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#1 Jhope

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 22:01

I'd like to somehow build a database of the strangest looking aerodynamics solutions teams (any racing category) were using in races, or testing for potential use later on.

I cam eacross these two, which were the insparation for this thread.

1- 1977 Ferrari? Fiorano?
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2- 1968 - Jochen Rindt - F2 Race...but at what track?
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3- Ferrari 312-T - French GP. Note the rocket type front wing endplate.
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4- Patrick Tambay - 1974 F2 - This is the furthest back from the chassis i can remember seeing a rear wing on any race car.
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5- well maybe not...
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well, anyone have any more interesting photo's, and maybe a description of the pictures I have posted. I'm very interested in knowing more about these. Especially the Ferrari in the first picture.

Oh, and does anyone remember anything about Tyrell testing a Lotus 72 type nose configuration during the 1973 Swedish GP practice sessions?

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#2 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 22:58

The Ensign at Kyalami '79 had a pretty weird (& ugly) fat, square nose that had the radiator ducts built in to it. Maybe somebody can supply a picture

#3 GIGLEUX

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 23:42

Picture N°2. It was at Albi in 1968 that Rindt used such a thing at the rear of his car! I perfectly remember that everyone present at the first practice session smiled or laughted by seing such a thing. What was also remarkable was the noise produced by the "thing": metallic, like the reindeeers of Father Xmas! I suppose it was not very efficient as Rindt did'nt use it in second session or for the race.

#4 conjohn

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 06:45

Originally posted by Jhope
Oh, and does anyone remember anything about Tyrell testing a Lotus 72 type nose configuration during the 1973 Swedish GP practice sessions?


Quote from Autosport 24 May 1973

Elf Team Tyrrells's complement was three cars; as before 005 was but a spare and in fact unused during official practice, but it had been modified with water radiators in the side pods, oil cooler moved to the nose, and a wedge-shaped nose section. This was numbered 6T and Francois Cevert tried it the morning of the race for the first time.

Quote from Autosport 21 June 1973:

Tyrrells had put the faithful hack 005 back into its Zolder trim, that is the "Lotus 72 copy" configuration with its chisel nose and side-mounted water radiators, and both Cevert and Stewart tried it out. Jackie reported more downforce from the front aerofoils compared with the regular nose, which was an advantage around Anderstorp, but he only did seven laps and concentrated on preparing 006/2.

I was there, but I can't remember if I ever saw it... and I haven't the photos I took then at hand...

#5 Rob Ryder

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 08:20

The modified Tyrrell 005 was used in practice for the British GP in 1973 by both Stewart(42) and Cevert(43). Below are some photos I took of the car at at Silverstone.

Later in the season Chris Amon raced 005 in this configuration at Mosport, finishing 10th. He was also due to race it at the Glen, but the team withdrew after Cevert's death.

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#6 Jhope

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 16:55

Thanks for those replies conjohn and Rob Ryder. Interesting stories and pictures. I hope to find a few more on the net and in books to add to this thread. :)

#7 mat1

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 17:19

The Eiffelland in which Rolf Stommelen drove in 1972, and of course the Ligier "teapot" in 1976. And the test Ferrari 312B3 ( I believe nicknamed snowplough), which was only used in testing, and was different from the B3 which was used eventually in 1974.

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#8 Paul Taylor

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 17:52

James Hunt, Spanish GP, 1978 - The image is ENORMOUS.

http://www.crasheram...78_SPA_Hunt.jpg

I scanned it myself :)

#9 uechtel

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 21:43

Originally posted by mat1
The Eiffelland in which Rolf Stommelen drove in 1972...


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And of course the Brabham BT 46 and the Chaparral 2J are among those, which come easily into mind.



And then wings...

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wings,


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wings,


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wings,


http://www.pro-steil...7sinn/martini15

and wings!


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sorry, Carnival here all around, so I could not resist that...

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#10 Paul Taylor

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 21:45

http://www.pro-steil...n/martini15.jpg

Yeah, I've seen about this above one! :D I wish I could see the video of that! Seems rather interesting :)

#11 ian senior

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 10:35

Anyone remember the March 751 that appeared at Silverstone ( I think) with endplates on the rear wing that came down to ground level, and which supported an aerodynamic surface ( I hesitate to call it a "wing") that was mounted only a few inches off the ground and directly behind the tyres?

#12 BRG

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 13:55

How about the "unicorn" above-the-nose wing of the March 711 (see http://www.f1-legend.../71march711.htm )

Or the lobster-claw Brabham BT34 (see http://www.users.myi.../nurburg_03.htm )?