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#101 ensign14

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Posted 19 May 2002 - 17:42

It is the longest non-double-barrelled name in English. The Guinness Book of Records used to give the following pronounciations:

Featherstonehaw
Festonhaw
Fessonhay
Freestonehugh
Fe'erstonehaw
Fanshaw

And anyone of that name was glad they weren't called Leone Sexton Denys Oswolf Frauditifilius Tollemache-Tollemache-de Orellana-Tollemache-Tollemache (aka Tolly for short), the longest ever. (Barring America, where people cheat.)

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#102 Dironey

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Posted 20 May 2002 - 18:43

Little trivia : Norberto Fontana raced in a series (CART) where a track as the same name as him. Can you see other drivers in that case ?

Well close - Aguri and Toshio Suzuki racing at Suzuka. And then there's Scott Goodyear... running on Firestones of course.

#103 David McKinney

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Posted 20 May 2002 - 19:38

There were definitely two brothers called Silverstone in British racing about ten years ago
And surely Barry Lake raced at Lakeside?

#104 Carlos Jalife

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Posted 21 May 2002 - 20:35

Actually Norberto Fontana didn't race at Fontana, he was substituted mid season by Richie Hearn or somebody else in Della Penna's team.
Pedro actaully raced at the Ricardo Rodríguez Autodromo from 63-71 and when he died the track name changed to Autódromo Rodríguez Brothers.
Jaques Villneuve has been racing at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in Montreal for a long time too, and brother Jacques also did.
And Nelson Piquet also has a son running in the circuit named after him in Brasil, as well as Christian Fittipaldi racing in the Emerson Fittipaldi speedway in the Rio 200 CART race.
And there was a lady driver who raced ihn Mexico whose name was Magdalena, and the original name of the Rodriguez brothers track is Magdalena Mixiuhca. :)

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Posted 21 May 2002 - 22:24

Originally posted by Carlos Jalife
Actually Norberto Fontana didn't race at Fontana, he was substituted mid season by Richie Hearn or somebody else in Della Penna's team.
Pedro actaully raced at the Ricardo Rodríguez Autodromo from 63-71 and when he died the track name changed to Autódromo Rodríguez Brothers.
Jaques Villneuve has been racing at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in Montreal for a long time too, and brother Jacques also did.
And Nelson Piquet also has a son running in the circuit named after him in Brasil, as well as Christian Fittipaldi racing in the Emerson Fittipaldi speedway in the Rio 200 CART race.
And there was a lady driver who raced ihn Mexico whose name was Magdalena, and the original name of the Rodriguez brothers track is Magdalena Mixiuhca. :)

Actually, Memo Gidley ran the DPM car at Fontana.

And Carlos, wasn't the name of the Mexican Autódromo "Magdalena Mixhuca"? :confused:

#106 lynmeredith

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Posted 22 May 2002 - 01:32

Actually, Moss is a strange name for a racing driver. It doesn't normally move fast enough to keep up with a rolling stone.

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#107 Graham Clayton

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Posted 22 May 2002 - 02:45

Originally posted by David McKinney
There were definitely two brothers called Silverstone in British racing about ten years ago
And surely Barry Lake raced at Lakeside?


On a similar theme, there was the Australian touring car driver
Bob Holden who drove Minis, Toyotas but never a Holden!

#108 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 May 2002 - 02:52

Originally posted by Graham Clayton
On a similar theme, there was the Australian touring car driver Bob Holden who drove Minis, Toyotas but never a Holden!


You must have had your back turned at the time, Graham... he not only drove an FJ at many circuits, including a highly competitive race against John French at the first race meeting ever televised in Australia, but in 1963 or 64 drove an S4 at Warwick Farm.

Don't remember any others, though...

#109 Graham Clayton

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Posted 22 May 2002 - 03:00

Originally posted by Ray Bell


You must have had your back turned at the time, Graham... he not only drove an FJ at many circuits, including a highly competitive race against John French at the first race meeting ever televised in Australia, but in 1963 or 64 drove an S4 at Warwick Farm.

Don't remember any others, though...



Ray,
I was born in December 1964, so seeing Bob race the S4
would have been a bit difficult :p

#110 Catalina Park

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Posted 22 May 2002 - 03:02

When I was a kid I can remember.

Bob Morris driving a Holden.
Bob Holden driving a Ford.
Andy Foord driving a Morris. (yes I know he didn't spell it Ford but it sounded right)

#111 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 May 2002 - 03:17

Originally posted by Graham Clayton
I was born in December 1964, so seeing Bob race the S4 would have been a bit difficult :p


And the 1958 Bathurst race was six years before I ever went to a meeting too... but I knew about it. Though that's cheating, really, because I saw snippets of it on TV.

Wonder if anyone else remembers him driving the S4?

Andy Foord? Now it's not so long since I bumped into him...

#112 Carlos Jalife

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Posted 22 May 2002 - 15:51

Fines, yes, it was Memo, I was just trying to recall from memory.

About the Magdalena Mixiuhca. The name is from old indian (aztec people used nahuatl language as most of the central region tribes in prehispanic Mexico) and as was custormary, it has a hispanic name affixed to it. So Magdalena is the prostitute who weeped for Christ and Mixiuhca is the place. However, the spanish translation was always a bit faulty and the palce has been spelt as Mixchuca, Mixhuca, Mixihuca, Mixiuhca and so on, but it is the same thing with the guy you know as emperor Moctezuma which in nahuatl was really Montecuhzoma, and in Marine's english it is Montezuma.
However, sometimes the presidents get in the nationalistic mood here and Echeverría in 1973 ordered a complete revision of names (he hated dictator Franco) and we started taking away all the accents which don't exist in Nahuatl, and the county where the track is located was named Ixtacalco and it was dicovered the true name was Iztacalco, and also the correct spelling for Mixiuhca ewas determined as what I tell you, although in the 50s, when the track was made it was different. In fact the Metro line that goes right at the border of the track (north) has a station two before the track and the spelling is Mixiuhca, as it has been since the late 70s, but it is kind of hard to go against tradition. Luckily I am in charge off the press and PR of the CART races here and I am using the right spelling.
And yes, I have never been known to answer yes or no to anything, sorry, but the story needed an explanation, specially since you are a really accurate guy. :up:

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Posted 22 May 2002 - 17:24

Just thinking idly, Lotus Climax sounds like it comes from the Kama Sutra.

#114 fines

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Posted 23 May 2002 - 17:55

Originally posted by Carlos Jalife

And yes, I have never been known to answer yes or no to anything, sorry, but the story needed an explanation, specially since you are a really accurate guy. :up:

Ahm, thanks, I guess...;)

Back to the question: Am I right that it was Mixhuca before 1973, and thus it should be spelled that way when talking about 60s races there?

#115 Carlos Jalife

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Posted 23 May 2002 - 23:44

Yes, it could be called that way but the track was only called Autódromo de la Magdalena Mixhuca until 1962, by 1963 it was already 'Autódromo Ricardo Rodríguez' and by 1972 the official name was 'Autódromo Hermanos Pedro y Ricardo Rodríguez', which still stands today. The Magdalena Mixiuhca is the city neighbourhood it is in, always will be. Sort of Clermont-Ferrand or is it Charade? Same with Imola, then Autodromo Dino Ferrari, now Enzo & Dino Ferrari and so on. I guess the same rule woud apply in Mexico. :)

#116 eldougo

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Posted 24 May 2002 - 10:51

:eek: :eek:
There was a guy in Australia in the late 60,s his name always in
intrigue me . (spelling might not be correct) WOLFGANG PERJARWARA ?
he raced f/v & AF2 .Maybe it was early 70,s . I wonder what ever
happened to him. :smoking: :wave: :eek:

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Posted 24 May 2002 - 11:32

You're talking about Wolfgang Prejawa.

#118 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 May 2002 - 11:53

Known variously as Wolfprang von Wreitoff or Wollongong Pyjamas...

He's not in the phone book anywhere in Australia... you never know.

#119 eldougo

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Posted 25 May 2002 - 06:56

:up: Thanks for your replys HIL-NICE & RAY .Maybe he will turn up one day.

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Posted 28 May 2002 - 14:19

When the use of racing names was still 'en vogue', it was the pretext for many local French drivers to do some dubious play on words ! Last I read was this rally pair : "Kycyphroth" / "Cypik" which I believe doesn't mean much to most of you ! It should be read 'qui s'y frotte, s'y pique' which his a proverb meaning roughly 'if you're looking for troubles you'll get troubles'... They apparently managed to remain out of troubles and were quite a good rallying duo, winning the 1968 Rallye des Ardennes and coming fourfth in the Rallye de Rouen where luminaries as Darniche, Thérier or Swietlik had troubles beating them !
Another popular one in national circuit races was "Alain Dex" which should be read 'à l'index', meaning someone who was put aside... maybe a guy fired from a team ?
Another rally co-driver seemed to be a fan of the Astérix comic strips and called himself "Goudurix" which should read 'goût du risque', meaning someone who likes to take risks... hope he didn't hurt himself !

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Posted 30 May 2002 - 06:54

In France in the '1930s there were two drivers respectively called : Jack Seylair and Jean Breillet.
Phonetically, it means : "I put the throttle down" (j'accélère) and "I used the clutch" (j'embrayais).
If the former was a pseudonym, the amazing fact was that the latter was not !

#122 Doug Nye

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Posted 30 May 2002 - 07:48

Has 'Willy Eckerslyke' been mentioned in this thread yet? Used not only by Littlewoods pools and stores heir Nigel Moores, but also by his mechanic Paul Kelly who occasionally stood in for Nigel under the same pseudonym. One year at the Nurburgring when their race car was broken they ran the tow car instead - a Morris Minor. The German scrutineers merely insisted they first remove the tow-ball...

I'm sure our Liverpudlian contributors will translate 'Willy Eckerslyke' - and also perhaps the Moores tuning company title - 'Longbacon' Engineering?

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#123 David McKinney

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Posted 30 May 2002 - 09:34

I wasn't on the UK scene at the time so might be confusing myself more than necessary, but didn't Nigel M also race on occasion under the name "Paul Kelly"?

And, thank FEV and hilŽ-nice for those lovely French puns :up:

#124 Barry Lake

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Posted 30 May 2002 - 11:36

Originally posted by David McKinney
There were definitely two brothers called Silverstone in British racing about ten years ago
And surely Barry Lake raced at Lakeside?


I think we've done this one before.

Actually Barry Lake didn't ever race at Lakeside, but did do most of the practice/qualifying sessions for Paul Older in the Craven Mild BMW 3.0, for which he was mechanic/race engineer/team manager/relief driver and PR man, in 1976. Loved it! Fabulous circuit that, like Bathurst in that era, had bumps that had to be taken just the right way to get a good time. Racers on today's clinical circuits would know little of such things.

It was the only circuit where the over-weight and under-tyred BMW (Aussie touring car rules didn't suit it at all) gave Bo Seton (Dad of Glenn) a REAL run for his money for the 3 Litre class in his Ford Capri Coupe.

More recently, I did a few laps of Lakeside in one of Ross Palmer's Ferrari GTP (now Nations Cup) cars. What was the model? Can't think of it at the moment. Too tired for my brain to spit it out.

But, talking of models, Bob Holden didn't race an FJ Holden; it was an FE - a very different looking car. An ex-taxi if I remember rightly.

And don't forget that Holden won Bathurst in a Morris.

#125 Ray Bell

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Posted 30 May 2002 - 13:15

That was a 355, wasn't it Barry?

As for Bob Holden and his Holden, I believe the earlier races he did may have been in an FE, but I found this rather butchered pic in a magazine the other day...

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This is at an early Warwick Farm. Thing is, Bob has always had a knack of getting drives of all sorts of cars from all sorts of sources.

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Posted 30 May 2002 - 15:15

[QUOTE]Originally posted by David McKinney
There were definitely two brothers called Silverstone in British racing about ten years ago
[/QUOTE

Ken & Phil Silverstone were the brothers. Both raced IIRC in British F3 B Class and one got banned for life for decking another driver after a race.

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Posted 30 May 2002 - 16:37

A little off of the subject but
In the mid 50's there were two hybrid sport cars raced in California
Pooper. Porsche engine, Cooper chassis :lol:
Butus. Buick engine, Lotus chassis.

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#128 Twin Window

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 17:27

I thought it might be a bit of fun to list what TNFers regard as silly-sounding names which they've found scattered in and around the sport over the years.

The ones I always think of first are;

Dick Trickle

Billy Boat

Lake Speed

Misty Sprinkle

:)

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#129 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 17:34

Worth McMillion! (actually I think I have seen him as Stanworth McMillion).

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#130 fines

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 17:39

Racin Gardner (that's supposed to be his registered name! :eek: )

Winfield Barndollar

Porky Thyling

Felice Tedeschi

Peter Peter

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 18:17

Originally posted by fines
Racin Gardner (that's supposed to be his registered name! :eek: )


Actually, it's Slick Racin Gardner...;) :lol:

On a serious note, though, there was an Indy driver named Slick Gardner in the 1930's (IIRC). I wonder if they're related?

#132 Twin Window

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 18:29

Ricardo Londono-Bridge

:)

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#133 BorderReiver

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 18:50

Bengt Axel . . . :clap:

#134 Cirrus

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 19:12

Coo Coo Marlin?

#135 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 19:45

If we can include race cars, then how about Footwork and Leyton House ?

#136 Rob G

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 19:51

Slick Johnson

#137 Wes

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 19:56

Dick Seaman
Salt Walter

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 21:01

Bengt Axelsson
Sten Gunnarsson

Both Swedish F3 drivers in the late sixties and early seventies IIRC.
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#139 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 21:07

Swedish names seems to look daft....so why not Swede Savage....;)

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#140 Jim Thurman

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 21:56

"Slick" Gardner is Racin's father. He competed in two NASCAR sanctioned races in 1973 (one not listed in records because it was a Daytona 125).

Dick Passwater

Gid Goins (a San Diego, California area short track racer...a great name!)

#141 Vicuna

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 22:57

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg
If we can include race cars, then how about Footwork and Leyton House ?


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#142 Twin Window

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 23:08

Originally posted by Jim Thurman
Dick Passwater

If that's a real name, then it's brilliant!! :lol:

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#143 Rob G

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 23:13

Originally posted by Twin Window
If that's a real name, then it's brilliant!! :lol:

It is, and it is!

There's also a Christy Passmore.

#144 Vitesse2

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 23:30

There was a German F3 driver in the 60s called Willy Vroomen :)

As he drove a DKW-engined home-built special, I doubt he did much vrooming ....

#145 fines

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Posted 25 June 2004 - 23:43

I believe Vroomen was Belgian, though.

#146 petefenelon

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Posted 26 June 2004 - 00:48

Canadian sportscar driver/team owner by the name of "Kye
Wankum", poor soul. (my other half pointed out Kye's name
on another forum elsewhere on the net a while ago and got
a very snotty email from an unrelated Ms Wankum claiming
that the name wasn't funny. I beg to differ.;))

Mrs Mo Nunn's new Infiniti Pro Series team has an engineer
called "Butch Winkle". Which made me laugh anyway....

(Of course, you could claim "Mark Thatcher" was a seriously
unfortunate name, but you can't choose your parents ;P)

Most unfortunate in racing (and a little creepy and
unpleasant, I thought) was the guy racing in the UK a few
years ago who called himself "Lorenzo Bandini".

On a lighter note, One of the best (non-racing) names
I ever saw was Novell's Network Engineer of the Year a
couple of years back - an unfortunate gent called "Randy
Bender".......

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Posted 26 June 2004 - 00:51

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg
If we can include race cars, then how about Footwork and Leyton House ?


I refer the honourable member to http://www.engrish.com/;)

(I have an excellent engrish.com sweatshirt, featuring
a strange cartoon of a hovering smiling robot, and the slogan
"HOT SPACE STATION! PROTECT SAFETY JUSTICE!" on it...!)

#148 Ralliart

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Posted 26 June 2004 - 02:44

Wasn't there a British racer with the last name of Balls? And isn't it Salt Walther, not Walter?

#149 Muzza

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Posted 26 June 2004 - 03:58

Australian Formula 3 racer Will Power... that's definitely a winner's name!

#150 David McKinney

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Posted 26 June 2004 - 06:32

There was (is?) a Historic Touring Car driver called Willy Winn. I was very disappointed when I learned it was a nom de course :lol: