2 until the very large black bear in the telephone booth was removed. Can't say I blame them.
#45
Posted 06 February 2004 - 19:29
Originally posted by D-Type
BTW, Teapot, the English version of Ferrari's autobiography was titled 'My Terrible Joys' which is a long way from an exact translation of the Italian .
I think we're talking about two different books... "My terrible Joys" is the exact translation for the Italian "Le mie gioie terribili", another one of the Old Man's books. Infact, the book I mentioned in my previous post it's not an autobiography, but rather a kind of list of pilots, each one "reviewed" by Ferrari himself. Thanks indeed!
And thanks to Ralliart, too...I think you gave me the correct title
#46
Posted 06 February 2004 - 20:05
I was helping marshall at a club sprint at Curborough once, when I had to deploy the red flag because of sheep running about the place. There were no upleasant incidents - and its hardly in the same league anyway!
#47
Posted 06 February 2004 - 22:34
I'm obviously having a bad day today. this is the second goof I've madeOriginally posted by Teapot
I think we're talking about two different books... "My terrible Joys" is the exact translation for the Italian "Le mie gioie terribili", another one of the Old Man's books. Infact, the book I mentioned in my previous post it's not an autobiography, but rather a kind of list of pilots, each one "reviewed" by Ferrari himself. Thanks indeed!
And thanks to Ralliart, too...I think you gave me the correct title
My excuse: The gundog story is in 'My Terrible Joys' as well.
#48
Posted 07 February 2004 - 08:11
Rally drivers have been quite deadly in reducing the populatyion of feral animals. I remeber Carlos Sainz once but down a vicious feral sheep that was on the point of attack his Ford Escort. Where else but New Zealand.....
The late great Possum Bourne got his name for NOT killing animals, supposedly. The story goes he wrecked a car in his teens while avoiding a possum on NZ's backroads while still an apprentice mech. He never confirmed the veracity of the tale, content to let the urban myth float around him. Now we'll never know.
Ray, you sure it was a Commodore that vicoius feral Kangaroo attacked? I thought it was Cam McLeans ST BMW that just missed the curious 'roo.
Andy Rouse slayed a poor innocent but again still viciously feral dog at Bathurst in '87 in Moffats Sierra. Cue South Park.... look at the cute bunny rabbit...... ITS COMING RIGHT FOR US!
Troy Corser plastered a seagull across the breaking zone into Doohan Corner on Gardner Straight during an Australian Superbike Grand Prix. He won the other race that weekend.
A King Cobra menaced riders at Sepang once. A seagull is one thing, and even though they're airborn and all...... a bloody COBRA! Yeeeoowch!! Someone ran over it, and nobody got bit, but still your leaning into a corner and theres a twig racing towards, that suddenly fans its fins into full Cobretic glory.......
#49
Posted 07 February 2004 - 12:34
It was during Canadian GP 1990, lap 15 while Nannini was third. After this accident, Nannini broke his front left flap and front left tyre blown, so he had to go back to pits and he restarted 21th. Few laps later he retired because of another accident. Of course the marmot was much more unluck!Originally posted by Teapot
Alessandro Nannini collected a marmot with his Benetton during Montreal's qualifying session (or it was in practice?) in 1989 (or it was 1990? Mmm...severe brain-fade here!).
At 1st Gran Premio d'Italia Enzo Ferrari (Brescia Montichiari, September 1921) had an accident because he tried to avoid some cows that were standing on the track during practice. After that, he had to retire from this GP.
(source: a Word file in Italian with 1st Italy GP history that can be dowloaded from here)
Ciao,
Guido
#50
Posted 07 February 2004 - 16:29