The Denis Debois memorial helmet thread (merged)
Posted 09 December 2000 - 02:10
I would like to know your preferences.
My vote goes like this:
1.- Graham Hill´s
2.- Damon Hill´s
3.- Stefan Johanson´s
4.- Nigel Mansell´s
5.- Ricardo Rodriguez
BTW, do yow know where can i find pictures of such helmets???
Posted 09 December 2000 - 02:18
Posted 09 December 2000 - 02:52
I always liked Ricardo Patrese's helmet design.
Posted 09 December 2000 - 03:51
Posted 09 December 2000 - 05:00
Of course, being me, Chris Amon had a great lid!!!
Posted 09 December 2000 - 06:26
Chris Amon's helmet design was because he was the subject driver for "Pete Ahren," in the film Grand Prix.
In the old days of the Herbert Johnson "pot," there wasn't much you could do to it to make it distinctive. Hawthorn's helmet had a white bill under his white face shield.
Harry Schell's helmet had a U.S.A emblem on it and when he drove for BRM he added their distinctive emblem to the top of his helmet.
Bob Bondurant's helmet was neat with its basic blue with white trim. I liked von Trips, Scuderia Colonia emblem in 1961. Jackie Stewart's tartan. Mario Andretti's (Michael's also) helmet design started when he drove for Parnelli Jones and was sponsored by Viceroy Cigarettes. The design is the Viceroy design.
Ronnie Peterson's helmet, Emerson's, Nelson's and Roberto Moreno's are classic.
H.J. Stuck had stars around the opening..
Posted 09 December 2000 - 09:35
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Posted 09 December 2000 - 14:07
I dont see a helmet on my autoweek
Posted 09 December 2000 - 16:18
1. Ricardo Rodriguez ( the one with the cavallino )
2. Gilles Villeneuve
3. Jean Alesi
4. Ayrton Senna
5. Pedro Rodriguez
By the way, Johansson changed the black color of his helmet for dark blue, because he was told that black color was an unlucky one. Carlos Pace changed the arrow of his helmet for the same reason, a mexican witch's advice, sadly he was killed just a little time after that.
Posted 09 December 2000 - 16:26
2. The Hills
3. The Andrettis
4. Alessandro Nannini
5. Gerhard Berger
Posted 09 December 2000 - 17:34
Posted 10 December 2000 - 01:56
Ross - thanks for pointing out that Autoweek has apparently dropped the Behra helmet logo in its' banner. I was so used to seeing it there that I didn't realize it was gone! Since I don't save my back issues of Autoweek I will have to wait till next week's edition arrives in the mail so I can see it (or rather not see it) for myself.
Posted 10 December 2000 - 04:50
"Mario Andretti, and Michael's is about the same but with the US flag at the bottom." You are right.. It has become an Andretti family design. I think I remember Jeff (Mario's younger son) with the same helmet design.
However, before he drove the Viceroy car, Mario's helmet was a plain silver with no design. The red arrow bordered by black on a silver helmet came about because of the Viceroy sponsorship.
Regarding the flag on Michael's helmet. That addition was a boardroom decision by Ford and committee.
Posted 10 December 2000 - 12:27
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Posted 11 December 2000 - 02:19
Larry Perkins has retained his F1 helmet design to this day, and it's quite good looking. Emmo's was likewise, but more distinctive.
Mansell's always told you where he stood, of course, and was distinctive. Alan Jones had a good one with that pinstriping on plain white. Probably reckoned it would be more reflective in the sun while still looking different.
Posted 11 December 2000 - 03:52
Posted 11 December 2000 - 21:25
I liked Piquet's helmet. Nice flowing, geometric pattern.
Posted 11 December 2000 - 21:45
Posted 11 December 2000 - 22:02
Iv'e seen color pictures where it looks very dark green. It shows as black in black/white pics.
Posted 11 December 2000 - 22:14
Posted 11 December 2000 - 22:42
5. Fittipaldi (black - his Troy Lee design with the cliched spiderweb wasn't so great. IMO, Troy Lee destroys any and every helmet he touches, what with all the aweful chrome and busywork - an artist is often judged on when he/she knows a work is done; obviously Troy Lee is not an artist. I wish he'd stick to motorcyclists only - or only they'd stick with him - whose helmets rarely struck a chord anyway)
8. Lauda (particularly 1982 with red on white)
9. de Angelis
Hill's helmet was/is midnight blue, just bordering on black
Posted 11 December 2000 - 22:43
But it is dark enough to reflect other colours, perhaps that's what's influenced the pictures you've seen.
The amazing thing about this thread has been the lack of pictures posted...
Posted 11 December 2000 - 23:02
BTW, I just bought from another AtlasF1 member a full scale replica of Eddie Irvine's old (better) helmet. Up close and in full scale this thing is pretty cool looking. I also have one of Emmo's speedway (Bell Feuling) helmets (which BTW were painted by Cleber and not Troy Lee). Emmo signed this one for me and it started me collecting Helmets. Works of art really.
Posted 11 December 2000 - 23:21
Firstly, Tony Maggs helmet was NOT bright orange, it was yellow! Exactly the same as Trevor Taylor's. The only orange helmet around at that time was Peter Arundel and his was dayglo orange.
My own favourite? Well, it has to be Dan Gurney. Not the Dan Gurney from 1960, by the way, when he added a white stripe for some unaccountable reason. Plain black - superb.
Imagine my disappointment when I saw Dan driving the 1962 F1 Porsche at John Surtees' 60th birthday meeting at Brands, and he put on a white one............
I think modern helmets are, in the main, far too fussy and fiddly, especially for we modellers to paint! Best of the current crop I probably like Junqueira best.
The Hill's helmets were absolutely, definitely 100% dark blue. It is, as stated, the London Rowing Club colours which Graham was entitled to wear because he DID row, but I don't know if anyone has actually mentioned it but the white bars (there are 8 of them) represent the 8 oars in the largest of the racing boats.
Posted 12 December 2000 - 12:31
Posted 12 December 2000 - 14:56
1 Bergers flag helmet which he used once only.
2 Schumachers 1999 colured helmet.
3 Eddie's new Jagaur helmet.
Posted 12 December 2000 - 15:19
On my favourites, the Hill's have got to be up there too, but my favourites have to be:
1. Ayrton Senna
2. Paul Tracy (with or without Troy Lee's Design)
3. Stefan Johannson
4. Nigel Mansell
5. Johnny Dumfries
Others I could include are Johnny Herbert's, Alan Jones's (simple, designed by a friend and the first race he wore it he won, or that's what I heard) and the Andretti family helmets, John not included and Christian Fittipaldi's helmet (again, simple, the same design of his dad's but with the colours reversed).
Posted 12 December 2000 - 15:33
Originally posted by William Dale Jr
Can anyone point me to a picture of the Gerhard Berger helmet mentioned by Quentin?
I cant find it but I remember the helmet was used in 1994 Portugal GP. Berger has worn some special helmet also. In 1986 he used one to fit his Benetton sponosor, and in 97 San Marino with half Berger-half Alesi to celebrate their partnership.
Posted 12 December 2000 - 20:54
Posted 14 December 2000 - 09:06
# 1. Eddie Cheever
# 2. Patrick Depailler
# 3. Johnny Herbert
# 4. Elio DeAngelis
Posted 14 December 2000 - 13:29
After that, I'd say
Posted 14 December 2000 - 21:19
Posted 14 December 2000 - 22:07
Originally posted by jmcgavin
I'd go for Senna, seemed to work when he was lapping people (expect Irvine)
Fangio had a most boring helmet, but no one got in his way. Didn't fall over people either.
Posted 19 December 2000 - 22:12
As I am currently constructing a gridful of slot-racers based around the mid-fifties, I have been searching for the helmet colours of some of the drivers on my list.
Obviously some are very well known, (i.e. Fangio, Moss, Hawthorn, Ascari) and do not alter from year to year. Others seem to vary from one race to the next, let alone from year to year.
I am particularly keen to learn what colour helmets the following drivers wore.
Roberto Mieres, Carlos Menditeguy, Cesare Perdisa, Onofre Marimon, Robert Manzon, Jacques Pollet,
Having seen the amazing depth of knowledge this Forum generates, I guess this one will be easy.
Posted 19 December 2000 - 22:37
Mieres - dark (red?)
Perdisa - light (white?) with black horizontal stripes on forehead
Wharton - dark (green?)
Manzon - white
Posted 19 December 2000 - 22:43
What we need is one of these guys with a limitless library, and nothing better to do!
Posted 19 December 2000 - 23:29
Fred Wacker (but you didn't ask),1954 Italian GP, white helmet.
Maurice Trintignant: 1953 ACF GP, white helmet + blue strip on forehead).
3 colour pictures from Gordini un sorcier, une équipe.
Of course, lot's of pictures were in B & W. Can't help you more now...
Posted 20 December 2000 - 03:37
Onofre Marimon's helmet was a copy of Fangios. He was the maestro's pupil after all.
Just what period are you looking at for your cars..
Posted 20 December 2000 - 07:48
Posted 20 December 2000 - 18:14
Jacques Pollet's was completely white - no logos, no stripes, nothing.
The others, like yourselves, I have only black & white photos.
Posted 20 December 2000 - 22:50
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Posted 22 December 2000 - 07:45
Come to think of it, Monaco and Zandvoort are on that tape too. I'll have to watch it again.
Thanks for the reminder, Eric.