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#1 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 06 February 2004 - 23:22

Here's a great Can-Am picture, can anyone tell me where this was taken?

http://home.arcor.de...ife_2/canam.jpg


Anyone got any more of such great shots?

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#2 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 06 February 2004 - 23:44

...on September 3, 1967.

Absolute fabulous picture.

Safety standards were somewhat different then, I guess!

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#3 VAR1016

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Posted 06 February 2004 - 23:52

Originally posted by Jesper O. Hansen
...on September 3, 1967.

Absolute fabulous picture.

Safety standards were somewhat different then, I guess!

Jesper


Yes indeed! Proper cars, proper racing, proper track.

Lovely stuff :up: :up:

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#4 jm70

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Posted 06 February 2004 - 23:58

I was there, what a great place. Had a 1967 VW Bettle, was before I moved to California, and got involved in working the races.

#5 Lotus23

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 00:22

Terrific photo, Rob!

While I never saw the Big Guys run at Elkhart Lake, I did get to see 'em at Riverside, Las Vegas, Bridgehampton and Road Atlanta, so hardly consider myself shortchanged. Even F1 didn't stir my soul the way those cars/drivers did. Really scary stuff; really wonderful memories.

Hard to realize it was so long ago...

#6 Buford

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 00:48

That uphill area is called "Thunder Valley."

#7 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 01:02

Nothing will ever replace the original CanAm. I only got to see a few races (Riverside, Laguna Seca, Road Atlanta) but I will never forget them.

Jack

#8 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 10:37

Thanks for the replies guys. Here's a high resolution version of the pic:

http://home.arcor.de.../canam_high.jpg


21 Can-Am cars, if only pictures could contain sound.......

#9 2F-001

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 11:05

Wow!

1967 must be right, with the pair of M6As up front.
So, that would be an early incarnation of 2G (rather than a 2E) mid-field.
I don't think there was a CanAm round (or, consequently, any 2Es) there in '66.

#10 dolomite

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 11:15

That pic is from the December 2001 issue of Motor Sport. It heads up a 20 page article on the history of Can-Am, with lots more great pictures.

#11 Frank de Jong

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 11:22

... and I like the Camaro SS in front- I used to have a Corgi model car like that one.

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 11:34

.... and a Mustang with four passengers in the lead! Man, they must have been fast cars :eek:

#13 VAR1016

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 11:53

Originally posted by soubriquet
.... and a Mustang with four passengers in the lead! Man, they must have been fast cars :eek:



:rotfl: :up:

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#14 David McKinney

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 11:59

Mustang?
I don't see any Mustang :cool:

#15 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 12:11

Originally posted by 2F-001
Wow!

1967 must be right, with the pair of M6As up front.
So, that would be an early incarnation of 2G (rather than a 2E) mid-field.
I don't think there was a CanAm round (or, consequently, any 2Es) there in '66.


Thanks to Martin Krejcis homepage http://wsrp.wz.cz/canam.html, I'm pretty sure it's 1967. By his account the front row is #4 Bruce McLaren and #5 Denny Hulme, fifth row #66 Jim Hall (and a 2G) and #11 Lothar Motschenbacher.

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 12:49

A fantastic picture!! :)

Is that Stirling Moss driving the pace car?

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 13:07

Originally posted by Kojima_KE007
Is that Stirling Moss driving the pace car?


Yep, that's Moss. He was the Can-Am spokesperson and from the looks of it, the defacto pace driver.


Too bad we'll probably never see an "unrestricted" class of racing like Can-Am again. Makes you wonder what sort of machinery those regulations would produce in this day and age.

#18 soubriquet

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 13:55

Originally posted by David McKinney
Mustang?
I don't see any Mustang :cool:


Ok, Ok. With my Italian car background, I've always found it hard to tell a Chevy from a Ford. ;)

#19 Don Capps

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 14:35

In the Chevrolet Camero SS Z-28 Pace Car is Stirling Moss and various journos and officials.....

It is indeed Road America, "Thunder Valley," Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin, 3 September 1967, the first Can-Am of the Season.

----- Brett Lunger, McLaren M1B
----- Ludwig Heimrath, McLaren M1B
Bill Eve, Lola T70 -- Roger McCluskey, Lola T70
John Cannon, McLaren M1B -- Frank Matich, Matich SR3R
Sam Posey, Caldwell D7 -- Skip Barber, McLaren M1B
Jerry Hansen, McLaren M1C -- Don Morin, McLaren M1C
Skip Scott, McLaren M1C -- Charlie Hayes, McKee Mk 7
Jim Hall, Chaparral 2G -- Lothar Motschenbacher, Lola T70
John surtees, Lola T70 -- Pete Revson, Lola T70
Mark Donohue, Lola T70 -- Charlie Parsons, McLaren M1C
Dan Gurney, Lola T70 -- George Follmer, Lola T70
Bruce McLaren, Mclaren M6A -- Denis Hulme, McLaren M6A

Left to right, front to rear as in in the picture

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#20 jj2728

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 14:40

it IS 1967.....what a great series the can-am was.......a small rulebook, big engines, great cars, and world class drivers....i saw a few races at mid-ohio and watkins glen.....those were the days...

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 15:01

I guess the CAN-AM thing caught my eye...way way up here in Edmonton,Alberta,Canada..we were fortunate to have this series visit us a few times!! We lived a couple miles from the track and you could hear the cars practicing...awesome cars..great drivers and a great show!!..
http://www.racingcir...l/Edmonton.html

spent a lot of weekends doing kart enduro races here also. :clap: ..I guess pretending we were DennieHulme or Bruce McLaren..but mostly pretending I was EmmersonFittipaldi...without the orange plantation!!! :smoking:

#22 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 15:26

Originally posted by Don Capps
In the Chevrolet Camero SS Z-28 Pace Car is Stirling Moss and various journos and officials.....


Don - I don't think that is a Z-28 - but it is an SS and judging from the hood bulge it likely has the 396 'porcupine' engine fitted. I drove quite a few of those Camaros of that era and while the Z-28's were the nicest - the 396 SS had more pure 'go' than any of them. It was too big a lump to be very fast off the line, but from 60 to 120 mph it was as fast as anything I have ever driven. As in take your breath away fast! The 396 also had pronounced understeer and was a handful on real twisty roads and lanes - but on fast bends the understeer was OK and on the right road that car was as much fun as you could have. Anyway - that's how I remember it!

#23 ReWind

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 15:41

Originally posted by dolomite
That pic is from the December 2001 issue of Motor Sport. It heads up a 20 page article on the history of Can-Am, with lots more great pictures.

It was published before in Pete Lyons' 1995 book "Can-Am", page 158, and there is credited to the author himself.

#24 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 15:49

September 3, 1967 - the opening round of the second year of Can-Am

I have always asumed that the late starting of 1966, could be down to a late start of the organisation of the series.

But why was the second edition of the series so late in the year?

1967, the first year of the Chevrolet Camaro.

Jesper

#25 Don Capps

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 15:55

Mike,

I looked but did not see.... :blush:

Yes, that has got to be one of the SS 396 cars and if that is indeed a Michigan license plate, it may have been one prepared to be a tad "special" by the friendly folks at the General Motors Chevrolet Division.... My cousin was the Chevy Guy in the family -- okay, my uncle had a dealership so perhaps that was a bit of an influence.... Tom had a very nice Z-28 which he kept forever and several years ago bought back his Dad's SS 396 to go with the the Malibu SS 396 and 454's he has in the garage.

#26 rdrcr

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 16:25

Mike & Don,

Yes that might very well be a special car... note the Lexan hood scoop and what appears to be an early edition of the Pontiac style hood tach - those fog/driving lamps look to be add-ons as well. I wonder what happened to all those cars? I suppose many were wrapped around the local trees by sons of the corporate owners.

When you think about talent in driving, we are looking at cars with 500 plus hp on tap and quite wide for the tarmac of the day. It must have taken real nerve and skill with side-by-side racing, flying down the back straight, through the kink, the most scary part of that track at well over 160.

#27 rdrcr

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 16:34

It appears that the cover photo was taken by Pete Lyons. Here is a link to more of his work - you'll notice that the photo is shown in his collection.

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 16:52

I've got current pictures of a couple of those cars, taken at the same track. Doesn't look too different, or at least I can convince myself of that!
-William

#29 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 17:21

Originally posted by Jesper O. Hansen
September 3, 1967 - the opening round of the second year of Can-Am

I have always asumed that the late starting of 1966, could be down to a late start of the organisation of the series.

But why was the second edition of the series so late in the year?

1967, the first year of the Chevrolet Camaro.

Jesper



The CanAm grew out of the traditional fall series of road races in the U.S. and Canada that evolved in the late 50's and grew in importance in to the early 60's. It was - creating a series I mean to say - to an extent media driven. There was an unofficial Can Am series in 1965 but I can't think just now without looking it up which publication was hyping it. Could have been Car&Driver or maybe it was Competition Press. But the point here - and the answer to your question - is that it was originally conceived as formalizing the major fall races in to a series. And, of course, the name CanAm became magic and, among other things, cars that in their day were referred to as Group 7 cars - are now almost exclusively referred to as "Can Am' cars. The same cars - for the most part (at least the domestic teams) - were also running in the USRRC which covered the earlier part of the year. But Can Am was magic as a marketing brand and all the organizers wanted one. And so the USRRC was ultimately rolled in to the Can Am to create a series that encompassed more than the fall races. But, no, it wasn't because the series was late in being organized.

#30 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 17:30

Originally posted by rdrcr
Mike & Don,

Yes that might very well be a special car... note the Lexan hood scoop and what appears to be an early edition of the Pontiac style hood tach - those fog/driving lamps look to be add-ons as well. I wonder what happened to all those cars? I suppose many were wrapped around the local trees by sons of the corporate owners.


I don't know what the deal was at Elkhart Lake or elsewhere but at Watkins Glen we had cars from Ford through 1967 and Chevrolet Division of GM beginning in 1968. When the cars would go back at the end of the year they would first be offered to my father at an attractive price. And sometimes he would buy them because, as Richard suggests, some of them were very special indeed. But, no, I only wrapped one or two around trees - to say 'many' is just not fair!

#31 jm70

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 20:26

The following year I moved to California, and married a girl who had a 67 Camaro RS/SS with the 350. The paint was the same as this pace car, and it was a convert. It was fast, but my heart was in another place, and I sold it to get a BMW 1600. The Camaro was fast, but we could get from LA to Vegas faster in the BMW. As some might remember there was no speed limit in Nevada at the time, and you could make good time in California if you watched your mirrors!
The BMW would cruise at just under 100, the Camaro would run quite a bit faster, but not nearly as stable at speed, seemed to "float" or "wander". Also had to stop for gas in the Chevy.
Anybody else remember the shift linkage on these things.? Should have bought a Hurst, but the stock linkage would bind up, and you had to take a 1/2 inch wrench and free up the rods, and move them on the trans, then tighten it back up.
I thought it was pretty cool, even so, then I went up to Mullholland Drive one afternoon. The Porsche 1600's, and BMW's killed me, then the linkage fell off!
Now the sad part. Sold that car for about 1300.00 in 1969, to get another BMW. Sure wish I had kept it when you look at the current value. I do still have the original dealer warranty card for that car, here somewhere.

#32 Duncan Fox

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 05:57

Mike and Don, That was indeed a " special " Camaro It was a GM styling unit on Loan. Somewhere I have a article on that car , Ill see if I can find it. That has to be the best track in the USA .A wonderful era of racing that I am involved with today, preserving some of the cars and memories of those who ran and drove them.

#33 Viss1

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 15:52

Originally posted by Duncan Fox
Mike and Don, That was indeed a " special " Camaro It was a GM styling unit on Loan. Somewhere I have a article on that car , Ill see if I can find it.

Very interested to find out why it required that hood scoop.

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 05:59

:) Just lookihg at this list there seems to be 12 names that where not listed before on this thread.
And a Question anybody have a photo of MARIO 's great car listed at the bottom??
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Canadian-American Challenge Cup Round: 1

Can-Am Road America
Road America Can-Am, Road America Circuit, Elkhart Lake Date: 3.9.1967

Started: 33
Classified: 21

Circuit lenght: 6,437 km Race distance: 321,869 km Winner's average speed: 168,102 km/h

Fastest lap: Denny Hulme No. 5 McLaren M6A Chevrolet 2:14,9 171,791 km/h

Pos. No. Driver / Nationality Car Entrant Laps Time/retired Pos. Group Pos. Practice
1. 5 Denny Hulme (NZ) McLaren M6A Chevrolet M6A/2 Bruce McLaren Motor Racing 50 1:54:53,000 2. 2:12,700
2. 6 Mark Donohue (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3B Chevrolet SL75/124 Roger Penske 50 1:56:26,000 5. 2:15,800
3. 7 John Surtees (GB) Lola T70 Mk.3B Chevrolet SL75/123 Team Surtees 50 1:56:50,000 7. 2:16,900
4. 66 Jim Hall (USA) Chaparral 2G Chevrolet 2G001 Chaparral Cars Inc. 49 9. 2:17,400
5. 91 Skip Scott (USA) McLaren M1C Chevrolet 40-03 Drummond Racing 49 11. 2:18,900
6. 44 Jerry Hansen (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet Jerry Hansen 48 13. 2:20,000
7. 14 Skip Barber (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet 30-12 Skip Barber 48 16. 2:21,300
8. 13 Bud Morley (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet Bud Morley 48 26. 2:26,600
9. 11 Lothar Motschenbacher (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 Chevrolet SL73/114 Dana Chevrolet Racing 47 10. 2:18,600
10. 25 Charlie Hayes (USA) McKee Mk.7 Oldsmobile 47 12. 2:19,800
11. 15 Jerry Entin (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet 47 27. 2:26,600
12. 31 Brooke Doran (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet 46 23. 2:25,300
13. 24 Bob Nagel (USA) McKee Mk.7 Chevrolet 46 28. 2:26,800
14. 2 Brett Lunger (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet Caldwell Autodynamics 46 24. 2:25,700
15. 79 Ross Greenville Lola T70 Mk.3 Chevrolet SL73/120 46 31. 2:29,800
16. 28 Dick Brown (USA) McLaren M1B Ford 46 30. 2:27,500
17. 12 Roger McCluskey (USA) Lola T70 Chevrolet 45 20. 2:23,700
18. 16 George Follmer (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 Chevrolet SL73/104 Roger Penske Racing 44 4. 2:15,700
19. 78 Jerry Grant (USA) Lola T70 Mk.2 Chevrolet SL71/46 All American Racers 43 25. 2:26,300
20. 41 Ron Courtney (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet 42 32. 2:29,900
21. 39 Ludwig Heimrath (CDN) McLaren M1B Chevrolet Heimrath Racing 38 22. 2:25,200
Did not finish:
22. 33 John Cannon (CDN) McLaren M1B Chevrolet 43 Blown engine 17. 2:21,400
23. 57 John Cordts (CDN) McLaren M1C Chevrolet 42 Blown engine 21. 2:24,600
24. 19 Gary Wilson (USA) McLaren M1B Chevrolet 38 Blown engine 29. 2:27,300
25. 26 Chuck Parsons (USA) McLaren M1C Chevrolet 31 Ring & Pinion 6. 2:16,600
26. 36 Dan Gurney (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3B Ford SL75/122 All-American Racers 26 Gear selector 3. 2:14,400
27. 87 Frank Matich (AUS) Matich SR3R Repco Brabham Frank Matich 15 Stone in radiator 18. 2:22,100
28. 76 Bill Eve (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 Chevrolet 7 Broken oil line 19. 2:22,200
29. 4 Bruce McLaren (NZ) McLaren M6A Chevrolet M6A/1 Bruce McLaren Motor Racing 6 Oil leak, bearings 1. 2:12,600
30. 37 Don Morin McLaren M1C Chevrolet 5 Unknown 14. 2:21,000
31. 52 Peter Revson (USA) Lola T70 Mk.3 Chevrolet SL73/119 Dana Chevrolet Racing 3 Left rear suspension 8. 2:17,200
32. 1 Sam Posey (USA) Caldwell D7 Chevrolet D7/01 Caldwell Autodynamics 2 Broken half shaft 15. 2:21,000
Did not start:
- Fred Pipin (USA) McKee Mk.6 Chevrolet Cracked drive shaft
17 Mario Andretti (USA) Honker II Ford Holman & Moody Uncompetitive 2:29,900
24 Hugh Powell (USA) Lola T70 Mk.2 Chevrolet Broken oil line

#35 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 06:39

When it comes to Can-Am...

This thread says it all!

Great picture, truly great picture. Great memories, particularly from Mike. And no, it can never return... what a pity!

#36 Ninja2

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 10:32

On the general subject of Can-Am, does anyone know if there is a website anywhere that has a copy of the regulations used at the time? Ive always heard about how thin the rule book was, but wouldnt mind checking it out for myself.

And Im still living in hope that someone has in car footage from some of those beasts....I doubt it of course, but hope springs eternal!

Cb

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 12:17

I L0VE THIS PH0T0 0F SIR STIRING, 1,000's & 1,000's 0F BHP BEHIND HIM, AND IF I'M C0RRECT? IT SEEMS HIS LEFT ARM IS RESTING 0N THE T0P 0F THE D00R, / RIGHT HAND 0N THE WHEEL AND ENTERING A VERY FAST C0RNER / 5 PE0PLE IN THE CAR / READY T0 START A RACE, 0F THE FASTEST CARS IN THE W0RLD, [ AT THAT TIME] , TRUEY AMAZING! HE IS THE MISTR0, AS THEY SAY/ PR0BABLY HAS THE RADI0 BLASTING T00/ kidding :up:

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 18:14

Originally posted by eldougo
:)
And a Question anybody have a photo of MARIO 's great car listed at the bottom??

...

17 Mario Andretti (USA) Honker II Ford Holman & Moody Uncompetitive 2:29,900


http://WWW.VINTAGERPM.COM/ra30p02.jpg

Photos were taken at Road America during the Can-Am 30th Reunion celebration in 1996.

After driving the car, Mario supposedly told Paul Newman that Paul should drive and they should put Mario's name on the nose. Mario was not fond of the Honker II.

#39 Don Capps

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 19:43

Originally posted by eldougo
Just lookihg at this list there seems to be 12 names that where not listed before on this thread


I only identifed the cars visible in the picture.

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 18:14

Does anyone know anything about George Katsu and his amazing Imai A1, I know it had a Ford V8 4.7 l engine q19 and retired at Fuji in 1968, had it been seen before or since ?


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Posted 17 August 2010 - 01:30

:) a Question anybody have a photo of MARIO 's great car listed at the bottom??

17 Mario Andretti (USA) Honker II Ford Holman & Moody Uncompetitive 2:29,900


Not sure where Mario is here ?

A shot of the cockpit.

Mario in the cockpit with Paul Newman standing along side.

Mario at speed Riverside.

His car is seen at Riverside here including some contemporary pics showing it as it is today.

A recent picture of the Honker II in action.




#42 Marc Sproule

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 02:20

"Not sure where Mario is here ?"

According to the description at the bottom of the page the snap was taken at Riverside in '67.

Much to my chagrin now, I saw the original CanAm only a few times at Laguna Seca. Seeing those cars there was one of the factors that sucked me into the world of motorsport.

Wasn't a photog then but if you're interested, here's the link to the "new era" snaps I have on flickr. Eventually there will be a lot more.

http://www.flickr.co...57623311345506/



#43 Marc Sproule

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 03:52

I've finally gotten around to adding more new era pics to my Can Am set....

http://www.flickr.co...57623311345506/

All my sets....

http://www.flickr.co...81980@N03/sets/

#44 JacnGille

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 00:06

I've finally gotten around to adding more new era pics to my Can Am set....

http://www.flickr.co...57623311345506/

As if I didn't already have plenty to do. :cool:
Thanks Marc! :up:

#45 Marc Sproule

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:21

As if I didn't already have plenty to do.


Does that mean I shouldn't tell you that I have about 3 dozen old champ car pics to upload if I don't fall asleep before I get around to it this evening?


#46 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:20

:lol:

Go for it, Marc!


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 12:59

Does that mean I shouldn't tell you that I have about 3 dozen old champ car pics to upload if I don't fall asleep before I get around to it this evening?

Great, now you spoiled the surprise! :cool:

#48 Marc Sproule

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 02:34

There are some new additions to my photostream, with Can Am being the newest and a few Atlantic in-car, helmet on mug shots. There's F5000 stuff too and a few from right here in Surf City....

http://www.flickr.co...s/46681980@N03/

#49 JacnGille

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 13:09

:up:

#50 zoff2005

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 16:25

These photos of the 1967 Can Am races at Mosport and Road America are fascinating. I have been spending hours sifting through them - and even found a photo of myself!

Photos are by Dave Friedman.

http://www.flickr.co...57629995123277/