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[llmaurice]

Can anyone kindly supply information regarding the 1977 Dastle FF2000? Also results from FF2000 Championships for the years following 1976 would be most helpful . Thanks

[fines]

Not much, but a few Championship results:

BARC Formula Ford 2000 Championships

1977 (BAF)
1 Rad Dougall

1978 (BAF)
1 Mike White

1979 (Computacar)
1 David Leslie

1980 (Imperial Leather)
1 Richard Trott, 126
2 Mike (Fulmar) Taylor, 103
3 Rob Cooper, 48
4 Simon Kirkby, 35
5 Frank Bradley, 35
6 Ray Edge, 29
7 Martin Brundle, 12
8 Tim Davies, 11
9 Julian Morley, 11
10 John Bright, 10

1980 (Harrison Bros.)
1 John Walker, 112
2 Dave Manners, 72
3 Arnie Black, 61
4 Keith Lawrence, 52
5 Derek Buckton, 46
6 David Winstanley, 44

BRSCC Formula Ford 2000 Championships

1977 (Lord's Taverners)
1 Rad Dougall

1978 (Allied Polymer/Lord's Taverners)
1 Syd Fox

1979 (ShellSport/Martini)
1 David Leslie

1980 (Motorcraft)
1 Richard Trott, 178
2 Tim Davies, 172
3 Rob Cooper, 147
4 Mike (Fulmar) Taylor, 144
5 Martin Brundle, 90
6 Wil Arif, 62
7 Frank Bradley, 61
8 Simon Kirkby, 40
9 Michael Taylor, 26
10 Ray Edge, 25
10 Stephen Grigg, 25

500MRCI Formula Ford 2000 Championship

1980
1 Arnie Black, 48
2 Ivan Robinson, 31
3 Denis Megal, 18
4 Jay Pollock, 18
5 P. J. Fallon, 13
5 Bill Gowdy, 13

EFDA Formula Ford 2000 Championships

1979
1 Adrian Reynard

1980
1 Fred Krab, 112
2 Huub Vermeulen, 84
3 Basil Mann, 71
4 Simon Kirkby, 70
5 Ron Kluit, 66
6 Maarten Henneman, 57
7 Rob Leeuwenburgh, 47
8 Jim Vermeulen, 44
9 Henny Vollenberg, 35
10 Arnoud Coenen, 27
10 Hans Volker, 27

RIAC Formula Ford 2000 Championship

1980
1 Arnie Black, 108
2 Ivan Robinson, 89
3 P. J. Fallon, 50
4 Harry Johnston, 40
5 Bill Gowdy, 38
6 Denis Megal, 27

500MRCI Formula Ford 2000 Championship

1980
1 Arnie Black, 48
2 Ivan Robinson, 31
3 Denis Megal, 18
4 Jay Pollock, 18
5 P. J. Fallon, 13
5 Bill Gowdy, 13

Nothing on the Dastle atm.


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[llmaurice]

Many thanks to Fines for his posting.

[fines]

The Dastle FF2000 appears to have been based on the Mk 12 F3 car.


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[Mallory Dan]

Originally posted by fines
The Dastle FF2000 appears to have been based on the Mk 12 F3 car.

I saw Maskell win a wet F3 'qualification race' in the mk12 at Mallory in Sept 77. He quallied for the final as a result, didn't make much of an impact there though. I don't remember the car in Ff2000 that year though, was it before/after 77 ?


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[conjohn]

[FONT=courier new]1977 British Air Ferries FF2000



 1. Thruxton  March 13

 2. Oulton Park  March 26

 3. Cadwell Park  April 17

 4. Silverstone  May 1

 5. Silverstone  May 29

 6. Donington Park June 7

 7. Snetterton  July 10

 8. Croft  August 7

 9. Brands Hatch  August 14

10. Thruxton  August 29

11. Silverstone  September 04

12. Brands Hatch  September 11

13. Mallory Park  September 25

14. Oulton Park  October 8 (?)

15. Brands Hatch  Octorber 16

16. Thruxton  October 30



						  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16   Tot

 1. Rad Dougall		   -  15  22  15  22  20  20   -  20  15  22  15  15   -   -   -   210

 2. Jeremy Rossiter	  22  10   -   -  15   4  10   -   -  12  12  12  20  12  15  20   164

 3. Philip Bullman		2   -  15   -   6   8  15   -   -  20  10  22   3  15  22   -   138

 4. Frank Sytner		 15  22   6  22  12  15   6  14   8  12   -   -   -   -   1   2   135

 5. Rob Wilson			-   -   -   -   1   -   8   -   -   8  15   8  12   -   8  12	72

 6. Richard Wills		10   8   -   -   8   -   3  15   -   3   -  10   -   -   4   8	69

 7. David MacPherson	  -  12   -   -   -   1  14   -  15   -   -   -   -   8  12   -	62

 8. Kenny Gray		   12   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -  22  10  17	61

 9. Chris Skellern		-   -   -   -  10   -   -  10   -   -   8   6   4  10   2   3	53

10. Mike Quinn			-   -   -  12   -  10   -   -  14   4   -   -  12   -   -   -	52

11. Peter White		   -   -   4   -   -   -   -   -   -   6   4   -   -   6   6  10	36

12. Steve Farthing		-   4   -   -   -   2   -  20   -   -   -   1   -   3   -   4	34

	etc.[/FONT]

From Autosport 10 November 1977.




In the table for the BARC Formula Ford 1600 we find in 10th place: Peter Argetsinger...

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by Mallory Dan

I saw Maskell win a wet F3 'qualification race' in the mk12 at Mallory in Sept 77.

I wonder what happened to Maskell?! I quite rated him. Mind you, in those days there seemed to be a zillion drivers who looked good, but who vanished - and I'm not just referring to FF2000 guys - in the 70s.

Plenty of Brits...

Williams (Cyd)
Wood
Arnott
Taylor (Mike)
Sutcliffe

...but also lots of (to use a Hentonism) 'Spags' too...

Serpaggi
Coulon
Truffo
Francia
Serblin
Leclere
Reusch
Gaillard

... just OTTOMH. They all lacked funding, I suppose.

Sorry, I went right OT then.

Twinny

[Rob29]

To return to the original question; I used ,in the period mid 70s to early 80s, to keep a note of every driver known to have appeared in FF2000. That is had been reported in Autosport or Motoring News or had been seen at a meeting I attended. No record of any Dastle FF2000,plenty of Dulons and Deltas.

[ian senior]

Originally posted by Twin Window
I wonder what happened to Maskell?! I quite rated him. Mind you, in those days there seemed to be a zillion drivers who looked good, but who vanished - and I'm not just referring to FF2000 guys - in the 70s.

Plenty of Brits...

Williams (Cyd)
Wood
Arnott
Taylor (Mike)
Sutcliffe

...but also lots of (to use a Hentonism) 'Spags' too...

Serpaggi
Coulon
Truffo
Francia
Serblin
Leclere
Reusch
Gaillard

... just OTTOMH. They all lacked funding, I suppose.

Sorry, I went right OT then.

Twinny

I think we "did" Cyd Williams on here some time ago. Seems he is still alive and well. Perhaps the search facility should deliver the goods. I rated him very much and saw him quite often at Oulton.

[Mallory Dan]

Originally posted by Rob29
To return to the original question; I used ,in the period mid 70s to early 80s, to keep a note of every driver known to have appeared in FF2000. That is had been reported in Autosport or Motoring News or had been seen at a meeting I attended. No record of any Dastle FF2000,plenty of Dulons and Deltas.

Rob, agreed re lack of Ff2000 Dastle. After I posted yesterday (yes I know I should have checked first!) I looked at my progs for 77, and late 76, Mallory only though. No mention of any Ff2000 Dastle's at all, Maskell or otherwise. Did any appear in that Formula ever I wonder. Doesn't ring any bells with me I'm afraid, and there were some pretty odd things out in those days in 2000, eg Alpine, Sark, Javelin, Ray, Nomad, Osella, etc

[Rob29]

Originally posted by Twin Window
I wonder what happened to Maskell?! I quite rated him.

.

Twinny

By coincidence,mentioned today in 'Motorsport News' He has taken up wheelchair racing. Sadly lost the use of his legs 10yrs ago in a gardening accident.

[Bengt]

More points tables, please!!

[Rob29]

Originally posted by Bengt
More points tables, please!!

For what,Bengt? I can do British FF2000 from 1975 if thats what you mean,but I have a feeling that this has been done before.

[Bengt]

Rob29:

I would love to have all the results you've got of FF2000 or if you could point me to where I could it.

I live in Sweden where media before the Internet revolution treated everything beneath F1 and the World Rally Championship (especially if it was a foreign event with few or no Swedish drivers taking part) as something that didn't exist. If you don't play fotball, ice hockey or do cross-country skiing or some gruesome accident has happened the newspapers don't report anything. But if I'm interested in who scored in a division 6 fotball it's a piece of cake!

[ghinzani]

Ex Maskell car on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.u...4549637580&rd=1

[Andrew Kitson]

I had a good chat with Barrie Maskell at Snetterton a couple of years ago. In recent years he has been racing in the BARC classic Porsche series in a 911SC, adapted with hand controls.
During our chat he seemed genuinely shocked that someone remembered his F3 days! A great driver in F3, I remember a blinder of a win at Mallory in early '72.
Cyd Williams is indeed alive and well, a regular visitor to Silverstone events with his BRDC membership and still busy with his road and race car brokerage buisness. Still living in Cheshire
and last time I saw him a couple of years ago, was enjoying a BBQ at the GP meeting with his family, 1960s F3 entrant Natalie Goodwin and also ex-racers John Cardwell and Alan Rollinson.

[WGD706]

Originally posted by llmaurice
Can anyone kindly supply information regarding the 1977 Dastle FF2000?

From "Anatomy & Development of the Formula Ford Racing Car' by Steve Nickless, published in 1993:

Geoffrey Rumble, a heating and air conditioning engineer, built his first racing car-- a 500cc mototcycle engine powered special--in 1959 and acquired much notoriety for his success in the midget racer class. The name DASTLE was an anagram of his middle and surnames (geoffrey DAvid STanley rumbLE). Between Dastle types 2 and 3, Rumble did his national service, then went to work for the Chequered Flag concern as second to Les Redmond, designer of the Gemini FJrs's.
The Dastle Mk6 was a prototype FF of late '60s, never built. the Mk11 another prototype of '73 which, when finally produced in '74, was renumbered Mk16. Six were built and, with Paul Jackson driving, were reasonably competitive. The Dastle Mk9, incidently, was the '72 Hesketh F3 car raced by recent FF graduate James Hunt.
Rumble was also involved as designer and chassis builder of the Sparton FFs. Racing ex-Barrie Maskell cars in historic classes in the '70s and '80s, Rumble needed a good trailer; today, that's what Dastle--calling them "Raceboxes"--builds.

No photos of any Dastles.
Warren

[MCS]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
I had a good chat with Barrie Maskell at Snetterton a couple of years ago. In recent years he has been racing in the BARC classic Porsche series in a 911SC, adapted with hand controls.
During our chat he seemed genuinely shocked that someone remembered his F3 days! A great driver in F3, I remember a blinder of a win at Mallory in early '72.
Cyd Williams is indeed alive and well, a regular visitor to Silverstone events with his BRDC membership and still busy with his road and race car brokerage buisness. Still living in Cheshire
and last time I saw him a couple of years ago, was enjoying a BBQ at the GP meeting with his family, 1960s F3 entrant Natalie Goodwin and also ex-racers John Cardwell and Alan Rollinson.

I always thought Maskell deserved more. He was as clearly talented as under-financed.

Would have loved to have seen him in a competitive works car in F3...

Mark

[Mallory Dan]

Was Natalie Goodwin any relation of Ivor Goodwin ?

[MCS]

Not to my knowledge.

Wasn't Ivor from Lincolnshire or Humberside?

Mark

[Diemen]

Dastle has build one FF2000 in 1976, the Mk XII. It was built for a Canadian driver who requested
Geoff David Stanley Rumble (Da-St-le) to build him a FF2000 and was based on the F3 Mk X.
He raced it without much succes in 1977 as far I know and went back to Canada short after.
The car swiched owners at least 5 times and was bought in 1999/2000 by a Dutch driver.
It was completely dismantled and rebuild by Teuling Tuning.
The car raced in the Dutch Historic Monoposto championship until 2006 when I bought the car.
It is now in pieces for a rebuild and will be race ready begin 2007.
A picture can still be found on the Dastle site, http://www.racecar.c...astle/sales.htm