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#1 Prostfan

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 21:11

Before posting the results I'm asking for your advice:

I don't really know how to work with the DQ drivers, especially in question 10 (How many laps alltogether):

A: They drove their laps and their driving had influence on other drivers. If one of them crashed into another driver, he would be retired in spite of the disqualifications.
And Atlas F1 (http://www.atlasf1.c...4/can/laps.html) list their laptimes so the answer should be 1154.

B: Their cars were illegal from the start and so their laps were illegal, so the correct answer is 868 laps.


What do you think?

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#2 Barty

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 21:16

I say that the laps were de facto driven, so I think they shall count.

#3 Zawed

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 22:24

Originally posted by Barty
I say that the laps were de facto driven, so I think they shall count.


Ditto here

#4 fullcourseyellow

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 22:38

Option A seems to make the most sense.

#5 Ric Bol

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 23:16

Originally posted by Barty
I say that the laps were de facto driven, so I think they shall count.


Agree! :up:

#6 garth_b

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Posted 14 June 2004 - 23:35

I agree with all the above, laps count, winning margin counts, they are included in classified drivers.

It has to be either all in or all out.

For a comparison in Fantasy Manager their qualifying position and laps count. The fact they completed all race laps means they are classified as finished, but their finishing positions don't count as they are classified as DQ.

DQ, in my opinion, is a classification. DNF is not. If they were black flagged during the race they would be a DNF/DQ because they didn't complete all laps. But all 4 drivers were running when MS crossed the finishline.

(besides not having them in could could make a difference to my score this round ;) )

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 00:18

Originally posted by garth_b
I agree with all the above, laps count, winning margin counts, they are included in classified drivers.

It has to be either all in or all out.

For a comparison in Fantasy Manager their qualifying position and laps count. The fact they completed all race laps means they are classified as finished, but their finishing positions don't count as they are classified as DQ.

DQ, in my opinion, is a classification. DNF is not. If they were black flagged during the race they would be a DNF/DQ because they didn't complete all laps. But all 4 drivers were running when MS crossed the finishline.

(besides not having them in could could make a difference to my score this round ;) )


Disqualified is not a classification its a disqualification and removal from results. If you follow your thoery through retired is also a classification so in every race the answer is 20 :D. The question asks how many drivers will be classified? Answer is 10 everyone else was either retired or disqualified. The gap between 1st and 2nd should be the gap between MS and RB they are classified as first and second 5.108 secs - because that is who was classified as first and second. The number of laps should encompass everyone though as it says how many laps will be completed by everyone in the GP. The Williams' and Toyotas all ran a number of laps in the race.

Finally the other question that is affected is how many drivers finish on the same lap as the winner - again Williams and Toyota should be included in this as they in fact finished on the same lap - well the williamses did.

Every action should be indicated by the wording of the question.

#8 garth_b

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 03:01

Ah. LB you missed the most important part of my reply. That is:

(besides not having them in could could make a difference to my score this round ;) )



:wave:

ps. you are right about all drivers being classified in a race, they are either classified as finished on not finished as a minimum :D

#9 LB

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 04:10

My result actually goes up one then down one under my interpretation of the results :

#10 garth_b

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 04:36

Originally posted by LB
My result actually goes up one then down one under my interpretation of the results :


I guess with whatever interpretation that is applied there will be winners and losers.

I have to say that your reasoning is much more sound than mine and I defer to your better argument.

I must get more lawyer like when replying to these things.

Note that, as I indicated, Fantasy Manager is being scored exactly along the lines of your argument set out above.

#11 Estwald

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 04:36

I agree with LB's assesment of how the answers should be based.

#12 Prostfan

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 07:08

Recapitulating the discussion and including my own thoughts I think I'll work with these results:

1. 10th on the grid: Klien
2. biggest gap on grid: BAR
3. First lapped: Webber
4. First retirement: Trulli
5. First team retired: Renault
6. Accidents: Coulthard, Klien, Webber, Massa

(there is no influence of the disqualifications for questions 1-6)

7. How many drivers finished in same lap: 5 (this includes the Williamses, as they finished (!) in the same lap and were DQ afterwards)

8. Margin between 1st and 2nd? 5-10 secs (RB is 2nd according to official results)

9. How many classified? 10 (Disqualified drivers are not classified)

10. How many laps alltogether? 1154 (including Toyotas and Williamses, they actually drove their laps)


I didn't consider your or my guesses from the thread to work this out. Every solution will produce winners and losers and so I hope this is ok for you.

I leave this thread open for discussions because I have no time to calculate the results before tomorrow evening.

Thanks for your thoughts
Prostfan

#13 Moanaman

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 08:31

I think we should do the results as of the end of the race and not factor in the DQ's. We enter this competition with guesses on Qualifying and the Race and not what happens after.

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Posted 15 June 2004 - 09:33

Originally posted by Moanaman
I think we should do the results as of the end of the race and not factor in the DQ's. We enter this competition with guesses on Qualifying and the Race and not what happens after.


I get 2 whatever he does so I'm not that fussed

#15 Prostfan

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Posted 16 June 2004 - 18:46

RESULTS FOR CANADA:

:clap: 130R 3 :clap:

Daisy 2
DeathMasteR 2
garth_b 2
Jimmino 2
LB 2
Moanaman 2
Pioneer 2
WillieF1 2
Xig 2
Zawed 2

Barty 1
chris_canuck 1
coyoteBR 1
Crazy Canuck 1
d_view7 1
dbltop 1
dnbn 1
Estwald 1
fullcourseyellow 1
jomaizta 1
Kekefan 1
Ladaman 1
lukywill 1
Marcel Schot 1
pinin406 1
skylark68 1
Ventura 1

AD 0
Alapan 0
Apex 0
arcsine 0
fisichella_2001 0
gerry nassar 0
kismet 0
KWSN-DSM 0
Makarias 0
Nasty McBastard 0
paulogman 0
pippin 0
Prostfan 0
QdfV 0
Ric Bol 0
scheivlak 0
Schuperman 0
Schuting Star 0
StickShift 0
The Kanisteri 0
Viss1 0
weasle 0


OVERALL STANDINGS AFTER CANADA

fullcourseyellow 18

lukywill 17
Makarias 17
Schuting Star 17

130R 16
Zawed 16

d_view7 15
jomaizta 15
kismet 15
LB 15
Ventura 15

arcsine 14
garth_b 14
KWSN-DSM 14
Moanaman 14
Pioneer 14
QdfV 14
skylark68 14
WillieF1 14
Xig 14

Ladaman 13

AD 12
dnbn 12
fisichella_2001 12
Prostfan 12
Ric Bol 12
StickShift 12
The Kanisteri 12

Alapan 11
coyoteBR 11
Jimmino 11
Nasty McBastard 11
pinin406 11

gerry nassar 10
Marcel Schot 10
weasle 10

Apex 9
Daisy 9
dbltop 9
DeathMasteR 9
Estwald 9
rich42 9
Viss1 9

Kekefan 8
scheivlak 8

Barty 7
Crazy Canuck 7

paulogman 6
Schuperman 6
TT6 6

chris_canuck 5
howardt 5
titrisol 5

024VIS 4
Adam2jz 4
MKY206 4
shays 4

fifi 3
Kooper 3
Steve Williams 3
TheGoalie 3
Woking 3

mikedeering 2
MrSlow 2
olol 2
race addicted 2
turin 2

1george 1
AlesiUK 1
austin 1
Bjorn 1
minardimike 1
Peter Perfect 1
rodlamas 1

Ghostrider 0
Jim 0
pippin 0


:wave:

#16 Xig

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Posted 16 June 2004 - 18:57

Just 1 point away from first :clap:
:p

#17 130R

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 12:15

:D

#18 Jimmino

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 09:05

Thanks :wave: