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[my_own_shadow]

Can someone provide a list of WDC GP that also were GP of Europe (before 1983)?

[Jodum5]

I'll translate: He wants Pre 1983 European GPs that were counted towards the World championship.

[Vitesse2]

Pre-WDC, the European GP was held in the following years:
1923 I
1924 F
1925 B
1926 E
1927 I
1928 I
1930 B
1947 B
1948 CH
1949 I

Championship era:
1950 GB
1951 F
1952 B
1953 No race
1954 D
1955 MC
1956 I
1957 GB
1958 B
1959 F
1960 I
1961 D
1962 NL
1963 MC
1964 No race
1965 B
1966 No race
1967 I
1968-71 No race
1972 GB
1973 B
1974 D
1975 A
1976 NL
1977 GB
1978-82 No race

[my_own_shadow]

Thank you indeed!

[lustigson]

Interesting, Vitesse. Several Grands Prix in several countries were held as the 'European GP' during WC years.

[D-Type]

It was an 'honour' given to a particular national GP, for example, the 1950 British GP was the British and European GP. It wasn't a separate race as post 1983.

[Rob29]

1953 was scheduled for Spain(Pedralbes) but cancelled.
1964 was at Brands Hatch,for its first GP. Progamme was first ever large glossy one (with flags of nations on cover) ,that I saw.Came free with admission for £1-or 17s 6d if booked in advance!!

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by Rob29
1953 was scheduled for Spain(Pedralbes) but cancelled.
1964 was at Brands Hatch,for its first GP. Progamme was first ever large glossy one (with flags of nations on cover) ,that I saw.Came free with admission for £1-or 17s 6d if booked in advance!!

I'd forgotten that about Spain, Rob. Obvious really, when you think about it.

The list came from the new edition of Higham. He has 1964 as GB in his F1 results section, but not in the listing!

Also omitted from that listing are 1966 (France) and 1968 (Germany).

So:

1950 GB
1951 F
1952 B
1953 E (cancelled)
1954 D
1955 MC
1956 I
1957 GB
1958 B
1959 F
1960 I
1961 D
1962 NL
1963 MC
1964 GB
1965 B
1966 F
1967 I
1968 D
1969-71 No race
1972 GB
1973 B
1974 D
1975 A
1976 NL
1977 GB
1978-82 No race

[Felix Muelas]

Originally posted by Vitesse2
I'd forgotten that about Spain, Rob.

I found this old thread about it ;)


And the picture MISSING on that old thread is this one...

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Pre-WDC, the European GP was held in the following years:
1923 I
1924 F
1925 B
1926 E
1927 I
1928 I
1930 B
1947 B
1948 CH
1949 I

Just came across an article by Cyril Posthumus in the 1960 BARC Yearbook, in which he states that the first use of the term Grand Prix d'Europe was actually planned for 1922 at Monza, but for reasons not explained the Italian GP didn't bear the title. The abortive attempts to establish a British GP in 1925 would also have been honoured with the title Grand Prix d'Europe, but when plans for a British race were abandoned the honour passed to Belgium.

Britain had succeeded in running Grands Prix at Brooklands in both 1926 and 1927 and a further race was scheduled for 1928 - again the RAC were offered the title Grand Prix d'Europe, but the cancellation of this 1928 race meant that the honour went once more to Italy.

In their turn, the Italians declined the offer in 1929 - such was the state of the Formula at that time, this was probably a very pragmatic decision!

The Belgians took up the baton in 1930 and for 1931 the title was yet again offered to Britain, who once more had to decline.

Presumably the British failure to carry on the sequence was partially due to a conflict of interest, in that the British Grande Epreuve was the Tourist Trophy. Add to that the 1931 requirement that Grands Prix should be ten hours long and I think it's easy to see why they didn't bother .... just imagine running an Alfa Monza or Delage 15S8 for ten hours at Brooklands!