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#101 D-Type

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 22:55

Now here's a thought - Just suppose that Climax had gone ahead with the flat 16 and it had proved a winner, might we have seen an H-32 in 1966?     :confused:



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#102 Bloggsworth

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 23:13

No.



#103 Tim Murray

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:49

And here he is in practice with the 43
http://www.brianwats...rmulaOne/66/#58


There are some great photos in that set. I note a trace of oil smoke in that Clark shot, and even more in this one:

http://www.brianwats...rmulaOne/66/#62

Presumably this is what caused Jimmy to switch to the 33.



#104 Stephen W

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:57

On the race day at Oulton Park I saw the BRM H16 engine from Team Lotus being loaded into the BRM transporter. It would have been interesting to see Clark in the 43 in the Gold Cup. The next time I saw a 43 at Oulton Park was in F5000.



#105 David Beard

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 09:03

I like the 43. I have always thought it be a most handsome beast, but it never comes up in anyone's "Best Looking F1 car" list. And of course it pre-dated the 49 in using the engine as a lump of chassis.

The H16 BRM engine has always fascinated me too. It always seemed a logical thing to do. It's a pity we don't see any whacky engineering these days. All we get to talk about is ugly noses.

I suppose I must be odd. :

 

I still think the same. Great to see it at the Revival last year...

 

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#106 Tim Murray

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 10:29

It's a pity we don't see any whacky engineering these days. All we get to talk about is ugly noses.

Ten years down the road and nothing has changed. :well:



#107 kayemod

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 11:15

Ten years down the road and nothing has changed. :well:

 

Those noses have, they've got much worse, and I'm not commenting on some TNF members.



#108 John-w

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 13:54

Hello,

 

at the moment I am searching for reference photos for my Lotus 43 in scale 1/20th Monza 1966.

Now on one photo I have seen green springs on the rear dampers what color are the springs on the front dampers?

I assume the steering wheel and the seat are red, is this correct?

 

Thanks for any help.

John-w



#109 Stephen W

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 09:31

Hello,
 
at the moment I am searching for reference photos for my Lotus 43 in scale 1/20th Monza 1966.
Now on one photo I have seen green springs on the rear dampers what color are the springs on the front dampers?
I assume the steering wheel and the seat are red, is this correct?
 
Thanks for any help.
John-w


Get onto Facebook, join all the F1 history groups and Jim Clark groups then trawl away. You will a lot of colour photos of the Lotus 43

#110 Glengavel

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 09:40

Now here's a thought - Just suppose that Climax had gone ahead with the flat 16 and it had proved a winner, might we have seen an H-32 in 1966?     :confused:

 

I'll have some of whatever you're on.



#111 Catalina Park

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 10:01

Imagine if Repco had come in a year or two earlier with motor based on the Pontiac slant 4...

#112 mfd

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 10:50

I've looked John :wave: There's very little that actually shows the front suspension without the nose fitted.



#113 Glengavel

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 17:01

Just read an interesting feature/interview of Doug Nye on/with Maurice Phillippe published on Autosprint in 1971. Philippe said that when they received the first H16 for the 43 in 1966, a first, peculiar problem arose: they needed six mechanics just to take it off from the lorry, so heavy it was. "A little bit heavier than the scheduled 215 kg", in typical funny understatement.

 

Every time I hear this story it takes more and more mechanics to lift the engine! First it was three, then four, now six...



#114 kayemod

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 17:16

Every time I hear this story it takes more and more mechanics to lift the engine! First it was three, then four, now six...

 

Yes, and three of those six have been named as Geoff Capes, Giant Haystacks and Arnold Schwarzenegger...



#115 Doug Nye

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 18:54

Coo.  That 'Autosprint' feature on Maurice is a real blast from the past.  If asked I would not have recalled it.  I have often wondered what became of his monocoque-chassised special pictured there...the MPS.  As a driver he was very quick in his later Lotus 7.

 

DCN


Edited by Doug Nye, 15 February 2014 - 18:57.


#116 David Lawson

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 19:27

There is a colour cockpit shot of the 43 at Monza on page 174 in Andrew Tulloch's book, "Jim Clark, Grand Prix Legend" which shows the dash panel and steering wheel in red as well as red padding to the seat. In the same book on page 178 there is a black and white shot of the front of the car without the nosecone in the paddock in Mexico and you can see quite a bit of detail.

 

David 

 

PS - I tried to quote John W's post #108 but it didn't work for me.


Edited by David Lawson, 15 February 2014 - 19:30.


#117 Stephen W

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 11:12

Every time I hear this story it takes more and more mechanics to lift the engine! First it was three, then four, now six...


... and by now it's eight!

Like David Lawson I am having trouble posting photos having managed to find a way round getting quotes in my posts!

#118 BRG

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 20:35

Ten years down the road and nothing has changed. :well:

On the contrary, F1 in 2014 has some of the whackiest engineering of all time. And Renault seems to have created a power unit that will make the BRM H16 look like a paragon of reliability and performance.

 

Be careful what you wish for, as my old Grandma never said to me.


Edited by BRG, 22 February 2014 - 20:35.


#119 Tim Murray

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 06:27

Very true - my earlier post was poorly worded. What I was trying to say was that the cars, especially the noses, are still as ugly as sin.