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#1451 f1steveuk

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:42

Steve, bless you :up: If anything was predictable, it was you'd be on here & posted either this reference to X1 or a similar comment on the GPA :D

My hatred of both runs very deep!
I did wonder if I should, and I did ;-)


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#1452 mfd

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:45

My hatred of both runs very deep!
I did wonder if I should, and I did ;-)

Similarly events at last Sunday's GP have made me wonder if Roebuck will re-run his oft told story of Imola 82...

#1453 f1steveuk

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:55

Similarly events at last Sunday's GP have made me wonder if Roebuck will re-run his oft told story of Imola 82...

Save's on writing something new!

I'm still trying to find a Rheos or a LEM!!

#1454 MikeM

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:26

Hi Emery0323 and MCS - I seem to remember that Giunti had the "Roman" Eagle on his helmet but don't know about the Mayan style depiction. I always thought it was a smart pattern for 1970.
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 13:06

I'm still looking for a GPA for my collection, if any one has one languishing in a cupboard somewhere?

You can have a free picture Scarbs, mine's not for sale though.
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#1456 Marc Sproule

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 13:12

my helmet set...

http://www.flickr.co...57629543841653/

all my sets..

http://www.flickr.co...681980@N03/sets

#1457 funformula

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 19:37

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...how I miss these simple but very recognizable helmet colours back then.


#1458 scarbs

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 17:36

While we're on the subject of rare helmets, if anyone has an AGV X1 they want to sell I'd be very interested!

I know of an AGV X1 Lauda Replica on sale, Not sure how much but I can check if you DM me....


#1459 scarbs

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 17:37

Save's on writing something new!

I'm still trying to find a Rheos or a LEM!!


I can also help with an LEM for sale http://www.mad-desig...t/for-sale.html

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#1460 f1steveuk

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 18:28

I can also help with an LEM for sale http://www.mad-desig...t/for-sale.html

Yes I have seen that one before, quite why the visor has been chopped down I am not certain. I'd rather have the twin eye port one, but I may have to forget that!

#1461 Graham Clayton

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 13:36

Why did Arnie Knepper put tape over the top of the peak of his helmet?

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#1462 f1steveuk

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 15:40

Why did Arnie Knepper put tape over the top of the peak of his helmet?

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Source: http://www.stltoday....289f3be0e4.html


My experience with running peaks on any helmet, is that the little gap between the top edge of the visor, and the peak creates a very annoying whistle at speed. I used to put draft excluder foam between the two, Mr Knepper appears to be sealing the gap another way!

#1463 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 00:58

David - how right you are. Old men forget.

Let me know about Green Helmet, don't think I've seen it.

Don't know about a film but I feel it was based on the Jon Cleary book of the same name which I own,,, somewhere!

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:51

My experience with running peaks on any helmet, is that the little gap between the top edge of the visor, and the peak creates a very annoying whistle at speed. I used to put draft excluder foam between the two, Mr Knepper appears to be sealing the gap another way!


Looking at a photo of Trevor Taylor from 1962, he had obviously stuck on a piece of tape over the helmet/peak gap BEFORE he spayed it yellow. In 1963 he had a white peak so maybe had changed to a type of helmet with a smaller gap....



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#1465 f1steveuk

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 17:34

How many names can you put to this?

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#1466 ensign14

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 18:07

I'll start on the left hand page, top row...

Divina Galica, Mikko Kozarowitsky, Teddy Pilette, Mike Wilds.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 20:04

In the good old days before racing drivers changed their helmets and their helmet designs every race many drivers adopted the same basic design for years. These presumably had a significance or a personal meaning to them . Graham Hills represented London? Rowing Club. Piers Courage, Dickie Attwood and James Hunt all, i believe, had designs based on their public school colours. JYS of course had a tartan band (not sure what the significance of that particular tartan was though). Who else had a notable helmet design and what was its significance ?
Apologies if this has been raised before

#1468 Glengavel

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 21:29

In the good old days before racing drivers changed their helmets and their helmet designs every race many drivers adopted the same basic design for years. These presumably had a significance or a personal meaning to them . Graham Hills represented London? Rowing Club. Piers Courage, Dickie Attwood and James Hunt all, i believe, had designs based on their public school colours. JYS of course had a tartan band (not sure what the significance of that particular tartan was though). Who else had a notable helmet design and what was its significance ?
Apologies if this has been raised before


I'll take a wild guess and say it's the Stewart tartan...

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 21:42

I'll take a wild guess and say it's the Stewart tartan...


Your wild guess would be right, the first time it appeared, Helen had glued a length of Royal Stewart tartan ribbon around Jackie's hitherto plain helmet. I imagine that in later years the tartan was painted on by a professional signwriter, it always looked very neatly done.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 22:07

Your wild guess would be right, the first time it appeared, Helen had glued a length of Royal Stewart tartan ribbon around Jackie's hitherto plain helmet. I imagine that in later years the tartan was painted on by a professional signwriter, it always looked very neatly done.

JYS did choose Royal Stewart & his Son Paul used Hunting Stewart on his helmets. On the creation of the Stewart F1 team, a new tartan used on the cars was created. It was called ??? Stewart, if anyone cares to guess!

There is, incidentally a fairly long thread discussing helmet designs here
http://forums.autosp...w...6&hl=Helmet

#1471 kayemod

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 22:17

On the creation of the Stewart F1 team, a new tartan used on the cars was created. It was called ??? Stewart, if anyone cares to guess!


BarStewart?

Sir Jackie's "Been there, done that, know it all" attitude didn't go down at all well with some of his employees, not to mention the other teams.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:08

In the good old days before racing drivers changed their helmets and their helmet designs every race many drivers adopted the same basic design for years. These presumably had a significance or a personal meaning to them . Graham Hills represented London? Rowing Club. Piers Courage, Dickie Attwood and James Hunt all, i believe, had designs based on their public school colours. JYS of course had a tartan band (not sure what the significance of that particular tartan was though). Who else had a notable helmet design and what was its significance ?
Apologies if this has been raised before



Tony Lanfranchi and Mike Spence for me. No real idea why these designs were chosen by these drivers though. Just to stand out I imagine.

Edited by Dipster, 19 June 2013 - 06:09.


#1473 Paul Rochdale

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:21

Sir Jackie's "Been there, done that, know it all" attitude didn't go down at all well with some of his employees, not to mention the other teams.


Perhaps as a three time World Champion he had a right to be like that. All I know is that he comes across during TV interviews as a very likeable and modest man who fought against his dyslexia and made a success of his life.

As for helmets, two of the very best motorcycle racer helmets have been Phil Read's (copied from Bill Lomas) and Mike Hailwood's (white with gold bands). I don't much care for modern day 'Pavement pizza' designs, as artistically applied as they are.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:50

Perhaps as a three time World Champion he had a right to be like that. All I know is that he comes across during TV interviews as a very likeable and modest man who fought against his dyslexia and made a success of his life.


Yes, but having been a truly great driver thirty years earlier is a very different thing from running a team, that was one of the things that got peoples' backs up. On a personal level, I couldn't agree more, I met him several times when he was driving and at the peak of his fame, found him absolutely charming. As a twenty year old Jochen Rindt fan, I hadn't expected to be won over in the way I was, but I still cheered for Jochen.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:01

Tony Lanfranchi and Mike Spence for me. No real idea why these designs were chosen by these drivers though. Just to stand out I imagine.

There was a story that Lanfranchi just went along adding a dab of colour from every paintpot he found in each pit at one meeting, although that sounds as if it would be fatal for the helmet integrity.

Tom Pryce added vertical stripes to a peak (originally) so his father could pick him out of the otherwise anonymous FFord drivers.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 21:03

GPA helmet acquired. As new! What should I do with it?

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See my homepage: www.avhelmets.nl

Edited by Verhage, 13 July 2013 - 21:09.


#1477 f1steveuk

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:11

GPA helmet acquired. As new! What should I do with it?



See my homepage: www.avhelmets.nl



A very good find!!! Is the lining blue or black?

If you're are really stuck as to know what to do with it, I'll send you my address!!!

Edited by f1steveuk, 14 July 2013 - 09:11.


#1478 Verhage

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 15:25

A very good find!!! Is the lining blue or black?

If you're are really stuck as to know what to do with it, I'll send you my address!!!


Indeed, very good find.
Lining is blue, nomex thus.

#1479 Verhage

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 13:35

Caution, beware!
Last summer I painted de Angelis helmet for Andreas Simon.
And then the helmet is on consignment at www.thememorabiliaexperience.c​om with signed.
Signed is absolutely false, because Angelis is already 27 years dead.
The helmet cost U$ 6000 there.
I have the saleswoman Monica Tranter warned that the signature is false.
She have then contacted the seller and would then adjust text.
Unfortunately, she did not.
Course, she will also catch a lot of money.
Too bad that people want to earn unfair way much money.
Be warned!



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#1480 scarbs

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 11:02

I don't recall Pironi's 86 Ligier test, but the helmet puzzles me.  I first thought it was a Nolan, but it might be the later GAP Strapless type, which I never saw as a competion version.

 

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#1481 funformula

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 15:26

I don't recall Pironi's 86 Ligier test, but the helmet puzzles me.  I first thought it was a Nolan, but it might be the later GAP Strapless type, which I never saw as a competion version.

 

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Interesting picture, never seen it before.

Seems to be the later GPA helmet. Same helmet worn by Pascal Fabre in 1987 and Rene Arnoux in 1988 but IIRC both had blue padding instead of white as seen in the picture above.



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 17:03

I think it is a development of the last generation of GPA. From what I recall something happened mid to late 80's & the factory & technology was sold to Bell who wanted a manufacturing facility in Europe.

I have a better version of this photo & if you look through the visor you can see the familiar oval logo



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 22:40

Pascal Fabre helmet picture http://www.statsf1.c...scal-fabre.aspx

 

Rene Arnoux helmet picture http://f1-facts.com/.../RArnoux/career



#1484 mfd

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 01:02

Yes that's it (the GPA became the Bell)



#1485 funformula

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 12:21

Yes that's it (the GPA became the Bell)

 

Was the helmet then branded as "Bell" rather than "GPA"???

I ask this because I have such a helmet in my collection with GPA branding.

 

I recall a Bell racing helmet looking a bit like the GPA but with chin strap. The only driver I recall wearing it was Bruno Giacomelli while racing Indy in mid 80´s

I actually don´t find a better picture at the moment than this http://cdn.c.photosh...-CART-bc007.jpg



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 13:55

Yes I believe it's the same helmet but I don't know if they were both available at the same time.


Edited by mfd, 01 January 2014 - 13:55.


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 14:28

Yes I believe it's the same helmet but I don't know if they were both available at the same time.

 

Here is the Bell helmet in question http://img526.images...6582/535ve4.gif

It looks close to the GPA but I don´t think it´s the same helmet



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 14:36

I've found an old car racing suppliers catalogue and the Bell is shown, described as a GT2 with Snell SA85 approval, available Spring 1988. It has a light blue grey interior just like the one in a GPA SJ. The shape looks similar enough to show some crossover.

 

G**gle images "Bell GT2 helmet"

 

If you recall in the mid 80's Arai GPN & Shoei RFG/Z were using plastic covers over the visor mechanism & IIRC this was thought the direction to go. It may have made GPA & Bell follow this path initially but subsequent Snell regulations called for recessed visor mountings. Arai & Shoei did this in 1988 by introducing the GP2 & GRV4. As Bell already had this system on their XFM1 series, it was re-homologated & the GT2 quietly disappeared.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 15:10

I always guessed that these Stand 21 helmets http://www.stand21.f...s/casques-1.jpg

were the successors of the last GPA helmets. At least the design is showing very similar lines and Stand 21 is a french company too.

 

The Giacomelli GT2 looks as it is the predecessor to the Bell AFX

Interesting that the street version of the GT2 is available not till spring 1988, Giacomelli wore his helmet already in 1985



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 16:14

You're seeing things I don't see in those S21 helmets. They're a different concept & the only thing they have in common is France!

 

I didn't say "Street version" of the GT2.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 17:38

You're seeing things I don't see in those S21 helmets. They're a different concept & the only thing they have in common is France!

 

I didn't say "Street version" of the GT2.

 

Hmmmm, so what went on at Bell having GT2 (race version) ready in 1985 but not available for the public until 1988 when it was already obsolete regarding the Snell regulations.

 

(anorak mode on)

I don´t think the GPA has something in common with the Bell GT2. The GPA race and street version seem to have the identical shell, except that the street version has a visor release button at the front of the chin bar. Don´t know how to open the race visor but it´s identical in size to street version. Race version has a narrow eyeport which is looking like additional padding.

Bell GT2 street version has a very large eyeport with a much larger visor than the race version and the shell is looking different (at least to me) while the small eyeport of the race version requires a different visor.

(anorak mode off) :drunk:


Edited by funformula, 01 January 2014 - 17:40.


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Posted 02 January 2014 - 01:31

I think it is a development of the last generation of GPA. From what I recall something happened mid to late 80's & the factory & technology was sold to Bell who wanted a manufacturing facility in Europe.

I have a better version of this photo & if you look through the visor you can see the familiar oval logo

 

So why don´t you post your better version of this photo to show us the oval logo and finish the doubt?



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 05:31

So why don´t you post your better version of this photo to show us the oval logo and finish the doubt?

I don't think he has any doubt.