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#1 humphries

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 09:37

Can anyone tell me what races, if any, were organised in Czechoslovakia in 1948? A race in Prague was scheduled for 25 April but it may have been cancelled. Although there were quite a few races in 1947 the Communist coup happened in February 1948. How much disruption this caused to everyday life I'm not sure but there were purges of the editorial staffs of newspapers and periodicals. This may have resulted in the lack of race reports in Svet Motoru in 1948 ( or I missed out when doing the research in Prague! ). In 1949 things appear to have returned to "normal" and the authorities appear to have encouraged the sport, even sanctioning the international Brno race.

A similar more drastic purge happened with the Soviet clampdown on Eastern European countries in 1956, the reporting of races took a downturn yet I believe Tatra ran three 2.5 works T607s in races between 1956-1959. Can anybody expand on this period?

Also does anybody have knowledge of races, other than those at Brno, held in the Twenties and Thirties?

And finally does anybody know the whereabouts of Karel Repa? I have tried unsuccesssfully for the last couple of years to contact him at his GTMedia site or by letter. A few years back I was regularly in touch. He could answer all these questions and more! He has the best motor-racing library for this region especially as all the National Science Museum records concerning motor/ technical matters were destroyed in the Great Floods. Why did they move them from the Museum on the hills over looking the city?!!! Karel is the undisputed expert on racing in Czechoslovakia and his collection is a vital resource for motor-racing historians. Let's hope he is well and his library safe.

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#2 uechtel

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 11:07

Looks like we have also our experts here:

http://forums.atlasf...&threadid=51070

in particular post No. 17

and you alos might have a look at

http://forums.atlasf...&threadid=13746

and

http://forums.atlasf...&threadid=66316

And then there ist these two great sites

http://wsrp.wz.cz/nonchamp.html
http://isr.cudlici.com/

(just select 'Czechoslovakian races 1945-1969' in the choice box and you´ll probably get what you look for)

#3 humphries

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 15:45

Thanks, but they don't provide any new information.

Post war "Svet Motoru" appears to be the main source but I have already researched those. A short run of pre-war "Svet Motoru" is held at Boston Spa from which again I have gleaned information.

Unfortunately it looks like newspaper reports or club journals are needed but apparently many of these publications, along with pre-war motoring magazines, were "destroyed" with regime approval. That is why the collection of Karel Repa, acquired over a life time and as a private collection spared official pruning, is so valuable. Even much of his Czech material including programmes had to be acquired from private collections held in neighbouring states. Hopefully Karel is safely locked away working on the definitive history of Czech racing.

But there may be an TNFer with alternative sources; sons or daughters of past drivers or retired club officials who have retained programmes and official results etc. One can but hope.

John

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 18:35

John, I know only one "Czechoslovak" race in 1948, but it is a race in Poland (Kraków) with Czechoslovakian drivers.

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 19:04

Originally posted by humphries
Also does anybody have knowledge of races, other than those at Brno, held in the Twenties and Thirties?

I have two problems with this. The first is that German publications use different names from the Czechoslovakian for the same places, which can be confusing to others of us, and the other is the practice common in most non-English texts of applying the term “race” to what we would call a hillclimb.
However, I think the following are races by any definition.
•The Praded or Altvater event based on Karlova-Studenka and run in 1927 and 1928
•The 1000 Mil Ceskoslovenskych of 1933-35, which presents a third problem in that it is difficult to tell to what extent it was a race and how much it was a reliability trial. The fact that the last event was won by a Bugatti 35B mit Ford V8 suggests to me there was a significant speed component
•The so-called Bohdance race of 1935 - a hillclimb?
•The Mlada Boleclav race of 1936 - another hillclimb?
I’d be interested in your comments on this list :D

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Posted 12 June 2004 - 01:59

Can anyone tell me what races, if any, were organised in Czechoslovakia in 1948?



I have:

Velka cena Prahy 2.5.1948 no results
Liberecky okruh 6.6.1948

1. Cisitalia Bruno Sojka
2. Magda-FIAT Jaroslav Vlèek
3. Cisitalia Vladimír Komár

Maserati (Vojtechovsky), Z, 2 Bugattis, DKW

Hradecky okruh no date no results


not much...

#7 humphries

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Posted 12 June 2004 - 11:50

David

I'll put together what dates I have for pre-war CZ circuit races.

Sat

Thanks for the Liberecky information.

Can you tell me if Druhy Liberecky okruh, 1947 means 2nd edition? If so the 1950 race was the V ( fifth ) and there would have been races in 1948 (III) and 1949 (IV). Have you any 1949 results? I have a page which may relate to the race at Liberec but I think a page is missing. It has Dobry winning the Sports 2000cc in his Frazer-Nash in 30' 43.0.

John

#8 humphries

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Posted 12 June 2004 - 17:25

Czech Pre-war circuit races

Kurorte Rennen ( in German ) 14/8/1921 (I) and 20/7/1924 (II), Karlsbad to Marienbad. (Not to be confused with the Karlsbad Bergrennen series.)

Stribrny Triangle, the V was held on 6/8/1933. A race was held at Schwarzbrunn on 4/7/1926. Are these the same location or different?

Hradec. 6/6/1933. I believe a III Hradecky okruh was held in 1949.

Zlinsk. 30/7/1933 This was the first and possibly only race there.

There were also circuit races, I Bohdanec and III Lochotin in 1935.

In 1936 the III Bransk and III Ceskobrodsk meetings were held.

There were, of course many hill-climbs, the famous race at Brno and the 1000 Mil, which was a race rather than a trial. A Bugatti won in 1935 but I don't think it had a Ford engine; the race was for production-type sports cars. A Ford 3.6 Coupe was second. Many Italians turned up for this one with Peverelli/ Ronchetti 6th in a Alfa Romeo 2.3 Coupe. The Fiats, including the Villoresi brothers, took on the local 1100s and one finished 10th just ahead of an Aero.

Source Svet Motoru 1933-1936.

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Posted 12 June 2004 - 18:11

Can you tell me if Druhy Liberecky okruh, 1947 means 2nd edition?



Exactly

For 1949 I have only calender, but quite sure not complete:

AK Liberec 12.6.1949 IV. Liberecký okruh
AK Hradec Králové 26.6.1949 Hradecký okruh 1949
AK Kutná Hora 3.7.1949 Kutnohorský okruh
AK Nová Paka 10.7.1949 III. Novopacký okruh
AK Mìlník 17.7.1949 V. Mìlnický okruh


as it was also races in Praha, Vsetin and Plzen (Lochotinsky okruh)

I have absolutely no results to this year.

Zlinsk



name of city is Zlin

Ceskobrodsk



name of city is Cesky Brod


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Posted 12 June 2004 - 18:19

1 Ecce-Homo
1905 0 Ecce Home Hill Hildesheimer Mercedes 60 hp
<> <<<<
1921 1 Ecce Home Hill Klabazna Tatra T 3.6-liter
1922 2 Ecce Home Hill Muttermuller Tatra Type U 6.5-liter
1923 3 Ecce Home Hill Rützler Steyr 4.5-liter
1924 4 Ecce Home Hill Salzer Mercedes
1925 5 Ecce Home Hill Kinsky Steyr
1926 6 Ecce Home Hill Junek Bugatti 2.3-liter
1927 7 Ecce Home Hill Junek Bugatti
1928 8 Ecce Home Hill Bondy Bugatti T37A
1929 9 Ecce Home Hill Stuck Austro-Daimler 3.0
1930 10 Ecce Home Hill Veřmiřowsky Tatra-Special
1931 , <<<< , ,
1937 13 Ecce Home Hill Schmidt Bugatti T51A
1938 , <><><><> , ,
1950 , Ecce Homo Okruh Sojka Tatra 2600
1951 , Ecce Homo Okruh Bobek Skoda 1100
1952 , Ecce Homo Okruh Pavelká Tatra 2600
1953 , Ecce Homo Okruh Vermirovsky Tatra 2600
1954 , Ecce Homo Okruh Pavelká Tatra 2600
1955 , << , ,
1957 , Ecce Homo Okruh Vermirovsky Tatra 2600
1958 , Ecce Homo Okruh Vermirovsky Tatra 2600
1958 . Ecce Homo okruh Treybal ESO



1 Zbraslav-Jíloviště
1908 1 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Joerns Opel
1909 , << , ,
1911 2 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Hieronimus Laurin-Klement
1912 , < , ,
1913 3 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Joerns Opel
1914 4 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Hörner Benz 200 hp
1915 , <><><><> , ,
1921 5 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Salzer Mercedes
1922 6 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Salzer Mercedes 28/95 hp
1923 7 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Rützler Steyr 4.5-liter
1924 8 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Salzer Mercedes
1925 9 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Divo Delage 7.0-liter 12-cyl
1926 10 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Junek Bugatti
1927 11 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Heusser Steyr
1928 , < , ,
1929 12 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Stuck Austro-Daimler ADR 3.0
1930 13 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Stuck Austro-Daimler ADR 3.6
1931 14 Zbraslav-Jíloviště Stuck Mercedes-Benz SSKL



1 Karlovy Vary klim
1920 1 Karlovy Vary Steuer Fiat 3.4-liter
1921 , <<< , ,
1924 2 Karlovy Vary Kluge Mercedes 1.5 S



1 Plzeň-Třemošna Klim
1923 1 Plzeň-Třemošna klim Junek Bugatti
1924 2 Plzeň-Třemošna klim Kinsky Steyr-Sport, 6-Cyl.



1 Brno-Soběšice klim
1924 1 Brno-Soběšice klim Wetzka Austro-Daimler ADM
1925 2 Brno-Soběšice klim Junek Bugatti T35
1926 3 Brno-Soběšice klim Junek Bugatti 2.0-liter
1927 , <<<<< , ,
1929 6 Brno-Soběšice klim Bondy Bugatti T37A


1 Dubi-Cinvald klim
1924 1 Dubi-Cinvald klim Kluge Mercedes 1.5 S
1925 2 Dubi-Cinvald klim Junek Bugatti T35


1 Schober klim
1924 4 Schober Urban O.M. 1.5-liter
1925 , < , ,
1926 6 Schober Junek Bugatti 2.0-liter


1 Schwarzbrunn Climb
1926 . Schwarzbrunn x x


1 Svatý Kopeček
1926 . Svatý Kopeček Junek Bugatti


1 Rund um Marienbad
1926 , Rund um Marienbad Von Morawitz Bugatti


1 Knovíz-Olšany
1928 . Knovíz-Olšany Junek Bugatti T35C


1 Brno
1930 1 Masaryk Circuit Zu Leiningen/Von Morgen Bugatti T35B
1930 Okruh Voit Hardegg Bugatti
1931 2 Masaryk Circuit Chiron Bugatti T51
1931 Okruh Voit Schmidt Bugatti
1932 3 Masaryk Circuit Chiron Bugatti T51
1932 . Okruh Voit Burggaller Bugatti
1933 4 Masaryk Circuit Chiron Alfa Romeo Type B/P3
1933 Okruh Voit Burggaller Bugatti
1934 5 Masaryk Circuit Stuck Auto Union Type A
1934 Okruh Voit Farina Maserati
1935 6 Masaryk GP Rosemeyer Auto Union Type B
1935 Okruh Voit Seaman ERA
1936
1937 7 Masaryk GP Caracciola Mercedes-Benz W125
1937 Okruh Voit Villoresi Maserati
1938 , <><><><>


1 Brno kort
1949 8 Czechoslovakian GP Whitehead P Ferrari 125
1949 x Brno sport Treybal Simca
1950 9 (Czechoslovakian GP) geanuleerd .
1950 9 Velká Cena Czech Hovorka Maserati
1951 <
1952 . Velká Cena Czech Pavelka Tatra 2600
1953 <
1954 . Velká Cena Czech Pavelka Tatra 2600


1 Brno kort 2
1962 . Brno okruh Kurt Ahrens jr Cooper Ford
1963 . Brno okruh Bardi-Barry Cooper Ford
1964 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Gajdoš Delfín Tatra
1964 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Byczkowsky Melkus / Wartburg
1964 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Mattila Lotus
1965 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Melkus Wartburg
1965 . Cup of Peace and Friendschip Melkus Melkus-Wartburg
1966 . Brno okruh (CS) (Sep 4) Dubler Brabham / Ford
1967 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Bobek Škoda F3
1967 . Soviet F3 kamp Hubácˇek Lotus Ford
1967 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Mohr De Sanctis
1968 . Brno okruh (cs) (Aug 18) Wisell Tecno / Ford
1969 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Kottulinski Lotus 59 Ford
1969 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Wissel Tecno 69
1970 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Dubler Chevron B17
1971 , <<<<<<<<<< , ,


1 Brno automotodrom
1988 1 GP CSSR Schlesser -Mass Sauber-Mercedes C9
1988 1 GP Brno F3 Kaufmann no
1989 1 GP Brno F3 Bartels no
1990 <
1991 <
1992 1 I GP Brno F3 Lamy no
1992 1 II GP Brno F3 Lamy no
1993 , < , ,
1994 , < , ,
1995 , Czech F3 champ Karhanek Dallara F393
1995 , Czech F3 champ Karhanek Dallara F393
1995 , Czech F3 champ Woss Dallara F393
1996 , Czech F3 champ Kopp Dallara 394 Opel
1996 , Czech F3 champ Kopp Dallara 394 Opel
1996 , Czech F3 champ Crespi Dallara F393
1996 , Czech F3 champ Crespi Dallara F393
1997 , < , ,
1998 1 WK sport race Collard -Sospiri Ferrari 333SP
1999 2 WK sport race Gounon -Tinseau Lola B98/10 Judd
2000 , FIA central Europa F3 Mucke Dallara F300 Opel
2000 , FIA central Europa F3 Mucke Dallara F300 Opel
2000 , FIA central Europa F3 Cavicci Dallara F398 Opel
2000 , FIA central Europa F3 Kostelecky Dallara F399 Opel
2000 3 WK sport race Pescatori -Terrien Ferrari 333SP
2001 4 WK sport race Nielsen -Katoh Dome S101-Judd
2001 4B WK sport race Omberto -Bjork Lola B2K/40-Nissan
2002 . sport internatinal Leitgeb Fadewa-Cosworth
2002 . sport internatinal Leitgeb Fadewa-Cosworth
2002 5 WK sport race Lammers -Hillebrand Dome S101-Judd
2002 1 Brno F3000 Europa Melo Lola
2003 . Brno F3000 Europa Del Monte Lola


1 Ploskovice-Ober-Rzepsch -Litoměřice
1931 . Ploskovice-Ober-Rzepsch Von Morgen Bugatti T35B 4948
1932 . Ploskovice-Ober-Rzepsch Pietsch Bugatti T35B 4948


1 Praag-Bratislavia-Praag
1933 1 1000m Czechoslovakea Mucha Prage
1934 . 1000m Czechoslovakea Knapp Walter
1935 . 1000m Czechoslovakea Kubicek Bugatti


1 Jicin (Jicˇín) (Cena Prachovskyck Skol)(Skaly)
1964 . Cena Prachovsky Czech champ´ Brettschneider Melkus Wartburg
1965 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Mattila Cooper / Ford
1966 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Bobek Škoda F3
1966 CSR Cena Czech republic Ondrejack Lotus Ford
1967 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Bobek Škoda F3
1968 . < , ,
1969 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth
1970 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Ondøejík Lotus 41C Cosworth
1970 . Velká Cena Cˇeskoslovenská (CS) Jicín (Aug 21) Ondøejík Lotus 41C Cosw


1 Piesˇt'any
1964 . Cena Slovenská no no


1 Koprivnice (Sˇtramberk)(Stramberk)
1964 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Valenta Mustang Wartburg
1965 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Valenta Mustang Wartburg
1966 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Bobek Škoda F3
1967 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Bobek Škoda F3
1967 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Fousek Škoda F3
1968 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèe Lotus 41C Cosworth
1968 . Soviet F3 kamp Fousek Škoda F3
1969 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Ondøejík Lotus 41C Cosworth
1970 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth


1 Most
1965 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Bobek Škoda F3
1966 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Bobek Škoda F3
1967 . <<<< , ,
1970 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth
1970 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Ondøejík Lotus 41C Cosworth
1971 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth
1971 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Janotka Arcus Wartburg
1972 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1972 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1972 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Mlèek MGK Wartburg
1973 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1974 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1974 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1975 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1976 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1977 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1978 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1979 . sport internatinal Przybilla TOJ SC302 - Ford
1979 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1980 . sport internatinal Jöst Porsche 908/80
1980 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1981 . sport internatinal Mass Porsche 908/80
1982 . sport internatinal Wollok Porsche 936/80
1982 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1983 . sport internatinal Brun Porsche 956
1984 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1984 . sport internatinal Niedzwiedz Ford-Zakspeed C1/8
1985 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1985 . sport internatinal Barilla Porsche 956
1986 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1986 . sport internatinal Winter Porsche 956
1987 . sport internatinal Weidler Porsche 962C
1988 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1988 . sport internatinal Dauer Porsche 962C
1989 . sport internatinal Fouché Porsche 962C-K6
1990 . sport internatinal Schneider Porsche 962C-K6
1991 . sport internatinal Schneider Porsche 962C
1991 1 Wurzburg F3 Kox ,
1992 . sport internatinal Reuter Porsche Spyder 962C-K7
1993 . sport internatinal Lavaggi Porsche
1994 . sport internatinal Taylor J Jordan 191 - Ford
1995 , Czech F3 champ Karhanek Dallara F393
1995 , Czech F3 champ Karhanek Dallara F393
1995 . sport internatinal Careca Penske Buick
1995 , Czech F3 champ Karhanek Dallara F393
1995 , Czech F3 champ Karhanek Dallara F393
1996 , Czech F3 champ Karhanek Dallara F393
1996 , Czech F3 champ Karhanek Dallara F393
1996 , Czech F3 champ Kopp Dallara F394 Opel
1996 , Czech F3 champ Kopp Dallara F394 Opel
1996 , Czech F3 champ Aguas Dallara F395
1996 . sport internatinal Careca Penske Buick
1996 , Czech F3 champ Aguas Dallara F395
1997 . sport internatinal Careca Penske Buick
1998 . sport internatinal Becker Minardi - Hart
1998 . sport internatinal Neuhauser Reynard - Judd
1999 . sport internatinal Zwart Arrows - Judd F1
2000 . sport internatinal no no
2000 . sport internatinal Neuhauser Minardi - Ford
2001 . sport internatinal Johansson/Lemarié Audi R8
2001 . sport internatinal Gene J/Pillon Reynard 2KQ-LMP 675
2001 . sport internatinal Neuhauser Minardi 190 - Ford
2002 . sport internatinal Lim Dallara Opel
2002 . sport internatinal Lim Dallara Opel
2002 , Cˇesky´ Superprix Goddard Benetton / Ford
2002 . sport internatinal Lim Dallara Opel
2002 . sport internatinal Milavec Lola Audi-Turbo
2003 . sport internatinal Wagner Reynard-Cosworth
2003 . sport internatinal Wagner Reynard-Cosworth


1 Piesˇt'any
1965 7 Cena Slovenská Byczkowsky Melkus Wartburg
1966 8 Cena Slovenská Mattila Cooper Ford
1967 . Cena Slovenská no no
1968 . Cena Slovenská no no


1 Strahov Praag
1966 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Jankowski Rak / Ford
1966 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Melkus Melkus Wartburg
1967 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Jankowski RAK Cosworth


1 Prievidza
1967 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth
1968 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Ondøejík Delfín II Ford
1968 . Prievidza no no


1 Hovirov (Havioov)
1968 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèe Lotus 41C Cosworth
1969 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth
1969 . Soviet F3 kamp Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth
1970 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Ondrejík Lotus / Ford
1970 . Soviet F3 kamp Ondrejík Lotus / Ford
1971 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Mlèek MGK Wartburg
1971 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth
1972 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Janotka Arcus II. Fiat
1973 . <<< , ,
1976 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1977 . <<< , ,
1981 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1982 . < , ,
1983 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no
1984 . <<< , ,
1990 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int no no


1 Rosice
1968 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèe Lotus 41C Cosworth


1 Piesˇt'any
1969 . Cena Slovenská Svensson Lotus / Ford


1 Minsk
1969 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth
1970 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Ondøejík Lotus 41C Cosworth


1 Olomouc
1969 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth
1970 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Hubáèek Lotus 41C Cosworth


1 Klatovy
1970 . Czechoslvak F3 Champ Int Ondøejík Lotus 41C Cosworth

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Posted 12 June 2004 - 18:36

Boniver :wave:

so much info, but so many gramatic faults...

Czechoslvak

:confused:

Svatý Kopeèek


almost certainly hill climb

1967 . Soviet F3 kamp Hubáèek Lotus Ford


in no case soviet championship in Czechoslovakia!, sure it is "Pohar socialistickych zemi" later known as Cup for Peace and Friendship


1 Knovíz-Olšany


not sure, hill climb also?

1 Minsk


also no Czechoslovakian championship in USSR (Minsk - today Belarus)


...but no offence...

#12 anjakub

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Posted 13 June 2004 - 20:48

Supplement to Czechered History of Races from Poland

II (2nd) street race for the Golden Laurels of the Wawel
Kraków
13 September 1948
Street circuit: 2,0 km; 15 laps = 30 km

Touring cars
Class II (1200 cc)
1. Jaroslav Jonak (CS/Z.Z. Praha) Aero Special, 22.36,0 = 79,5 km/h
2. Heront (CS/AK CSR) Fiat MM, 24.22,2
3. Jaroslav Vlcek (CS/AK CSR) Aero Minor, 24.33,6
4. Wiktor Wójcik (PL/AP Kraków) Fiat 1100, 25.03,0
5. K. Golawiecki (PL/AP Kraków) DKW, 25.59,0
Class III (2000 cc)
1. "Zbik" (PL/AP Kraków) Citroën 11, 22.22,2 = 80,6 km/h
2. Anton (CS/Z.Z. Praha) Frazer Nash, 23.08,0
3. Aleksander Mazurek (PL/AP Warszawa) Citroën 11 23.26,4
4. Michal Nahorski (PL/AP Kraków) Lancia Aprilia, 23.42,0
5. Leopold Lancman (CS/AK Liberec) BMW 326, 24.45,4
6. Stanislaw Podgórski (PL/AP Kraków) Tatra 97, 26.59,0
Class IV (over 2000 cc)
1. Wladyslaw Rzezniczek (PL/AP Katowice) Willys, 23.56,4 = 75,5 km/h

Sports cars
Class I (1500 cc)
1. Jaroslav Vlcek (CS/AK CSR) Magda, 20.19,2 = 88,3 km/h
2. Treybal (CS/AK CSR) H.R.G., 20.41,1
3. Jaroslav Jonak (CS/Z.Z. Praha) Aero Special, 21.34,2
x. Hovorka (CS/?) BMW
x. Vaclav Uher (CS/?)
x. Heront (CS/?)
Class II (2500 cc)
1. Dobry (CS/AK CSR) BMW 328, 19.31,2 = 92,8 km/h
2. Leopold Lancman (CS/AK Liberec) BMW 328, 20.38,4
3. Tadeusz Tabencki (PL/AP Kraków) BMW 328, 21.40,8
4. Zbigniew Borowczyk (PL/AP Katowice) BMW 328, 21.48,0
4. Kazmierek (PL/AP Katowice) BMW 328, 22.19,2

Fastest lap:
Touring cars: "Zbik" 1.26,4 = 83,7 km/h
Sports cars: Dobry 1.16,8 = 93,5 km/h


Note: in results – name, nationality, club, car, time, speed
Wawel – name of a hill in Kraków and name of a royal castle on this hill

#13 humphries

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 09:40

Sat

Thanks for the name corrections. When writing to local libraries I will need to get the town right!!


Anjakub

Thanks for the information on the 1948 Krakow race. If the 1940/1950s Czech races are difficult to research then Polish races for the same period are even more so. I know next to nothing except races were held at places like Krakow, Poznan and Warsaw and probably elsewhere. The British motoring press occasionally mentioned these races but they were seen as oddities. But for historians and TNFers they are now unexpected delights. The first Krakow race?

John

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 17:47

John, I should think that research of Polish races in 1940/50s is easily than Czech races.

For your information and other interested TNFers - Polish racing calendar for first years after WWII

1947
Warszawa – 11.05.1947
Kraków – 12.10. 1947
Wroclaw – 21.11. 1947

1948
Warszawa – 6.05. 1948
Kraków – 13.09.1948

1949 and 1950 – black hole (not any race)

1951
Warszawa – 7.10.1951

1952
Kraków – 13.07.1952
Warszawa – 7.09.1952
Lublin – 5.10.1952

1953
(beginning of Polish racing championship)
Warszawa – 17.05.1953
Kraków – 21.06.1953
Gizycko – 15.08.1953
Lublin – 4.10.1953
and
Bielsko – 25.10.1953 (race under name „Intensify Polish-Soviet friendship” )

Etc.

I have almost full results of all above races.

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 18:15

Anjakub

Great to hear you have all the information. More dates please. Hopefully you are planning to do a history of motorsport in Poland. If not, you ought to!! I'll buy a copy. It will make a pleasant change from today's slot car racing.

John

#16 David McKinney

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 18:41

I'll have one too, please :up:

#17 anjakub

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 14:31

Of course I prepare a history of motorsport in Poland: first part - before WWII, second - in years 1947-1971 (later Formula Easter replaced Formula 3). Now I need a lot of time to finish a work.
Naturally, I'll remember about you.

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 22:46

Originally posted by humphries
....Have you any 1949 results? I have a page which may relate to the race at Liberec but I think a page is missing. It has Dobry winning the Sports 2000cc in his Frazer-Nash in 30' 43.0.

John


Hi John,

IV. Liberecký okruh, 19.6.1949

Sport cars up-to 750ccm 5 started, 3 classified
1. L.Lancman, Minor-sport 650, 31:05,6
2. J.Musil, Jawa 700, 31:45,8
3. F.Brenner, AVA 700, 34:00,6

Sport cars up-to 1100ccm, 8 started, 6 classified
1. J.Jonák, Aero S, 30:18,2
2. M.Fousek, Škoda 1101, 30:30,0
3. K.Kácha, Fiat, 30:52,7

Sport cars up-to 1500ccm, 7 started, 6 classified
1. V.Bobek, Škoda 1101 komp., 28:53,0
2. J.Netušil, Škoda 1101 komp., 30:10,2
3. F.Sauerstein, HRG, 30:29,9

Sport cars over 1500ccm, 8 started, 7 classified
1.M.Jurèa, BMW, 28:41,7
2. F.Dobrý, Frazer-Nash, 28:47,2
3. Z.Sojka, BMW, 29:02,5

Race cars, 7 started, 7 classified
1. B.Sojka, Cisitalia 1065, 28:24,4
2. J.Vlèek, Magda 1100 komp., 28:32,1
3. V.Uher, Maserati 1500, 28:32,6

Source: Svìt motorù



About Czech F3 races and winners look at my post No.53 at this thread: http://forums.atlasf...64&pagenumber=2

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 13:08

Originally posted by sat


I have:

Velka cena Prahy 2.5.1948 no results
Liberecky okruh 6.6.1948

1. Cisitalia Bruno Sojka
2. Magda-FIAT Jaroslav Vlèek
3. Cisitalia Vladimír Komár

Maserati (Vojtechovsky), Z, 2 Bugattis, DKW

Hradecky okruh no date no results


not much...


Velka cena Prahy 2.5.1948
10 laps 23 km.
35,000 spectators, heavy rain
sports and racing cars up to 1500cc.
sports:
1. Viktor Mraz Fiat 1100SS 10:02.2
racing:
1. Jaroslav Vlèek Magda-Fiat no time

Mraz was FIAT agent in Prague. (From Auto Italiana 15/5/1948)
I'd love to know more about the 1948 season in Czechoslovakia.

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 19:44

Originally posted by alessandro silva


Velka cena Prahy 2.5.1948
10 laps 23 km.
35,000 spectators, heavy rain
sports and racing cars up to 1500cc.
sports:
1. Viktor Mraz Fiat 1100SS 10:02.2
racing:
1. Jaroslav Vlèek Magda-Fiat no time

Mraz was FIAT agent in Prague. (From Auto Italiana 15/5/1948)
I'd love to know more about the 1948 season in Czechoslovakia.


Viktor Mráz´s car was coupe Fiat 1100 S Migle Miglia

Michal

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Posted 12 June 2005 - 08:55

Originally posted by anjakub
1948
Warszawa – 6.05. 1948
Kraków – 13.09.1948
I have almost full results of all above races. [/B]


In a German source ("Motorsport-Informationsdienst", issue July/1948 - many thanks to eukie for that) I found the following brief report:

"In the race for the 'Prize of the President of Poland', which had 55 classified of a total of 89 starters, the main trophy went to the victorious Czech Aero-Minor small-car team Hodac, Wlock and Mrac. In the medium class Skoda drivers were all among themselves and the final was won by Czech driver Pohl on Jaguar in front of Tatra driver Hausmann."

I assume the Warszaw race?

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Posted 12 June 2005 - 21:03

Michael, it was rally not race.
In 1948 (25 June - 4 July) was held the XIV Miedzynarodowy Rajd Automobilklubu Polski (14th International Rally of Automobilclub Poland).

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#23 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 13 June 2005 - 09:16

here you can find a lot of results from 1978 onwards (Text is in German)
http://www.puru.de/most.html

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Posted 13 June 2005 - 15:47

Andrzej, thanks for clarification. :up:

#25 anjakub

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Posted 13 June 2005 - 16:25

For interested

Cars and motorcycles race under patronage of minister of transport engineer J. Rabanowski under motto „Motor sport rebuilds Warsaw”.

Warszawa
6.05.1948 (Thursday)
Street circuit: Aleja Stalina (now Aleje Ujazdowskie) - Agrykola - Mysliwiecka – Górnoslaska (~2900 m) – 10 laps
100.000 spectators


Klasa I (touring cars, to 1500 cc)
1. Stefan Laczkowski, Lancia Aprilia, 29m21s = 59,4 km/h
2. Jan Jagielski, Opel Olympia
3. Jerzy Wereszczynski, MG

Klasa II (touring cars, over 1500 cc)
1. Józef Nowak, Citroën 15, 26m55,5s = 64,4 km/h
2. Jagodzinski, Citroën 15
3. Janusz Piotrowski, BMW

Retired:
Wincenty Tarnawa, Aero 50
Muszynski, Opel Super (taxi!)
Wanda Lichocka, Mercedes 170V – engine’s cooling
Also partecipated (result unknown)
?. Arnold Goldkorn, Citroën 11
?. Jerzy Mirowski, BMW


Klasa S (sports cars)
1. Marian Wierzba, Lancia, 23m28,5s = 73,0 km/h
2. Józef Biernacki, Hanomag Sturm

Also partecipated (result unknown)
?. Jab³onski, Bugatti 3000 (probably third)

Retired
major Sobel (military driver), BMW
Jerzy Wereszczynski, MG
Wasilewski, Hansa
Józef Nowak, Citroën 15
Zbigniew Borowczyk, BMW 328
Józef Sucharda, Jaguar SS – broken wheel – last lap

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 10:28

Originally posted by sat


...

AK Nová Paka 10.7.1949 III. Novopacký okruh

...



Was the Czech Novopacký okruh (= Nová Paka circuit) also known as Krakonošově okruhu (= Krakonos circuit)?
And was perhaps the "Rübezahls-Ring" known in Germany, the same circuit?

Who knows? :confused:

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 20:24

Not exactly. "Krakonošův okruh" was prewar race among cities for cars from Stará Paka to Stará Paka (through Nová Paka also) for 10 laps 34 km each (1933-1935). From 1936 to 1938 motorcycles also (1 lap 22 km) : cars 7 laps, cycles 5 laps. After war no more races here.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 09:50

III. Liberecký okruh, 6.6.1948

Sport cars up-to 750ccm
1. Ivan Hodač, Aero Minor
2. Jaroslav Musil, Jawa - Minor
3. Otto Krattner, Aero Minor

Sport cars up-to 1100ccm
1. Jaroslav Jonák, Aero S
2. Jaroslav Netušil, Škoda 1101
3.

Sport cars over 1500ccm, 8 started, 7 classified
1. Leopold Lancman, BMW
2. František Dobrý, BMW
3. Václav Hovorka, BMW

Race cars, 7 started, 7 classified
1. Bruno Sojka, Cisitalia 1100
2. Jaroslav Vlček, Magda 1100 komp.
3. Antonín Komár, Cisitalia 1100


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#29 Vitesse2

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 11:45

Any comments on a book published in 2005 called "75 years of the Masaryk Circuit in Photographs"? A UK dealer is currently offering it for £19.99 (about 30 euros) + postage.

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 06:07

Nice book with 5 pictures from every race from 1930 to 2004.

#31 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 14 December 2006 - 10:22

I've found this picture which shows Zdenek Pohl at the Praze-Vrsovicich (Prag?) race in 1947
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Any more infos of that ?

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Posted 14 December 2006 - 11:01

Originally posted by humphries
Czech Pre-war circuit races

Kurorte Rennen ( in German ) 14/8/1921 (I) and 20/7/1924 (II), Karlsbad to Marienbad. (Not to be confused with the Karlsbad Bergrennen series.)

Hradec. 6/6/1933. I believe a III Hradecky okruh was held in 1949.

John


Hi John
some information about the Hradec race. In German the place is called Königgrätz. I found this in a German daily paper
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During practice on wendsday the Bugatti driver Eimer lost control and crashed into the crowds. A soldier and one spectator were killed.
Sorry nothing more and I found no trace of other races held there before WWII.

Via Iour friend and member Hans Etzrodt I can off the results :
The race at Königgrätz took place for the first time on Juli 6, 1933 over 1.770 km course through the inner city. 30 cars were entered. A practice accident by driver "?heimer" and two other cancellations reduced the over 1500 cc racing class to just one car. No details were given about the accident.
1. Race for sports cars over 20 laps
2. Race for race cars over 30 laps

Sport cars up to 750 cc
1. V. Stastny (Aero) 33m48.4s

Sport cars up to 1100 cc
1. M. Schöffel (Salmson) 31m04.2s

Sports cars up to 1500cc
1. Fl. Schmidt Bugatti) 28m02.6s

Sports cars over 1500 cc
1. Rezek (Austro-Daimler) 29m36.2s

Race cars up to 1500 cc
1. B. Sojka (Bugatti) 40m23.4s

Race Cars over 1500 cc
1. Kubicek (Bugatti) 40m00.4s

Source: AZ-Motorwelt 1933, #10 p2

#33 bigears

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Posted 14 December 2006 - 18:11

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Any comments on a book published in 2005 called "75 years of the Masaryk Circuit in Photographs"? A UK dealer is currently offering it for £19.99 (about 30 euros) + postage.


I bought it from eBay recently and it is a very good book with detailed information and photos which it is rarity especially about the old Masaryk track! It does cover races at the current Brno track as well.

#34 anjakub

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Posted 14 December 2006 - 21:30

A few words about Hradec Kralove race 1933.

Sports cars up to 1500cc :
Practice: Schmidt 1m23s, Kozmianowa 1m24s
Results:
1. Florian Schmidt (Bugatti) 28m02.6s
2. Maria Kozmianowa (Bugatti)
Laps lead: 1-3 Szczyzycki (Wikov), 4-8 Kozmianowa, 9-20 Schmidt

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 00:12

I've found this picture which shows Zdenek Pohl




Vršovický okruh 28.9.1947 (in Prague)
1500 ccm
1. HRG Z. Treybal
2. Bugatti V. Vaníček
3. Magda II-FIAT Jaroslav Vlček
over 1500
1. Bugatti Antonín Šperlík
2. Delahaye Kubíček

Z. Pohl was heavy injured in an accident

#36 Terry Walker

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 03:54

6 May 1948 race in Warsaw: looks like the street circuit still exists, but altered by a freeway through the middle:

Udjazdowski (north-south road on left of pic), left onto Agrikola, left onto Mysliewiecka, follow to Gornoslaska, and back to start.

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 11:34

Thanks anjakub & sat.
Was this the accident which ended Pohl's career ?
Do you know more about the car?

#38 David McKinney

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 12:31

The Bugatti will have been the T51 first raced by Prince Georg Lobkowicz in 1931 and by Pohl from 1932. Last I heard (1980) it was in the Prague Technical Museum
As far as I know, the 1947 event depicted was Pohl's last race

#39 anjakub

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 19:47

Very interesting picture, Terry.
It isn't Czech race but also from the same part of Europe from Poland.

The street circuit, which used in 1947, 1948 and 1951, still exists.
Course: Aleje Ujazdowskie (in that time Aleje Stalina) - Agrykola - Mysliwiecka - Gornoslaska - Piekna. On map is error - Plac Artura Zawiszy is in other part of Warsaw. Piekna street in 40's was named Piusa XI street.

On the right side of the map is other Warsaw race circuit, used in 1952, 1953, 1957 i 1958. Course: Lazienkowska - Mysliwiecka and unseen on the map Szwolezerow - Czerniakowska and back to Lazienkowska.

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#40 Terry Walker

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 00:58

Anjakub - the later circuit is on this pic.

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#41 Kvadrat

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 12:47

Here are some pages on Zbraslav - Jiloviste hillclimb from Czechoslovak books and magazines.

Automotosport magazine, 1988

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Book "Dejiny automobilovich zavodu"

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Book "Velke Zavody"

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#42 Vitesse2

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 14:33

Could we just have a clarification on the date of the 1933 Hradec/Königgrätz races? John's post says June 6th, Hugo's July 6th. As June 6th was a Tuesday and July 6th a Thursday I'm assuming that the latter is correct, given that Hugo says Eimer crashed on Wednesday?

In addition, June 6th would have been just 5 days before the Lwow race, for which Sojka was entered, but failed to start as he was unwell on the day.

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 23:40

Since we are dealing with Czech motor racing history, does anyone have any facts on whether the swap of an Alta 1.5L racing car actually took place with a MB W154.
In various threads and publications there have been photos of the MB W154 outside R.C. Rowland's garage in the UK in late 1945, however nothing has been said if an Alta racing car actually ended up in Czechoslovakia in 1945.
Maybe someone on this thread can finally put the swap story to bed!!

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Posted 27 December 2006 - 14:22

put the swap story to bed



I don't know what means put to bed. Alta race car was advertised in that time in "Svět motorů".
But I mean no buyer was found and so never left UK.

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 00:04

Hi Sat, Put to bed essentially means "reach a conclusion".
In various publications over the years there has been memtion that the Czech Motor Sports Club, swapped one of the two MB W154s they had for a 1.5L Alta, to meet the current FI regulations. Since the last Alta built prior to 1945 had been in 1939, it has seems to me an illogical swap.
If you look in the thread "Alta racers", Doug Nye has published a photo of the Czech MB 154 after it arrived at Rowlands garage in England in late 1945.
If you are saying that the swap never took place, one must presume Rowland's paid for the MB?
rgds - Michael

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Posted 29 December 2006 - 00:06

Hello again Sat,
Is there any chance you could either post a copy or give details of the Alta advert which appeared in Sevt Motoru on this thread.
It may be possible from this to discover which Alta car was being offerred for sale.
many thanks - michael(fivestar)

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 16:58

Could anybody confirm the first names of Dobry and Treybal who raced in 1949. I have Zdenek for Treybal and Vaclav for Dobry, but I have seen Frantisek also for Dobry. Were they father and son perhaps?
Thanks James

#48 sat

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 21:46

In programe list I can see Zdenek Treybal and Ing. Frantisek Dobry.

#49 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:17

Was he that Zdenek Treybal who wrote the well-known book "Umění jezdit" ("Art of driving")?

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 21:00

Today I have stumbled upon this picture in a book called 'Premiéry nadšení' by Karel Řepa. The car is Dynamic 60 built and raced by Jan Tenora with some more Czechoslovak sportscars in a background. What attracted me is an inscription in Russian above, but at the same time Czechoslovak coat of arms (or at least looking similar) to the left from it. The inscription, as far as I can see, reads 'Дружбой народов...' ('By the friendship of people'), but it is too early to be a Cup of Peace and Friendship round - according to my information Jan Tenora raced this car through 1952-1954. Maybe someone has any thoughs about this, especially why the text is Russian? I understand it was a socialist camp of course, but still a bit illogical for me.


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