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#1 Mickey

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 17:33

Riccardo Patrese is interviewed on Italian daily newspaper Il Giornale. There are some interesting bits...

Would you race in today's Formula One?

I wouldn't even think about it for a minute. When you had the luck to be driving the fastest cars in the world, 1,200 HP, the turbo era, slick qualifying tyres, cars that couldn't wait throwing you off track, cars that when you got in you'd ask yourself if you'd come out, that's how powerful they were, that's how difficult it was to keep them on the track. No, you can't find stimulus in today's F1.

When you started, you were quite different from the others: no standing in awe for the Laudas, the Hunts, the Sheckters, the Andrettis...

Yes, the other colleagues would be in awe of the "senators", both on and off the track, but not me. I fought hard, perhaps even too hard. Today people talk about lapped drivers miss a blue flag, while yesterday's Schumis would cuss at you even if you stopped by the side of the track to let them through. The "senators", in those days, would never chat with a young driver.

You paid for being a bit different: when Peterson died in Monza, all the top drivers pointed their fingers at you. You were even banned from the next race. There was a trial and, after years, you were discharged by regular justice.

The "senators" were like a clan. But in Monza I didn't do any wrong maneuvre: I had a car length advantage when I got back on the racing line at the start; since he accused me, it was rather James Hunt making contact with Peterson. Some drivers even hid the photos that would absolve me.

Shadows, Arrows, Brabham, Alfa, Williams and Benetton: these were your cars. Ecclestone's Brabham and Sir Frank's Williams stand out.

If it wasn't for a letter of intents, I would have moved to Brabham already in 1979.

What letter?

The one written by Enzo Ferrari, which made me wait before accepting Ecclestone's offer. Il Drake was not satisfied with Gilles Villeneuve, as he was making too many mistakes. For 1979 Ferrari decided to have me next to Jody Scheckter.

You instead of Gilles?

Yes, but unfortunately for me, at the end of 78 Villeneuve won the GP at Montreal, and at the team they started to consider his position again. But Ferrari told me: "Don't worry, as soon as we change the line up, we'll call you." So I waited. At the end of 1980 Scheckter retired, and I thought "now it's my turn," but Ferrari hired Pironi. I never understood that. I knew il Drake wanted me, and I knew that Luca di Montezemolo, then back at Fiat, wanted me too. I don't know if it was Ingegner Forghieri, or Marco Piccinini... but all hope ended that day. So I decided never to run after dreams again. And when years later, in 1989, the Ferrari team called me again, it was me refusing: they wanted to build a team with Senna and myself. But I told them: "Why would I ever leave such a strong Williams for a so-so Ferrari?"

It's a love and hate relationship with Ferrari, isn't it? At Imola 1983 one of the worst episodes of Italian fandom was recorded: with one lap to go you, leading on a Brabham, go off track and hit a wall, and the fans get up on their feet and celebrates, claps, chants for the victory that goes to Ferrari's Frenchman Patrick Tambay.

It was incredible and mortifying. They were all happy that I hit the wall. And I remember that I thought I was playing a home game, as my hometown Padova is only 150 km from Imola... Let's say that I made up for it by winning with a Williams in 1990. They even clapped for me.

In 1992 you were second in the World Driver's Championship behind Nigel Mansell, while in 1993 at Benetton, with a young Schumacher as teammate, you retired at the end of the year.

This is how it went: after the last GP of the season, due to the horrible relationship with the Benetton team and especially with Mr Briatore, I agreed to leave the team. They weren't happy about me, they said I should retire, they would say "you can't even keep up with that youngster, with Schumi." Funny that since then no Italian driver has managed to win as much as me; funny that we all later saw what kind of exceptional talent that Schumi youngster turned out to be. Well, that's it. I was fed up, depressed, and told myself: "You're 40, it's time to quit now." And that's what I did.

But at Imola 94...

The Senna and Ratzenberger tragedy.

Yeah, and what else happened?

Before the tragedies, in Imola, I agreed with Frank to be his test driver for a year. During the winter I started to miss racing: I thought that being a Williams tester I would have managed to nick Damon Hill's place. We had that agreement on Friday, and then I went back home.

And then those two accidents.

Frank called me: "We need you," he told me, "not just as a tester, but as first driver." I replied "yes" immediately.

But then you didn't race anymore.

Yes, because in the days that followed the tragedies I starting having doubts: it never happened to me while I was racing. I started thinking about how lucky I was to still be alive after 17 years in F1, I thought that everything always went well for me, that Ayrton was a driver as experienced as I was, that I drove the safe car that was mine for five years... and now he was dead. I called Williams: "Frank," I said, "I don't feel like it anymore."

And what now?

Now I enjoy life.


Riccardo is 50 years old tomorrow. Buon compleanno!

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#2 lukywill

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 18:43

thanks, nice reading :up:

williams called patrese to be first driver after the imola accident!
didn´t know that.

#3 Felix

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 18:49

Lovely stuff, Mickey! I have many happy memories of Riccardo; he always was one F1's gentlemen.

#4 glorius&victorius

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 18:55

Very honest and touching! Man, this 10 years Imola brings up all kinds of emotions...

#5 Viktor

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 21:00

Thanks Mickey :up: :up:

/Viktor

#6 D-Type

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 21:03

Originally posted by Mickey
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I said, "I don't feel like it anymore."

[B]And what now?[B]

Now I enjoy life.

That rather says it all, doesn't it?

Sometimes I feel we forget that our heroes have feeelings.

#7 Pikachu Racing

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 21:08

Great interview

#8 Ivan

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 21:17

:up:
He is one of my favorite drivers

#9 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 21:44

Anthony Davidson (current BAR-Honda test driver) drove Alain Prost's Mclaren-Honda (i dont recall the year) at Goodwood and I beleive shook it down somewhere else prior to that. He made the comment that his current car was more difficult to drive.

Now Patrese hasnt driven anything more modern than a 96 spec Williams and my guess is both comments are somewhat self serving. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle and comes down to whether you consider it more difficult to catch or hold a slide, or to not make it slide.

#10 1george

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Posted 16 April 2004 - 21:53

Thank you Mickey

Nice bloke Riccardone. I had the luck to have a dinner with him and some BMW PR people at the 1987 Spanish GP at Jerez and he is very polite, good talker and very good one telling jokes, we tried to tell italian and spanish sex jokes to the german PRs, and all of it became in an absurd situation but we laughed a lot.

As a driver I think that F1 was a bit unfair with him. He deserved more success.

#11 SEdward

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 12:42

I always admired Patrese. He made an indelible impression on me at the 1977 Thruxton F2 race. He outbraked car after car into the complex at the top of the hill (can't remember its name), flat-spotted his tyres, pitted for a tyre change, and roared back up through the field.

His involvement in Peterson's accident seriously impeded his progress in F1. He was, I maintain, falsely accused as being the culprit. I'm not sure he ever got completely over it. But in any case, he wandered a bit before joining Brabham, where he was able to show his true worth. Remember that he gave Il Leone a pretty hard time in their first season together at Williams.

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#12 Felix

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 13:43

In January 1990 Riccardo P and Thierry Boutsen came out to Kyalami, South Africa to test for Williams. I managed to wrangle a job as driver gofer for the period, and drove them around for a week.

On the Wednesday afternoon testing was washed out by a typical Highveld thunderstorm, and Riccardo suggested we go into Johannesburg's CBD for diamond shopping - which we did.

I never saw him again (in person, out of a racing car) until over 10 years later (April 2000) when I bumped into him in Imola's paddock. He took one look at this clumsy soul, smiled his trademark broad grin and pointed at me. 'Diamonds. He took me to buy diamonds in South Africa,' he said to his mates, first in Italian, then English.'

Needless to say I was absolutely astonished...

#13 x_acto

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 16:58

I like Patrese a lot!

A trully gentlemen and a good driver!

I miss him in the track... :cry:

#14 Maldwyn

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:55

Thanks for posting this Mickey. It’s always interesting to hear what Riccardo has to say, and the interview raises the tantalising “what if…” Gilles hadn’t won in Montreal.

Thanks also to 1george & Felix for sharing your stories.

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 09:36

Very interesting interview, Mickey, thanks a lot :cool:

There was also an interview with Patrese in MotorSport this year about the 1983 San Marino GP. (I liked its title very much: "The Fastest Lapse") He said, when he got out of the car, he didn't notice what was going on at first, since he was so buried in his thoughts. Than he realized that the Italians were happy for him to retire. Did anyone met Italian fans, who were supporting Patrese? I did. When Riccardo started from pole at the 1989 Hungarian GP, on my way to the circuit, me and my father bumped into some Italians, who were singing Riccardo Patrese's name. My father speaks some Italian and we liked Riccardo being on pole as well, so he shouted "Viva Patrese!" and the Italians were delighted to here such a comment... So are there any real Patrese fans over there in Italy?

#16 Paolo

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 13:10

YES

I remember I was a teenager jumping and yelling as Riccardo went... and then I CLEARLY remember myself frozen in mid air in the middle of a jump... my throat dry... refusing to touch the ground again.

How sweet it was, that he later recovered from an apparently unstoppable dive in his career.

#17 Maldwyn

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 17:43

Originally posted by Geza Sury
So are there any real Patrese fans over there in Italy?

I would be interested to know the general view of Riccardo in Italy. Did/does he have a lot of support from Italian motorsport enthusiasts?

#18 Paolo

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 13:28

Originally posted by Maldwyn

I would be interested to know the general view of Riccardo in Italy. Did/does he have a lot of support from Italian motorsport enthusiasts?


Well, F1 in Italy is about Ferrari.

That's because Ferrari is popular with anyone : even people who don't know anything else about F1, don't even watch it on TV, know Ferrari and will show some sign of support-appreciation-judgement about how are they doing .

People who actually know something about F1 are a minority. Those who will understand what "sovrasterzo" (oversteer) means, a minority of that minority.
Among these latter , Riccardo was popular. Not to the point that they would better see him winning than a Ferrari, but surely to the point that everyone was happy to see him win IF both Ferrari retired. Let's say more than Fisico today.

I personally knew only 2 other boys who were supporting Riccardo instead of Ferrari.
I saw however, that the more dedicated to the sport a fan was, the greater his appreciation for Riccardo.
Nowdays he's very respected, but I'd not say he's famous. I think he can walk in the streets with no troubles, but count on more than a couple autograph requests every day.

#19 John B

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 14:05

One point about the 1983 San Marino race is that there was a lot of Ferrari emotion that year. It was one year after the infamous Villeneuve-Pironi controversy, Gilles last race in the #27, and I remember fans had painted memorials to Gilles on the track and the like. Tambay of course subsequently won the race in the #27 -- in a different year without the extraordinary circumstances, or perhaps even if Arnoux won with the #28, would the reaction have been a bit less muted to Patrese's misfortune?

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#20 PLAYLIFE

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 14:43

Arnoux would have been 2nd if he didn't spin at the same corner as Patrese as I recall.


Great interview, thanks for sharing, learnt a few things from that!

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#21 Teapot

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 16:49

I was a huge Patrese's fan in my early youth, even before I actually witnessed a Gp: he bears my same name and, at the time, I found that this was enough to support him (at six we're all a bit egocentric)! Later, I discovered many others reasons to appreciate him: one for all (but I could list many), the battle with Mansell in the 1991 Mexican Gp. Also, he's the man who saved me from becoming a tiny lamb in the Ferrari flock (a common risk, here in Italy :) )