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#101 davidhudson

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 17:42

Bill moffat started this topic some 10 years ago and I've just stumbled accross it!!

It is true that F100 in its original form must have been terrible to watch-too underpowered and with road tyres!!  I did have a programme that a child had written in to the same effect.

 

Once the sponsorship from Firestone and Tarmac finished, the cars slowly disappeared.  Having seen Mark Coles articles in 'Hot Car' in period I was asstounded to find that in 1988 I had purchased the very car featured, albit in a thousand pieces! It was one of the 3 Sturdgess's produced for the original Championship.  These cars were built by Elden.

 

The HSCC were running 'The 2 Litre Sports Car Championship' at that time, mainly for Chevron B8's, but with classes for 1600cc and 1300cc engined cars. Due to the fact that F100's ran at 3 International metting, the HSCC agreed to allow them into the Championsip.  In 1990 I had rebuilt the car and at the time other F100 cars were running on a regular basis.

 

My first race I encountered another Sturdgess, a Landar, an Aldon and at least one Royal, there were two Nerus's about too.  Another Royal joined the races at a later race which had been converterd from a road car-chassis no.11 with a number plate 'MAD'!!

 

We were allowed to use tuned 1300 engines with racing tries.  These modifications transformed the cars and they became very competitive.  This should have been standard in 1970!!

 

I know were some of the cars are now, but very few are racing as there is no class for them.

 

I had 19 fantasic years of ownership, masses of fun and made loads of friends.

 

If anyone wants anymore info, I will be happy to provide.  Unfortunately all my records of the original F100 races were passed on to the new owner of my car--may have some still stacked away somewhere!

 

Cheers

 

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#102 Allen Brown

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 19:53


If anyone wants anymore info, I will be happy to provide. 

 

 

I'd be interested David!



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Posted 16 September 2014 - 20:40

I too would be grateful for any further information which you offer. I am also interested to hear which cars ran in which events at International level. The formula was too politically conceived, at the wrong time and perhaps for the wrong reasons, and certainly with the wrong spec at first. Maligned across the piece, it could have been a good series. They where certainly quite quick. As Simon Drabble said earlier, modern approval would only be for specific chassis to the spec in which they raced at accepted Intl level, hence only one Lotus 17 can claim entitlement to run with an FWB, IIRC, and one 27 runs as an F1 car, unless the world has changed since Alan Putt explained it all to me.
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#104 Allen Brown

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 21:06

I fear the world has changed, Roger.



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Posted 16 September 2014 - 21:14

Was this the category Tom Pryce won around '71? 



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Posted 16 September 2014 - 21:17

I am somewhat surprised to hear that F100 events were run at three international meetings. My own memory tells me that F100 was very much a clubman's formula. However, one possibility is that it was a support race at Formula 5000 races, which may have had international status, but which often had club type supporting races i.e Special Saloons, Modsports etc.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 10:07

It is true that F100 in its original form must have been terrible to watch-too underpowered and with road tyres!!  I did have a programme that a child had written in to the same effect.

 

Once the sponsorship from Firestone and Tarmac finished, the cars slowly disappeared.  Having seen Mark Coles articles in 'Hot Car' in period I was asstounded to find that in 1988 I had purchased the very car featured, albit in a thousand pieces! It was one of the 3 Sturdgess's produced for the original Championship.  These cars were built by Elden.

 

We were allowed to use tuned 1300 engines with racing tries.  These modifications transformed the cars and they became very competitive.  This should have been standard in 1970!!

 

 

Given the low numbers of cars that contested the series Formula F100 was doomed. Funnily enough when Sports 2000 came along there were lots of manufacturers involved and lots of drivers wanting to get on-board. If only the F100 series had had that sort of support from the start then maybe the racing wouldn't have been so processional. 

 

I am somewhat surprised to hear that F100 events were run at three international meetings. My own memory tells me that F100 was very much a clubman's formula. However, one possibility is that it was a support race at Formula 5000 races, which may have had international status, but which often had club type supporting races i.e Special Saloons, Modsports etc.

 

1971 Mallory Park European F2 Race meeting was the first time that I saw Formula F100. It was already in its second year. The championship ran at just 5 circuits that year (Brands Hatch - 7 meetings; Mallory Park - 4 meetings; Castle Combe - 1 meeting; Oulton Park - 6 meetings; and Snetterton - 2 meetings). At the 14th March Mallory Park event there were a lot of none starters (six in all) plus six race numbers were shown as "To Be Nominated" and didn't even have an entrant of make of car against the number. In all just 7 cars took to the track.

Chris Lee won the race in the Sturdgess SL2 with Tom Pryce (Royale RP4) second, Nick Cole (Silhouette) third, John Calvert (Royale RP4) fourth, Gabrielle Konig (Royale RP4) fifth and Micki Vandervell (Royale RP4) sixth. Tom Pryce set the Fastest Lap with a 52.4 which equated to 92.75mph - a new class record.

 

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 14:33

Goodness-loads of info and interest!!

 

The 1970 F100 Championship was won by Ray Allan and 1971 by Tom Pryce.

 

Stephen W has it right.  Because the F100's ran at 3 International meetings, albeit their races were only designated 'National', The HSCC agreed to allow the type to race in the 2 Litre Championship. The fact that relitively few marques ran at the 'International' races, any F100 cars were allowed. FIA papers were obtained for my car.

 

The Sturdgess of Chris Lee was the most successful of the 3 cars built by Elden's. Clarke Sturdgess didn't manage to complete his car and it was given to Tony Hilder as payment for the body he designed. This car was subsequently finished and I came accross it when Tim Foxton owned it. He sold it to Richard Howell who campaigned it alongside my car in the 2 Litre Championship. After a couple of years he sold it to a German, Klaus ?, through Chris Alford. Having lost touch with Klaus, I was surprised to see on the Elden Forum that 'Michael' had purchased the car last year. He has not replied to my response yet.

 

The Chris Lee car is in America in the ownership of Bill Howard-I spoke with him just last week. The car is in good condition and has been very successful in his ownership. He has the history of the car in America. I took the opportunity of seeing it in Denver some 10 years ago. Bill is hoping to sell the car in the near future.

 

My old car is now owned by John Rand. He has raced it several times during his 7 years of ownership. It is for sale on Pistonheads at present.

During my ownership, the ex Mark Cole car managed to obtain many class wins and lap records. It won The HSCC RJB Mining Sports Car Championship in 1997, having come second in 1996 and again in 1998- losing by one point!

David Beckett campaiged a Nerus throughout the '90's, this had a 2 litre Twin Cam engine. Alan Phillips also had a Nerus fitted with a 1600 X/Flow. His son in law has run the car in The HSCC Guards Trophy, a year or two ago.

I purchased the single Nike F100 in bits from James Hunt, not the World Champion, but the 'Real James Hunt' as he used to call himself. I started to renovate it and Ryan Hodges made me a body. The original rear aluminium body was borrowed from Ken Nicholls, from which a fibreglass mould was made.  I sold the uncompleted project -can't remeber to whom, may have it recorded somwhere, but lost touch with the car.

The single Aldon built, being semi monocoque, was owned by Doug Hart in the early '90's. I think that this went to America at some point. I think that Marcus Pye had a part share at some time. I saw the car at Race Retro 2 or 3 years ago, so I assume it is back here.

 

I haven't been able to look in my loft for any old files, but if anyone wants further info--I see what I can do.  I have a few period photos, can I post them here?  If so How?

 

Cheers --  David



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 14:40

Good work Steve.  This is clearly the beginning of a F100 results database!

 

1. Chris Lee (1.3 Sturdgess-Nerus/EMC SL1) 10m 42.8s 90.73 mph

2. Tom Pryce (Royale-TAS/BMC RP4) 10m 44.0s

3. Nick Cole (Silhouette-Nerus/BMC)

4. John Calvert (Royale RP4)

5. Gabrielle Konig (Royale RP4)

6. Micki Vandervell (Royale RP4)

DNS Alan Goodwin (Aldon)



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 19:03

Autosport dated 11 March 1971 had a Sports Racing Car Guide.  Many F100 cars are shown.

 

Below please find listed all the F100 Races. I do have copies of the Autosport results/write-ups.

 

 

F100 Championship 1970

 

              Race Date                       Venue                      Autosport Report

 

  1. 08/03                             Brands Hatch    CANCELLED
  2. 14/03                             Oulton Park                                 19/03
  3. 30/03                             Castle Combe                             02/04
  4. 19/04                             Mallory Park                               23/04  
  5. 02/05                             Oulton Park                                 07/05  
  6. 03/05                             Mallory Park                               07/05
  7. 24/05                             Brands Hatch                              28/05
  8. 25/05                             Snetterton                                  28/05  
  9. 06/06                             Oulton Park                                 11/06
  10. 28/06                             Snetterton                                  02/07
  11. 04/07                             Brands Hatch                              09/07
  12. 25/07                             Mallory Park                               30/07
  13. 08/08                             Snetterton                                  13/08
  14. 31/08                             Snetterton                                  03/09
  15. 13/09                             Brands Hatch                              17/09
  16. 20/09                             Mondello Park   NO RACE
  17. 27/09                             Mallory Park                               01/10
  18. 11/10                             Snetterton                                  15/10
  19. 17/10                             Oulton Park                                 22/10
  20. 18/10                             Mallory Park                               22/10
  21. 15/11                             Brands Hatch                              19/11
  22. 27/12                             Mallory Park        CANCELLED

 

F100 Championship  1971     

 

        Race Date                               Venue                           Autosport Report          

 

  1. 07/03                             Brands Hatch                              11/03
  2. 14/03                             Mallory Park                               18/03
  3. 28/03                             Mallory Park                               01/04  
  4. 12/04                             Castle Combe                             15/04
  5. 02/05                             Brands Hatch                              06/05  
  6. 16/05                             Mallory Park                               20/05
  7. 30/05                             Brands Hatch                              03/06  
  8. 31/05                             Oulton Park                                 03/06
  9. 12/06                             Oulton Park                                 17/06
  10. 20/06                             Brands Hatch                              24/06
  11. 04/07                             Brands Hatch                              08/07
  12. 25/07                             Mallory Park                               29/07
  13. 28/08                             Oulton Park                                 02/09
  14. 30/08                             Snetterton                                  02/09
  15. 18/09                             Oulton Park                                 23/09
  16. 26/09                             Brands Hatch                              30/09
  17. 02/10                             Oulton Park                                 07/10  
  18. 10/10                             Snetterton                                  14/10
  19. 16/10                             Oulton Park                                 21/10
  20. 27/12                             Brands Hatch                              30/12

 

David



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 19:59

David, are your photos from F100 period or later HSCC?
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Posted 17 September 2014 - 21:19

Roger

 

A few of Studgess's in period, couple at Brands, one showing several cars out of Paddock coming into Druids.  Loads of later HSCC pictures showing me!!!  These do have interesting other cars in shot.

 

David



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 15:38

Steve, when S2000 came along I don't agree there were lots of manufacturers and drivers keen to get involved. The 1st year, 1977, there were often grids of under 10 cars, and most were Lolas. Only Tiga offered an alternative for sale. In 78, there were more cars, but again almost all Lolas. Only from about 1981 dod more than Lola and Tiga get properly involved, eg Chevron, March, Aquila/Shrike, Royale.

 

By contrast, F100 in its first year at least had plenty of different cars. And I suspect a higher no. of cars on the average grid.

 

I suspect the difference between the 2 formulae was that the Yanks got well into S2000 quite early on, giving the makers a bigger market to go for.



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 16:25

Goodness-loads of info and interest!!

 

The 1970 F100 Championship was won by Ray Allan and 1971 by Tom Pryce.

 

Stephen W has it right.  Because the F100's ran at 3 International meetings, albeit their races were only designated 'National', The HSCC agreed to allow the type to race in the 2 Litre Championship. The fact that relitively few marques ran at the 'International' races, any F100 cars were allowed. FIA papers were obtained for my car.

 

 

I haven't been able to look in my loft for any old files, but if anyone wants further info--I see what I can do.  I have a few period photos, can I post them here?  If so How?

 

Cheers --  David

and therein lies the rub, a National designated race even at an International meeting is still a national race. I think this is why your old car has been for sale for some time. I dont think it would get new HTP papers. Happy to be proven wrong and maybe HSCC should run a national class in the Martini as F100 cars would encourage more S2000 to come out and help ensure the Martini's success as it doesnt seem to be happening on its own two legs!



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 19:04

I am somewhat surprised to hear that F100 events were run at three international meetings. My own memory tells me that F100 was very much a clubman's formula. However, one possibility is that it was a support race at Formula 5000 races, which may have had international status, but which often had club type supporting races i.e Special Saloons, Modsports etc.

 

They were often part of the (International) F5000 programme - which sometimes included the Yellow Pages Formula Atlantic series (full grids, about a dozen different manufacturers).  Webb did get some things right.



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 19:18

Back to another earlier post, the grids for Sports 2000 were very poor initially and there were a couple of converted F100 cars racing.



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 20:59

David, my interest lies in Garo Nigogosian's DRW, so any shots including that would be most welcome. His car had orange fore,aft stripes on the front of the bonnet
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 14:14

Back to another earlier post, the grids for Sports 2000 were very poor initially and there were a couple of converted F100 cars racing.

Chris Alford raced a Sports 2000 Sturdgess in 1977.  I'm not sure if it was a 4th car or one of the originals converted.  I asked him a few years ago and he wasn't clear himself.

 

and therein lies the rub, a National designated race even at an International meeting is still a national race. I think this is why your old car has been for sale for some time. I dont think it would get new HTP papers. Happy to be proven wrong and maybe HSCC should run a national class in the Martini as F100 cars would encourage more S2000 to come out and help ensure the Martini's success as it doesnt seem to be happening on its own two legs!

When I sold my car there was nowhere reasonable to run it. It was one year too young for inclusion into Guards. The obsession with only allowing cars with International History is a shame. There are affordable cars in which loads of fun can be had, but aren't allowed.

When did Sports 2000 run Internationally? 

 

There is another one for debate--Can-Am cars?  International designated races?

 

David, my interest lies in Garo Nigogosian's DRW, so any shots including that would be most welcome. His car had orange fore,aft stripes on the front of the bonnet
Roger Lund

 

Roger, I have only one photo of Garo Nigogosian's DRW. Onening lap at Brands coming into Druids-1971, not sure of race date.  His is the second car I think.  I know nothing about him, whats your interest?

 

I'm trying to download the photo--can't!!  Is there any way to do so?  If not, I can send by email if you let me know what it is.

 

David



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Posted 29 September 2014 - 07:13

The Aldon was out performing at Loton Park yesterday (Sunday) at the final round of the British Hillclimb Championship; Alan Goodwin took a second in class.



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Posted 03 March 2015 - 23:21

Goodness-loads of info and interest!!

 

The 1970 F100 Championship was won by Ray Allan and 1971 by Tom Pryce.

 

Stephen W has it right.  Because the F100's ran at 3 International meetings, albeit their races were only designated 'National', The HSCC agreed to allow the type to race in the 2 Litre Championship. The fact that relitively few marques ran at the 'International' races, any F100 cars were allowed. FIA papers were obtained for my car.

 

The Sturdgess of Chris Lee was the most successful of the 3 cars built by Elden's. Clarke Sturdgess didn't manage to complete his car and it was given to Tony Hilder as payment for the body he designed. This car was subsequently finished and I came accross it when Tim Foxton owned it. He sold it to Richard Howell who campaigned it alongside my car in the 2 Litre Championship. After a couple of years he sold it to a German, Klaus ?, through Chris Alford. Having lost touch with Klaus, I was surprised to see on the Elden Forum that 'Michael' had purchased the car last year. He has not replied to my response yet.

 

The Chris Lee car is in America in the ownership of Bill Howard-I spoke with him just last week. The car is in good condition and has been very successful in his ownership. He has the history of the car in America. I took the opportunity of seeing it in Denver some 10 years ago. Bill is hoping to sell the car in the near future.

 

My old car is now owned by John Rand. He has raced it several times during his 7 years of ownership. It is for sale on Pistonheads at present.

During my ownership, the ex Mark Cole car managed to obtain many class wins and lap records. It won The HSCC RJB Mining Sports Car Championship in 1997, having come second in 1996 and again in 1998- losing by one point!

David Beckett campaiged a Nerus throughout the '90's, this had a 2 litre Twin Cam engine. Alan Phillips also had a Nerus fitted with a 1600 X/Flow. His son in law has run the car in The HSCC Guards Trophy, a year or two ago.

I purchased the single Nike F100 in bits from James Hunt, not the World Champion, but the 'Real James Hunt' as he used to call himself. I started to renovate it and Ryan Hodges made me a body. The original rear aluminium body was borrowed from Ken Nicholls, from which a fibreglass mould was made.  I sold the uncompleted project -can't remeber to whom, may have it recorded somwhere, but lost touch with the car.

The single Aldon built, being semi monocoque, was owned by Doug Hart in the early '90's. I think that this went to America at some point. I think that Marcus Pye had a part share at some time. I saw the car at Race Retro 2 or 3 years ago, so I assume it is back here.

 

I haven't been able to look in my loft for any old files, but if anyone wants further info--I see what I can do.  I have a few period photos, can I post them here?  If so How?

 

Cheers --  David

Do you have any photos of Nike at all- I'm Ken's daughter & attempting to put together a register- was Your Nike Mark 9? I have zero info on this car so far- so any details you can add would be appreciated Regards



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Posted 06 March 2015 - 13:31

Hi Carole 1

 

I was sorry to hear that you father passed away recently, he will be sorely missed. Please accept my condolances. I had only met him on a couple of occassions, some time ago and he was extremely

helpful.

 

I only have one photo of the car, and that is at a race at Brands Hatch in period.  I can't find a way of attaching the photo to this site, but if you send me an email to davidhudsonuk@yahoo.com I will forward the picture to you.

 

Your father kindly lent the rear bodywork to me and a mould was taken of it. I returned the original aluminium section to him and no doubt it will still be in his workshop. I guess that this would have been some 20 years ago. I have lost contact with the car and have never seen it race.

 

As far as the Mk 9 bit is concerned, I believe it is. I have a copy of 'Sports-Racing Car Guide' from Autosport, dated 11 March 1971, showing the car and describing it as FF100 Mk 9, Price £1400 rolling chassis. I will send this also.

 

I would be very interested in your register when completed-good luck with it.

 

Please let me know if I can be of further help. I will try to find my records and see if the car still exists.

 

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Posted 06 March 2015 - 23:29

Hi Carole 1

 

I was sorry to hear that you father passed away recently, he will be sorely missed. Please accept my condolances. I had only met him on a couple of occassions, some time ago and he was extremely

helpful.

 

I only have one photo of the car, and that is at a race at Brands Hatch in period.  I can't find a way of attaching the photo to this site, but if you send me an email to davidhudsonuk@yahoo.com I will forward the picture to you.

 

Your father kindly lent the rear bodywork to me and a mould was taken of it. I returned the original aluminium section to him and no doubt it will still be in his workshop. I guess that this would have been some 20 years ago. I have lost contact with the car and have never seen it race.

 

As far as the Mk 9 bit is concerned, I believe it is. I have a copy of 'Sports-Racing Car Guide' from Autosport, dated 11 March 1971, showing the car and describing it as FF100 Mk 9, Price £1400 rolling chassis. I will send this also.

 

I would be very interested in your register when completed-good luck with it.

 

Please let me know if I can be of further help. I will try to find my records and see if the car still exists.

 

David

Thank you I will e-mail you I have no photos & limited info on the Mark 9 so that will be most kind- Mum has found another notebook which I think details more customers before & after you owned the beastie- which I will be reading next weekend but pictures- none on file..

Regards



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Posted 11 March 2015 - 14:18

Carole 1.  Not had an email from you yet-have you sent one? If you have is the address right?  davidhudsonuk@yahoo.com

I will check my spam box.



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Posted 17 March 2015 - 01:23

Carole 1.  Not had an email from you yet-have you sent one? If you have is the address right?  davidhudsonuk@yahoo.com

I will check my spam box.

Did send an e mail on 7/3/15 but if it didn't arrive here it is: carole.nicholls@mkl.co.uk may have gone into spam think having checked put a full stop in between David & Hudson as it wouldn't send to you without so maybe in someone elses spam box!

Look forward to recieving info- have found some pictures in Dad's file rebuilding for Dave Martin who had after you & some other shots which I thought were Mk 7 but look to be more likely Mk 9 now I have pictures to compare with- I wish Dad had labelled his photos- but I suppose he knew what they were so never bothered

Bless him Thank you in anticipation of pictures

Regards Carole



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Posted 18 August 2019 - 15:01

BTW, I purchased this Nerus F100 car. Sadly it was considerably more than the closing bid of the auction...

 

https://bringatraile...rus-silhouette/



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Posted 18 August 2019 - 15:15

BTW, I purchased this Nerus F100 car. Sadly it was considerably more than the closing bid of the auction...

 

https://bringatraile...rus-silhouette/

 

See this thread:

 

https://forums.autos...b/#entry8721434

 

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 02:13

B.A.R.C. NW Centre, Oulton Park, Saturday 2 May 1970

Event 1: Formula F100, 10 laps

16 cars started incl Nerus, Royale, Beattie, Bolar, Alexis, Dulon.

1. N. Cole (Nerus Silhouette-BMC) 19m 23.2s, 85.45 mph

2. R. Allen (Royale RP4-RP)

3. V. Talfourd-Cook (Royale RP4-Spence)

4. J. Calvert (Royale RP4-RP) 

Fastest lap: Cole and Allen 1min 55.0 sec, 86.43 mph

New class record

Source: Motoring News, 7 May 1970, Page 9

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 19 August 2019 - 02:54.


#128 Stephen W

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 08:21

I attended the Formula 2 meeting at Mallory Park early in 1971. On the supporting programme was a race for the F100s and an F3 race. Formula 3 had just changed over from the one litre to the 1.6 litre Formula and the turn-out was pathetic, so much so that they ran some of the FF1600s as a make-weight so as to flesh out the grid. F100 had already raced at Brands and had a semblance of a reasonable grid plus some 'names'. However, the F100 field soon got spread out with not so much close racing. As Formula 3 quickly picked up and their grids swelled so F100 stagnated due in no small part for the cost of one of the cars (about the same as an F3 car).

 

One of the cars in that F100 race (the Aldon) eventually found its way to the USA and years later it was repatriated. I then saw it many times being hillclimbed in the hands of Aldon's MD but haven't seen it for a couple of years.