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#51 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 19:27

Indeed, and those who have ever lost a parent will understand the happiness of finding a previously unseen image of a passed father...

http://www.flickr.co...157629995123277

Edited by Nigel Beresford, 08 June 2012 - 19:28.


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#52 E1pix

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 21:54

Wow, Congrats Nigel. How cool is that?

#53 arttidesco

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 23:44

Photos are by Dave Friedman.


Top find :up:

http://www.flickr.co...57629995123277/

Does anyone have any ideas what the motor in the linked photo is or who was running it ?

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 23:53

Top find :up:

http://www.flickr.co...57629995123277/

Does anyone have any ideas what the motor in the linked photo is or who was running it ?


It's a 6 cylinder air-cooled turbocharged Corvair :smoking:

#55 arttidesco

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 01:08

It's a 6 cylinder air-cooled turbocharged Corvair :smoking:


Thanks :up:

Was that ever used in Can Am ?

#56 Duc-Man

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 09:59

It looks much more like a formula car than a sports car. Doing a quick search through my can-am books didn't return any results.
Has anybody the program for that race to look it up?

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 14:20

Indeed, and those who have ever lost a parent will understand the happiness of finding a previously unseen image of a passed father...

http://www.flickr.co...157629995123277


I think he is in a lot of the photos - have a look through the ones for Road America as well. There are a lot of portraits there.
Incidentally you can add comments to the photos (I did for the ones I found of myself).
Happy hunting!
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Posted 09 June 2012 - 14:30

This link gets you to the whole Friedman collection - I can see now how I am going to spend this week-end!
Marcus

http://www.flickr.co...57629285908857/


#59 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 16:41

Thanks. This is a favourite, from Las Vegas '68:

Feigning ignorance of world famous movie star?...Check!
Cigarette?... Check!
Champers?... Check!
Car won the race?..... Check!
Driver won the Championship?... Check!

It just doesn't get any better than this.....

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#60 JacnGille

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 23:22

^ James Garner looks like he's already had his turn with the bottle. :drunk:

#61 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 23:52

Wish I'd thought of that.

#62 JacnGille

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 14:52

The man on the far left looks very familiar. Anyone got his name???

#63 David McKinney

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 17:16

Troy Donahue?

#64 Marc Sproule

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 01:39

Troy Donahue?


That was my thought too. Not a whole lot of confidence in it though. Doesn't look tall enough to me.




#65 E1pix

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:20

Definitely not Troy Donahue.

#66 biercemountain

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 15:32

Were there particular fuel requirements for Group 7 cars? If not, did anyone experiment with their own cocktails?



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Posted 18 February 2014 - 15:40

Were there particular fuel requirements for Group 7 cars? If not, did anyone experiment with their own cocktails?

No except it had to test as gasoline, no oxygen bearing components.

 

This board has become pretty much Euro-centric so be patient there are still a few here with more detailed knowledge I think.

 

The USAC sports car series and the USRRC pretty much created the Canadian-Amereican Challenge Cu[ so check into those also.

 

The last Group 7 race at Mosport in1965 set the tone for what they hoped the Can-Am would be but sadly never really was.


Edited by Bob Riebe, 18 February 2014 - 15:45.


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 06:55

over 200 "new era" pics now. still more to come.

 

https://www.flickr.c...57623311345506/

 

recent additions to a number of sets.

 

all my sets........

 

https://www.flickr.c...81980@N03/sets/



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:42

Nice photos, but I've long considered the series post 1974 to be 'son' of Can Am and a poor relation to the original. Just MHO.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 15:32

 

The last Group 7 race at Mosport in1965 set the tone for what they hoped the Can-Am would be but sadly never really was.

 

That would have been almost impossible to match. I saw most of the big races at Mosport, and that was the most thrilling one for sure.

Jim Hall was delayed at the beginning and lost a full lap to the field (relying on not perfect memory here, so bear with me) but rejoined to consistently break the lap record. He caught up to Bruce McLaren near the end and they dueled at the limit right to  the checker, Hall just ahead.

Such was their pace that they lapped the field several times, the record says Pedro Rodriguez was 5 laps down in 3rd. I didn't think he was that far behind, but I saw the leading pair nudge him aside at Moss corner. I have always believed Bruce dawdled too much in letting Hall catch up, but maybe he simply felt like a go. The following Can Am races while spectacular, were not quite so competitive. 



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 17:54

Nice photos, but I've long considered the series post 1974 to be 'son' of Can Am and a poor relation to the original. Just MHO.

 

thank you.

 

i agree about it not being the real thing. it was still a pretty decent series.

 

no 917s though. or mclarens, etc.

 

:(



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 20:51

Mid-Ohio 1969

Copyright JAG

 

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#73 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 21:57

D28...

 

That pretty much jives with my recollection of events at the 1965 Canadian GP @ Mosport.  I was spectating on the outfield of T1.  Fabulous race with Hall's splendid drive through the field.  Witnessed Herbie Swan's lovely little Elva-BMW burn to the waterline directly in front of me.  He got out in time.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 23:51

D28...

 

That pretty much jives with my recollection of events at the 1965 Canadian GP @ Mosport.  I was spectating on the outfield of T1.  Fabulous race with Hall's splendid drive through the field.  Witnessed Herbie Swan's lovely little Elva-BMW burn to the waterline directly in front of me.  He got out in time.

 

Do you really think Rodriguez was 5 laps behind, as the records now state ( 2 of them I consulted} Hall and McLaren were miles faster than everyone, but Pedro was a bit of a Mosport specialist himself. I thought he was 1 lap in arrears, but coming on 50 years can't say for certain.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 09:50

D28...

 

HI, there.  I can't specifically recall that Bruce & Jim were so much faster that they each totally eclipsed Pedro and others but in looking at this page...

 

http://wsrp.ic.cz/canadasc1965.html

 

..., information presented re qualifying shows that McLaren was some 3.5 seconds/lap up on Pedro.  Hall would have been likewise.  With a race over 100 laps and using that margin, I can see that Rodriguez would see the flying duo in his mirrors every 25 laps or so.  Yes, it's possible that Pedro was fully five laps down at the checker.

 

It must be remembered that Pedro's Ferrari was largely a long-distance enduro racer and likely much, much heavier than either the Chaparral or M1 McLaren.

 

And yes...  Pedro did do rather well at Mosport.  Great memories.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 13:52

D28...

 

HI, there.  I can't specifically recall that Bruce & Jim were so much faster that they each totally eclipsed Pedro and others but in looking at this page...

 

http://wsrp.ic.cz/canadasc1965.html

 

..., information presented re qualifying shows that McLaren was some 3.5 seconds/lap up on Pedro.  Hall would have been likewise.  With a race over 100 laps and using that margin, I can see that Rodriguez would see the flying duo in his mirrors every 25 laps or so.  Yes, it's possible that Pedro was fully five laps down at the checker.

 

It must be remembered that Pedro's Ferrari was largely a long-distance enduro racer and likely much, much heavier than either the Chaparral or M1 McLaren.

 

And yes...  Pedro did do rather well at Mosport.  Great memories.

Thanks. That is the site I use for historical records; he does a fantastic job for what are rather obscure races. The old lists and reports sometimes have errors which find their way into the record; he actually corrected an error on an earlier Canadian Grand Prix I was able to document. I'm still looking through books, the information is there somewhere. Maybe someone else can point to it, or their memory is better than mine.

That was the race in which John Surtees was injured so badly . This happened in practice before I arrived.

Living so close you must have seen a lot of great racing at Mosport, as they say those were the days.

Did you happen to read the 2 recent articles on Mosport in Vintage Motorsport? Good story on my favourite  circuit.



#77 Manfred Cubenoggin

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:28

Sorry for the delay in responding, D28...

No, I haven't seen the Vintage Motorsport articles.  Is it possible for you to point me to a link?  TY.

Big John's shunt?  Dear me...  Remember it so well.  Seeing a photo in the Toronto Daily Star of him lying prostrate under the T70 was horrendous!  :(

Being born & raised in Bowmanville, just down the road from Mosport, saw me spend much of my youth at the 'Happy Track'.

Yes, there were many fine events with some forever imprinted on my brain cells.  Of course, the 1965 Canadian GP as discussed already is right near the top if not the primo.  Some others...

Any of the official, F1 GP's.  That's a given.  :)

1961 Canadian GP with Peter Ryan the victor.

1962 club race: watching drop-jawed as  the late Craig Hill drifted a TR4 over the crest of T2 lap after lap after lap; a crystal moment in my life; 'I have just got to do this!'

1963 Player's 200; got a great shot during the drivers' parade of Grand Marshall, Stirling Moss, coming through the hairpin sitting on the boot of a Chevy convertable.  I was THIS CLOSE to him!

1966 club races: epic duels between Max Narriere in an Lotus Elan and Reinhold Schill in a Porsche Carrera; every race a cliffhanger.

1966 CanAm: seeing the high-wing Chaparral 2E's; I was in T1 for the start(shouldn't have to mention what significance THAT has, right?); Eppie Weitzes scoring a quite unbelievable P6 in the Comstock Ford GT40.

1967 Canadian Sports Car Championship rounds, assorted: Weitzes flinging the GT40 about through the hairpin like it was an F3 car; brilliant!

1967 CanAm: Denny's phonominal finish and Bruce's charge back up the field after a late start.

1969 Indy Car: terrific duel between Dan Gurney and Mario Andretti; MA set the fastest trap time on the back straight and whomever did so would have it permanently named for him.

1969 CanAm; John Cordts scoring a fabulous P4 in a totally out-classed M1C when Chuck Parsons' rain tires gave out in the last lap.

1970 CanAm: suffering the loss of Bruce and Dan's subbing for him; Denny driving hurt; losing Richard Brown in practice.  :cry:

1971 CanAm: Denny & JYS arsing about on the grid for the opening of official qualifying; JYS scorching away to a big lead before losing all the diff lube.

1971 GP: My ears treated to the sound of the two Matras ripping up the back straight about two seconds apart in qualifying.  Unforgetable!  Losing mild acquaintance, Wayne Kelly, in the FF prelim.  I would later(1974)novice in one of his FV's.

1974 FAtl: Watching Gilles Villeneuve blunder a pass on Bruce Jensen and break his leg in a T3 shunt; took quite a while to extract him from the busted March; so much for your career, Jack.  NOT!  :)

1975 Formula FA/F5000: Jack Oliver and Brian Redman staging a terrific duel for the win.

1976 Combo CanAm Revival/Makes Prototypes: From T10, watching Jack Oliver ignore the initial race start wave off and run several laps at speed; the field giving chase at full bore; the starter throwing down the flags after a couple of laps; Oliver finally slowing to re-order the field and taking the start proper.  Uproarious!

1976 GP:  Patrick Depailler giving James Hunt all he could handle right to the end; the P34 Tyrrel quite astonishing!

1977 FAtl: In T1, watching Gilles and Keke wheel-banging for the lead.  Two of the greats giving and asking no quarter!

1977 GP: Not knowing that this would be the final time seeing the F1's at Mosport.  :(

Not much after that in the way of stoked memories but I am looking forward to seeing the USC event in July barely a month from now.  It will be the first 'big ticket' event that I've attended in about 10 years.  Typically, these days, I restrict my visits to the track to club events.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 15:46

Sorry for the delay in responding, D28...

No, I haven't seen the Vintage Motorsport articles.  Is it possible for you to point me to a link?  TY.

Big John's shunt?  Dear me...  Remember it so well.  Seeing a photo in the Toronto Daily Star of him lying prostrate under the T70 was horrendous!  :(

Being born & raised in Bowmanville, just down the road from Mosport, saw me spend much of my youth at the 'Happy Track'.

Yes, there were many fine events with some forever imprinted on my brain cells.  Of course, the 1965 Canadian GP as discussed already is right near the top if not the primo.  Some others...

Any of the official, F1 GP's.  That's a given.  :)

1961 Canadian GP with Peter Ryan the victor.

 

 

Thanks for getting back. Vintage Motorsport is a bi-monthly magazine published out of Florida and covers all items of historical interest. I have a subscription now, but previously I bought it at Indigo stores. The link is  http://www.vintagemotorsport.com/.

Just click on back issues and look at Nov Dec 2013 and Jan-Feb 2014. You can order these 2 issues which have the Mosport story from them online. If you do get a copy check out the 1st letter re Mosport in the Jan issue it is from me. 

 

I am still trying to track down the story on Rodriguez, how many laps behind he was. Many articles describe the race including those above, but they don't give that detail.

 

I witnessed most of the international races at Mosport for many years including F1. I have been to the Canadian GP at Montreal a few times, but that circuit just doesn't appeal to me. I have never got over the move in 1978, always hoped F1 would return to the spiritual home of Canadian racing. Too late for that, but still have the memories.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 17:39

Does anyone have any thoughts on why Ford- and Chrysler-powered cars didn't have the same success in Can-Am as cars with Chevrolet engines? Why not Buick with its 455s? Was it more than no team could match McLaren or were the Ford and Mopar engines not suited to the series? Or was it that the Chevy engines specialists were more committed to Can-Am than Ford and Chrysler's engine specialists?



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 21:15

Does anyone have any thoughts on why Ford- and Chrysler-powered cars didn't have the same success in Can-Am as cars with Chevrolet engines? Why not Buick with its 455s? Was it more than no team could match McLaren or were the Ford and Mopar engines not suited to the series? Or was it that the Chevy engines specialists were more committed to Can-Am than Ford and Chrysler's engine specialists?

 Just a couple of impressions. Success is a great motivator for imitation, and the pace Jim Hall and Bruce McLaren showed proved that the Chevy was the simplest way to go. There were plenty of experienced engine builders around to develop this motor.

Ford could have been successful, Carroll Shelby had back to back wins at the LA Times Grand Prix in 63, 64 with his Cooper-Fords (King Cobras). Such were his commitments with Ford's international racing program he didn't have time for the Can-Am. After the 1964 season he abandoned the Coopers and later sold then off. At the time of the first season 1966, Ford was hugely committed to its Le Mans program and spent so many millions with contract teams and drivers, there was nothing left for other series. After winning in 66 and 67 Ford sharply reduced spending on racing. By then it was probably too late to catch up with Chevy development.

Drivers associated with Ford like Dan Gurney and Mario Andretti did race Ford powered Can-Am cars, Gurney has the 1 win at Bridgehamton in his Lola-Ford.

It took out of the box thinking and enormous resources to challenge the Chevy domination, that was to come eventually from Porsche and Roger Penske.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 22:33


...Drivers associated with Ford like Dan Gurney and Mario Andretti did race Ford powered Can-Am cars, Gurney has the 1 win at Bridgehamton in his Lola-Ford.

It took out of the box thinking and enormous resources to challenge the Chevy domination, that was to come eventually from Porsche and Roger Penske.

 

One reason for a Chevy preference, certainly in the early days, was that compared to the equivalent Ford, the ubiquitous small block Chevy was more suited to racing and tuning, though of course both were originally planned as engines for ordinary road cars. The Ford was considerably lighter, but although both had a similar bore limit, a higher deck height on the Chevy meant that it could be stroked to an extra litre, which wasn't possible with the Ford 350, though the later 351 block was better. In the entire history of CanAm, there was only ever a single Ford win, scored by Dan Gurney in a Lola T70 with a high-revving 305ci (5 litre) engine with his own Gurney-Weslake heads. This engine had a near 2000 revs and about 30 hp advantage over contemporary Chevys in the McLarens and most others, but in comparison it lacked the torque and driveability their extra litre or so of displacement gave them. When McLarens and others won all the time with Chevys, that became the obvious route to follow, but McLaren and Chaparral both got a lot of 'unofficial' help from GM, special alloy big blocks etc, and GM clearly appreciated the publicity that winning provided. In comparison, although they occasionally appeared with one-off engines, Ford never really seemed to be serious about CanAm, which was surprising considering the success the 7 litre Mk IVs had at LeMans, surely they could have done it if they'd really wanted to, but that would have meant finding a team capable of taking on McLaren.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:21

Does anyone know anything about George Katsu and his amazing Imai A1, I know it had a Ford V8 4.7 l engine q19 and retired at Fuji in 1968, had it been seen before or since ?

 

In the 1969 Singapore GP (then run under F. Libre rules), a very smart-looking Can Am styled car called the Del-RSC Ford was driven by a George Katsu. His real name was Katsuomi Shiozawa. The car was supposedly based on a Lotus 30/40 - which were always powered by 4.7 litre Ford V8s.

 

The MYSTERY : HK based expatriate racer John MacDonald used to race a Lotus 30/40 - it actually fell apart during an earlier Macau GP (Macau was/is a very rough track). He has said that he sold his Lotus 30/40 to a Mr. Schitzuwawa.

 

Angus Lamont wrote the following on 25 May 2007. However, would anyone know about what has happened to it since?

 

Hi Doug (Nye),

Here is what I know about John Macdonald's Lotus 30/40.

Purchased from John Dean in the summer of 1967 (John tested the car at Silverstone prior to purchase).
Raced at the Tunku Abdul Raman meeting at the Batu Tiga circuit, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia on 3 September 1967. Dropped a valve in practice and the welded up piston only lasted a few laps in the race.
Raced the following weekend at the Johor GP at the Pasir Oudang circuit, Johor, Malaysia where it broke a front upright during practice. Teddy Yip kindly lent John a Lotus 22 for the race itself.
Raced at the Macau GP on 19 November 1967 but the car suffered a radiator leak on lap 2.
Used at the Motor Sports Club of Hong Kong (MSCHK) hill climb that you have already noted. It may have been used at another hill climb venue where John got FTD but I can't confirm this.
Raced at the Fuji 300 Yomiuri Asian Challenge Cup, Japan on 24 March 1968. I don't know the result but it was a DNF.
Sold in Japan to Mr. Schitzuwawa, who was an organiser of the above race. He put his own body on the car. John commented "thus replacing the only beautiful thing about it"!

 

So, if Katsuomi  Shiozawa was Mr. Schitzuwawa (or one of his brothers), the confusion is solved.Hope this helps.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 14:05

Does anyone have any thoughts on why Ford- and Chrysler-powered cars didn't have the same success in Can-Am as cars with Chevrolet engines? Why not Buick with its 455s? Was it more than no team could match McLaren or were the Ford and Mopar engines not suited to the series? Or was it that the Chevy engines specialists were more committed to Can-Am than Ford and Chrysler's engine specialists?

 

Why was there no Chrysler Hemi in the Can-Am? I asked that question on fb a few weeks before. The responses I got pointed out that the Hemi engine was around 200lbs heavier than a ZL1. That sounds to me as reason enough not to use it...


Edited by Duc-Man, 14 June 2014 - 14:06.


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 18:33

recent can am editions are mostly from that exotic track in the caesars palace parking lot...

 

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other additions can be found in champ car set. i've also created an adrian newey set which will grow as time allows on this end....

 

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 21:18

Why was there no Chrysler Hemi in the Can-Am? I asked that question on fb a few weeks before. The responses I got pointed out that the Hemi engine was around 200lbs heavier than a ZL1. That sounds to me as reason enough not to use it...

 

I was pretty sure someone had raced a Dodge powered car, though it took a lot of looking to find one. Chevy power represented well over 90% of entrants,

 

There was one Mecom team car in 1964 (Pre Can-Am) built with a Dodge Hemi V8 for AJ Foyt, this was entered in the LA Times Grand Prix, and billed as the most powerful sportscar with 550 hp. This Hussein 1 was based on a Cooper chassis.

 

The 1970 Riverside Can-Am lists Roy Wood dnf in a LolaT160 Dodge.

 

That was all I found checking the entries for Can-Am. Almost a Chevy spec series till Porsche came along. Even the BRM car used a Chevy motor.



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 00:49

Does anyone have any thoughts on why Ford- and Chrysler-powered cars didn't have the same success in Can-Am as cars with Chevrolet engines? Why not Buick with its 455s? Was it more than no team could match McLaren or were the Ford and Mopar engines not suited to the series? Or was it that the Chevy engines specialists were more committed to Can-Am than Ford and Chrysler's engine specialists?

Ford had a half-arsed attitude towards the Can-Am till they simply quit racing in 1971

Chevy success was partly because the engines used were directly connected to the back-door racing going on with Corvette racers.

Just as Ford simply quit racing, when the U.S. Government stuck its nose where it did not belong concerning automobiles, Can-Am projects from Oldsmobile and Pontiac died on the vine with a few alloy Oldmobiles making it to the track and the Pontiac racing project dying except for a few Trans-Am engines.

 

Chrysler only got into road racing because one person at Chrysler, who saw road racing as an avenue to be tackled, had a very short reign there.

No fully alloy Hemis were available till after the Can-Am died and I do not think that even alloy heads were around when Roy Woods tried one several times.

Ford also crapped on Dan Gurney by refusing to give him an alloy Shotgun engine when they came out so their best best ran Chevys.


Edited by Bob Riebe, 16 June 2014 - 05:56.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 13:41

There was the Hemi powered McKee Mk.V that appeared in the entry list for a few Can-Am races. Sometimes it also appeared at the track...



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 20:35

There was the Hemi powered McKee Mk.V that appeared in the entry list for a few Can-Am races. Sometimes it also appeared at the track...

 

http://www.allpar.co...-special15.html

 

This is a link to a the McKee Hemi Mk V. This car is in the entry list for the Mosport Players 200, just 3 months before the first Can-Am race. The car was entered by Bob Montana but doesn't show up in the finishers in the records I can find. It must have practiced at least as there is an on track photo with Bruce McLaren in the same frame from 1966.



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 23:55

I posted a pix of the McKee-Hemi in the Mosport paddock here on TNF years ago.