Posted 05 February 2004 - 16:45
(I am not sure if I should add the image tags due to some rules in here so I added the url tags)
This photo was posted at the AlphaF1.com forums. I am trying to help out this member to identify the photograph.
For some reason, I keep thinking it is at the Boxberg test facility but I got doubts.
So can anyone simply tell me where the photo was taken. Plus some additional information would be great as well.
Posted 05 February 2004 - 20:14
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Posted 05 February 2004 - 22:50
Multimap shows six Boxbergs in Germany (including the one on the road from Gerolstein)
Originally posted by 2F-001
We usually pass by Boxberg, on he way to the 'Ring - if it's the same one. I didn't realise there was a test track there. Is there any to see for the public?
Posted 05 February 2004 - 23:52
The site is here and has an interesting movie with old footages at the beginning.
No bricks banking tough...
Posted 06 February 2004 - 03:45
But I don't know the track well enough to confirm the photo was definitely taken there.
Posted 06 February 2004 - 07:23
But getting back to the picture:
I'm not sure I explained myself clearly - the pic. I referred to in the Frère/Weitmann book is the same photo - I've no doubt that it is taken at Unterturkeheim - close, I am told - to a D-B facility and museum near Stuttgart.
A friend recalls staying next door in his camper van, when as an automotive design student, he was visiting the car plants and design studios in Germany. He describes the trees and the setting and finding somewhere to climb up scaffolding and peer over the fence before getting thrown out!
The later versions of C111 did, indeed, set a host of records at Nardo, which all the pictures I've seen show as being rather "flatter''. The protoype and earlier versions of the car (rotary-engined) did a fair bit of running at Unterturkheim and also at Nurburgring and Hockenheim. The later versions were what we might think of as out-and-out speed record machines or oval-specials.
The Frère book has loads of details on the various C111s and lots of great pictures, if you're interested in that sort of thing.
Posted 07 February 2004 - 11:39
I just remembered why I mentioned Boxberg because of on a the front cover of a fairly recent Motorsport issue of a Bosch sponsored yellow Porsche that was at the Boxberg facility.
Posted 07 February 2004 - 17:03
No doubt serious work has been carried out at Unterturkheim, but the reality when you visit the place is less than majestic.
Posted 09 February 2004 - 11:50
The car in bigears' picture looks like the C111-II - reading the article, that never seems to have run at Nardo, which was used for the record runs in the C111-III. There are also several other testing pictures, presumably at Unterturkheim, showing the original C111. One thing which makes me wonder though is that the steep banking is being run clockwise, while the Bolide pictures seem to show an anti-clockwise layout. Is there more than one track there?
Posted 09 February 2004 - 13:40
Posted 09 February 2004 - 13:50
Originally posted by Vitesse2
One thing which makes me wonder though is that the steep banking is being run clockwise, while the Bolide pictures seem to show an anti-clockwise layout. Is there more than one track there?
They use the Unterturkheim track in both directions - though at different times....
Posted 09 February 2004 - 16:30
The Nardo circuit from above.
Posted 10 February 2004 - 00:06
The pic looks like a Mercedes C111 of some description.
Here's my question for those of you who know a lot more than myself:
Did Keke Rosberg ever test a C111 that had either, a twin turbo diesel or, more probably, a four rotor wankel that was too darned fast for the era? I'm thinking said car did something like 220 mph during a timed lap.
I KNOW I read something about this, in about 1983. I am old, these days, and my brain is more addled than even then.
Can anyone confirm or deny my claim?
Posted 10 February 2004 - 01:05
ARVW (1980) 6 Zyl.Turbo-Diesel, 175 PS, 362 km/h (yes actually something like 220mph ;) )
It was driven by Keke Rosberg - at Nardo btw.
The ARVW (Aerodynamic Research Volkswagen) set two world records, and seven class records, for diesel vehicles at the high-speed track in Nardo, Italy. The fastest lap was completed at a speed of 362.07 km/h. This experiment was designed to provide detailed information on the effects of aerodynamics on fuel consumption at high speeds. The drag coefficient of the ARVW, the "Silver Cigar," is 0.15. The test concluded that the vehicle consumed 6 liters per 100 km, at 250 km/h, and at top speed, 13.61 liters per 100 km. In comparison, renowned sports cars required 38 liters of fuel for 100 km.
Posted 13 February 2004 - 07:34
I was at Stuttgart this week and looked for the test track at Untertürkheim. You can't see very much, I believe DaimlerChrysler is not interested for taking pictures of the test track...
The turn at Nardo is not as high as the one at Untertürkheim. At Untertürkheim there is a speed limt of 120 km/h, because it is very dangerous, the forces which are working to the car are very high...