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#101 Allen Brown

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 08:58

Originally posted by TonyKaye
Maybe this thread would be a suitable place to list the various web sites (like Darren Galpin’s, Phil Harms’ and Leif Snellman’s) which fill many of the gaps.

Despite having a vested interest, I would suggest we don't - at least not here. Let's honour the excellent work of the F1R on this thread and not get side-tracked into the alternatives.

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#102 fw07c

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 12:12

Just found this thread and have "A record of Grand Prix and voiturettes" Volumes
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
and
13 number 57

I will complete my list when I can.

#103 fw07c

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 15:05

Here is my list of Black books with copy numbers

A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 1 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 2 copy no 254
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 3 copy no 234
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 4 copy no 35
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 5 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 6 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 7 copy no 33
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 8 copy no 197
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 9 copy no 108
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 10 copy no 63
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 11 copy no 11
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 12 copy no 100
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 13 copy no 57
Addenda blank

Also Formula 1 Fact Books
1989
Tasman and Formula 5000

and Formula 1 Record Book 1966

Together with Milestones behind Marques by Paul Sheldon and The Formula One Record Book by John Thompson with

Duncan Rabaghati and Paul Sheldon.

I obtained volume 13 from black books this year. I expext it has been suggested before, if all the record

books were in a database which could be updated when new information or corrections could be made to it thus

providing a comprehensive record.

I agree that Paul Sheldon deserves a medal for his sterling work

#104 Rob Ryder

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 19:33

Update..

Volume 5: unnumbered
Volume 6: unnumbered
Volume 7: I wish ...
Volume 8: unnumbered
Volume 9: unnumbered
Volume 10: #287
Volume 11: #159
Volume 12: #121
Volume 13: #51

plus

A Record of Tasman Formula 1960-1969 : #21

Rob

#105 Stephen W

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 10:34

My copy of Record of RAC British Hill Climb Championship is 122 of 250.

:wave:

PS is Volume No 7 so rare because there was only a small print run or because of the period it covers being so intently studied and revered?

:)

#106 Tim Murray

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 18:17

Originally posted by Stephen W
PS is Volume No 7 so rare because there was only a small print run or because of the period it covers being so intently studied and revered?

All my numbered volumes are stated as being from a run of 500, including Vol 7, so it must be the latter, I suppose.

#107 grimeheel

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 22:01

Here are mine:

Volume 1 not numbered
Volume 2 # 94
Volume 3 # 326
Volume 4 # 250
Volume 5 not numbered
Volume 6 not numbered
Volume 7 # 369
Volume 8 not numbered
Volume 9 not numbered
Volume 10 not numbered

1966 Record Book #169
Formula 1 & 2 Fact Book
Formula 3 Fact Book 1964-1966
Formula 5000 Fact Book Europe 1969 - 1971
Formula 5000 Fact Book Europe 1972 - 1977
Formula Two Fact Book 1968
Formula Two Fact Book 1969
Formula Two Fact Book 1970
Formula Two Fact Book 1971

#108 Peter Morley

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 13:56

Mine are:

Volume 4 # 201/500
Volume 5 un-numbered
Volume 6 un-numbered
Volume 7 # 317/500
Volume 7, 2nd edition #18/50
Volume 8 # 227/500
Volume 9 # 273/500
Volume 10 # 326/500
Volume 11 un-numbered
Volume 12 # 138/300
Volume 13 # 44/300
Volume 14 # 18/50
Volume 15 # 18/50

Goodwood # 57/100
Crystal Palace # 93/150
British Hillclimb championship # 45/250

Others are:
F1 Record book 1966, # 128/400
F1 Fact book 1976-78
F3 1973-77
F3 1978-81
Formula Junior Fact book 1958-61
Formula Junior Fact book 1962-64
Formula Junior volume 4 (2000-2004) # 13/75
Formula Junior volume 5 (2005-2007) # 13/75
Formula Junior volume 6 (2008) # 13/100

Edited by Peter Morley, 18 January 2011 - 15:13.


#109 Alan Cox

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 21:47

Vol 1 - Unnumbered
Vol 2 - 373
Vol 3 - 373
Vol 4 - 349
Vol 5 - Unnumbered
Vol 6 - Unnumbered
Vol 7 - 419
Vol 8 - 245
Vol 9 - 259
Vol 10 - 19

#110 Paul Sheldon

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 08:07

Hi everyone. Guess who has No 1 ? And they were specially bound for me by a printer friend with slip cases. No 13 is just being done. Unfortunately, the books did not make either Duncan or myself millionaires. The only book I ever made any money on was one about walks round Bradford !!! Although my every day job involves writing distance learning packs which, thankfully do earn an honest crust but limit the time spent on proper things eg South American Formule Libre racing (that's for you Tony Kaye).
We realised that the only way to find information was through publishing what we had so that people knew what we were missing. This accounts for errors in the earlier books.
I don't know why Vol 7 sold out so fast and it's a shame because we have found out loads more information about this period. In particular all the South African F1 races and the Formule Libre ones right back to 1934. These were supplied by the late Peter Macintosh and, would you believe all hand written - including many lap charts ! Incredible. The recent effort has been in the Crystal Palace and Goodwood books with Richard Page and Robert Barker. The second edition Crystal Palace and second edition Goodwood ones are the first ones we have had printed professionally since Vol 2. We couldn't afford it and I printed and bound up virtually all of the BB's myself and I guess that, looking at them, you can deduce this !
We are beavering away at Formula 3 (500cc) and Formula Junior and I would like to have a serious go at British Formule Libre 1934 to the mid-fifties.
Thanks for all the nice things you said about the books and Betty sends her love
Paul Sheldon

#111 Alan Cox

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 08:26

Thank goodness for people like Paul, Duncan, Betty and the entire BB team of contributors who do things for the love of a project. I'm sorry to learn, Paul, that they have not made you a millionaire, but, in all honesty, it does not come as surprising news!

#112 Tim Murray

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 09:39

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Thank goodness for people like Paul, Duncan, Betty and the entire BB team of contributors who do things for the love of a project.

I absolutely agree. Many, many thanks to all for a wonderful series of reference books.

#113 Maurice J

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 07:10

Vol 1 - Unnumbered
Vol 2 - :-(
Vol 3 - 75
Vol 4 - :-(
Vol 5 - Unnumbered
Vol 6 - Unnumbered
Vol 7 - 67
Vol 8 - 379
Vol 9 - 132
Vol 10 - Unnumbered
Vol 11 - Unnumbered
Vol 12 - 55
Vol 13 - 12

Maurice

Edited by Maurice J, 10 May 2009 - 07:10.


#114 fw07c

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 18:15

Here is my list of Black books with copy numbers

A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 1 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 2 copy no 254
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 3 copy no 234
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 4 copy no 35
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 5 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 6 copy no blank
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 7 copy no 33
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 8 copy no 197
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 9 copy no 108
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 10 copy no 63
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 11 copy no 11
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 12 copy no 100
A Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing Volume 13 copy no 57
Addenda blank

Also Formula 1 Fact Books
1989
Tasman and Formula 5000

and Formula 1 Record Book 1966

Together with Milestones behind Marques by Paul Sheldon and The Formula One Record Book by John Thompson with

Duncan Rabaghati and Paul Sheldon.

I obtained volume 13 from black books this year. I expext it has been suggested before, if all the record

books were in a database which could be updated when new information or corrections could be made to it thus

providing a comprehensive record.

I agree that Paul Sheldon deserves a medal for his sterling work


Good news volumes 14 and 15 are now available from black books they cover the period from 1995 to 2008

Enjoy


#115 Gert

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 14:02

Oops, I only seem to have found this topic now...


A Record Of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing
vol. 3 - #413 of 500
vol. 5 - unnumbered
vol. 6 - unnumbered
vol. 9 - unnumbered
vol. 10 - #349 of 500
vol. 11 - unnumbered
vol. 12 - #151 of 300
vol. 13 - #32 of 300

Formula 1 Register Fact Book Formula Junior 1958-1961
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1947-1952
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1953-1955
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1956-1962
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1978-1981
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1982-1985
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1986-1988
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1989-1991
Formula 1 Register Fact Book F3 1992-1995
Formula 1 Register Fact Book 1966
Formula 1 Register Fact Book 1989
Formula 1 Register Formula 5000 Fact Book 1973-1977 (Europe)
Formula 1 Register F1 & F2 Fact Book 1976-1978
Formula 1 Register F1 & F2 Fact Book 1979-1981
Formula 1 Register F1 & F2 Fact Book 1982-1984
Formula 1 Register F1 & F3000 Fact Book 1985-1987



#116 ensign14

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 21:20

I can update me...

Volume 1: unnumbered
Volume 2: 3 :love:
Volume 3: 61
Volume 4: 53
Volume 5: unnumbered
Volume 6: unnumbered
Volume 7: 84 (sig looks normal to me)
Volume 7 reprint: 17
Volume 8: 48
Volume 9: 30
Volume 10: 79
Volume 11: 91
Volume 12: 56
Volume 13: 50
Volume 14: 17
Volume 15: 17

Addenda: unnumbered

I also have:
Record of Hillclimb Championship: 54 (of 250)
Record of South African F1: 94 (of 100 - phew)
1966 yearbook: 106 (of 400)
F5000 Fact Books
Record of Motor Racing at Goodwood: 68

#117 Stephen W

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 10:31

I also have:
Record of Hillclimb Championship: 54 (of 250)



I have 122 (of 250) which sits adjacent to my PC at all times.

:wave:

#118 Phil Mackley

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Posted 30 March 2011 - 19:41

Not sure if anyone is still keeping track, but for the record here are my details.

All books are 'The Record of GP & Voiturette Racing':

1 - Un-numbered
2 - 243
3 - 118
4 - 397
5 - Un-numbered
6 - Un-numbered
7 - 297
8 - 361
9 - 488
10 - 263
11 - 112


#119 klemcoll

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 14:51

Our books are:

Vol. 1 – no # – with addenda
Vol. 2 – #345 – with addendum
Vol. 3 – #277 – with addendum
Vol. 4 – #264
Vol. 5 – no #
Vol. 6 – no # – with addendum
Vol. 7 – #321 – with addendum
Vol. 8 – #277
Vol. 9 – #210
Vol. 10 – #321
Vol. 11 – no #
Vol. 12 – #123
Tasman/F5000 – no #
Addenda book – Vols. 1-8 – no#
RAC Hillclimbs 1947-94 – #52

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#120 fbarrett

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 18:39

Friends:

Thanks for educating me about these books. Have been collecting automotive books for many years but have only The Formula One Record Book. A quick check of Amazon (US) today revealed a few early volumes (1-5, I think) offered at prices of about $300 and up. Tom Warth (ex-Classic Motorbooks) evidently has none at present, so I wonder how many were ever sold in the U.S.

Frank

Edited by fbarrett, 31 March 2011 - 18:41.


#121 Tuboscocca

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 18:49

Friends:

Thanks for educating me about these books. Have been collecting automotive books for many years but have only The Formula One Record Book. A quick check of Amazon (US) today revealed a few early volumes (1-5, I think) offered at prices of about $300 and up. Tom Warth (ex-Classic Motorbooks) evidently has none at present, so I wonder how many were ever sold in the U.S.

Frank


Hi Frank,

How did you live without them...
Here is the page with offerings of the Formulaoneregister (Vol 15 (not listed) is also available for 75 GBP brings it to 2008).The print run of Vol 14+15 is just 50 (fifty!!):

http://www.formulaon...Order_Form.html

The 'shop' is run by Sarah, daughter of Duncan Rabagliatti (MISTER Formula Junior Register).

Best regards Michael

#122 David McKinney

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 16:53

Great news for Black Book aficionados

The second edition of Vols 5, 6 and 7 are now available :up:

details on http://www.formulaoneregister.com/

Edited by David McKinney, 06 June 2011 - 16:56.


#123 Peter Morley

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 22:23

Thought I'd update my list - I'm only missing volume 3 if anyone comes across a copy please let me know:

Mine are:

Volume 1 un-numbered
Volume 2 # 350/500
Volume 4 # 201/500
Volume 5 un-numbered
Volume 5, 2nd edition # 21/70
Volume 6 un-numbered
Volume 6, 2nd edition # 21/70
Volume 7 # 317/500
Volume 7, 2nd edition # 18/50
Volume 8 # 227/500
Volume 9 # 273/500
Volume 10 # 326/500
Volume 11 un-numbered
Volume 12 # 138/300
Volume 13 # 44/300
Volume 14 # 18/50
Volume 15 # 18/50

Goodwood # 57/100
Crystal Palace # 93/150
British Hillclimb championship # 45/250
Historic 500cc Formula 3 1970-2011 # 33

Others are:
F1 Record book 1966, # 128/400
F1 Fact book 1976-78
F3 1973-77
F3 1978-81
Formula Junior Fact book 1958-61
Formula Junior Fact book 1962-64
Formula Junior volume 4 (2000-2004) # 13/75
Formula Junior volume 5 (2005-2007) # 13/75
Formula Junior volume 6 (2008) # 13/100
Formula Junior Volume 7 (2009-2010) # 13/70

Edited by Peter Morley, 08 September 2012 - 09:29.


#124 Tuboscocca

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 17:34

here is my ''Collection'':

Milestones Behind The Marques

A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 1 – No Number
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 2 – Number 25
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 3 – Number 46
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 4 – Number 48
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 5 – No Number
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 6 – No Number
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 7 – Number 11
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 8 – Number 14
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 9 – Number 44
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 10 – Number 253
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 11 – Number 193
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 12 – Number 113
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 13 – Number 33
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 14 – Number 23
A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing Vol. 15 – Number 23

A Record Of Grand Prix And Voiturette Racing, Addenda

Formula 1 Register Record Book 1966 – Number 113


Mainly bought from Betty, Sarah and Chaters.

Regards Michael



#125 CiroMenotti

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:20

For anybody who is interested, Volumes 7, 6 5, and most recently Volume 4 of the "Black Books" have been re-published as a 2nd Edition with significant revisions.
Hurry while stocks last.....

http://www.formulaon...Order_Form.html

#126 RAP

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 10:41

Volume 3 (1932-36) is now available in 2nd Edition. £75 + post
Order from
formulaoneregister@gmail.com
RAP