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#251 Allen Brown

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 09:21

I think we have to have some sort of limit so disgruntled members don't go back over old messages deleting their content. We've had this happen more than once.

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#252 ReWind

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 09:23

I wish to say a sincere THANK YOU :mad: to the administrator of this board who over the weekend installed a new one-week-limit for editing posts without bothering to inform the users in advance or – at least this is my assumption - to think of the consequences such a limit has for threads which depend on the ability to update old posts constantly (like the first one in this thread).

After all the new rule in the future spares me the trouble of this intended updating. What a relief! :(

#253 David McKinney

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 09:32

I'm not sure that I understand your gripe, Reinhard
My personal view is that a week is too long. This is a forum, after all, not a website. If I read (for example) the first post in this thread one day, I won't read it again. If it needs to be updated, that should be done separately.
The 'edit' function is surely to allow posters to correct an error they may have inadvertently made, or to amend something that might occur to them a few minutes later.
I can't really see the need to 'edit' a post more than, say, one hour later. Anything else is an update, and should be entered as a separate post. I'm certainly not going to read every thread from top to bottom every time I enter it, just to see if it might have been edited.
Just my opinion, I hasten to add. It would be interesting to hear the views of others.

#254 David McKinney

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 09:36

Reinhard has posted a similar comment in his 'Gone but not forgotten' thread
I responded to it there (before I got to this one)

#255 Twin Window

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 09:38

Hmmm... this is also news to me.

Can we keep this in the Suggestion Box for the time-being, please, as I'll have to do some digging. I'll merge these three posts in there in due course.

#256 ReWind

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 09:42

Originally posted by David McKinney
I can't really see the need to 'edit' a post more than, say, one hour later. Anything else is an update, and should be entered as a separate post.

David, the first post of this thread was intended to be constantly updated in order to keep all the dates in ONE PLACE.

If you look at that first post you will find that I did exactly that for months - for the last time last Wednesday. To put the updates in separate posts (with the effect that the dates are scattered all over the place) isn’t the same, is it?

#257 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 19:11

I have been adviced AND told to use the "search" bottun. I believe I do that allways , except when I forget it.....ha-ha. But it seems a bit odd that we now have 3 Chris Irwin threads ??

#258 David McKinney

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 19:48

I see your point Reinhard
I am sure you remember your first post on the subject, but I for one certainly don't
My personal complaint would be satisfied if, from time to time, you repeated the original post with updates marked. That way people who go to the latest posts in each thread will be kept updated - I'm sure I'm not the only one who does that

#259 Twin Window

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 09:43

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer

I have been adviced AND told to use the "search" bottun. I believe I do that allways , except when I forget it.....ha-ha. But it seems a bit odd that we now have 3 Chris Irwin threads ??

Done.

Please don't hesitate in giving me a nudge regarding threads in need of merging, as some members already do.

:up:

Originally posted by David McKinney

I see your point Reinhard
I am sure you remember your first post on the subject, but I for one certainly don't

In this case, David, Reinhard is referring to literally the first post in the thread.

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#260 David McKinney

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Posted 13 December 2006 - 10:40

I realise that TW
Are we all expected to go back to the first post of every thread each time we want to see developments on a particular topic?
Or is it simpler to go to the latest posts which, in cases such as this, could include corrected updates of earlier posts?
The point I was making is that the originator of a thread can be expected to remember his first post, but it's a bit much to expect everyone else to, especially if they visit many threads several times a day, as loads of us obviously do

#261 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 20:10

Hi Twinny , I need some advise now .When I search Le Mans 1957-1965 , or !962 Le Mans Film/Photos or Le Mans Test Day 1960 , I find nothing ,how come ? Whats wrong with the names which und on the search by coincidense. What do I write wrong ???

#262 Twin Window

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 21:02

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer

What do I write wrong ???

Maybe !962...?!  ;)

#263 bluelite

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 21:44

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Hi Twinny , I need some advise now .When I search Le Mans 1957-1965 , or !962 Le Mans Film/Photos or Le Mans Test Day 1960 , I find nothing ,how come ? Whats wrong with the names which und on the search by coincidense. What do I write wrong ???


You need to write e.g.

mans AND 1957 AND 1965

or

mans AND test AND Day AND 1960

You may replace AND by OR or NOT, if you don't want to include some terms in the search results.

#264 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 21 January 2007 - 22:12

:wave: Twinny , I will ask you another time !

:clap: Thanks bluelite , got it into my crystal ball and it of course wotked !

#265 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 09:10

:mad: I really feel frustrated ,locking on , writing , searching , writing a bit more , and then you are off! Log in again etc. ! Could the log in time not be lengthened a bit ? And why do I get thrown of at all when I have logged on? :smoking:

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 09:16

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
:mad: I really feel frustrated ,locking on , writing , searching , writing a bit more , and then you are off! Log in again etc. ! Could the log in time not be lengthened a bit ? And why do I get thrown of at all when I have logged on? :smoking:



That's why we have MSWord and cut'n paste.

#267 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 09:35

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
:mad: I really feel frustrated ,locking on , writing , searching , writing a bit more , and then you are off! Log in again etc. ! Could the log in time not be lengthened a bit ? And why do I get thrown of at all when I have logged on? :smoking:


Shouldn't happen, Bjørn. Try asking in the AtlasF1 Forum:

http://forums.autosp...id=1&daysprune=

Not being a technogeek, my guess would be a cookie problem of some sort, but I'm sure bira or someone else will be able to answer.

#268 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 09:37

I love when you speak your own , allways make me feel how my own English is so inferior!

IN DANISH PLEASE !!!!!!!!

No dont , it will get much worse , but , sorry I did not understand a bit !

#269 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 09:57

All I was trying to do was point you in the right direction! Try this thread, which might provide an answer:

http://forums.autosp...&threadid=91292

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 10:13

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
I love when you speak your own , allways make me feel how my own English is so inferior!

IN DANISH PLEASE !!!!!!!!

No dont , it will get much worse , but , sorry I did not understand a bit !



Check your PM.

#271 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 10:35

:clap: check yours!

#272 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 07:26

:wave: Most members on the TNF seems to know something that at a certain time is valuable for a lot of other members! But we cannot allways take it for granted that the "knowers" read it ,when "they" are asked for. It could in same cases look enormous and impossible to do or have but.......
Let me give an example of what I am thinking about : On the TNF thread ,OSCA , a couple of Swedish drivers names has come up. I have asked about them , appealing to Swedish members , but who says they will look under this thread ? And do single threads on each one will in my opinion be a vaste of space (?)
Could we (or I) build up some lists of say, Swedish members to contact ,not specifically on Swedish OSCA drivers , but its to me logical to ask there first ? And perhaps on other contries where the numbers of members are not in the thousands? The "thousands" might f.ex. be "sorted" in specialists of a certain topic ?

Do you get what I mean and do you have comments ?

#273 ian senior

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 08:05

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
:wave: Most members on the TNF seems to know something that at a certain time is valuable for a lot of other members! But we cannot allways take it for granted that the "knowers" read it ,when "they" are asked for. It could in same cases look enormous and impossible to do or have but.......
Let me give an example of what I am thinking about : On the TNF thread ,OSCA , a couple of Swedish drivers names has come up. I have asked about them , appealing to Swedish members , but who says they will look under this thread ? And do single threads on each one will in my opinion be a vaste of space (?)
Could we (or I) build up some lists of say, Swedish members to contact ,not specifically on Swedish OSCA drivers , but its to me logical to ask there first ? And perhaps on other contries where the numbers of members are not in the thousands? The "thousands" might f.ex. be "sorted" in specialists of a certain topic ?

Do you get what I mean and do you have comments ?


Do you mean having some kind of facility where we can search for a list of members from individual countries? If so, a good idea, although I have no idea how to go about providing this! Another thing might be a list of particular interests, so if someone wanted to know about, say, 1970s F3 racing, you could approach people who know about that for help.

#274 David McKinney

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 08:34

I can't really see how it would work any better than the present all-in system.
I tend to look at all threads I might be interested in, and I suppose most other members do the same. My interest in racing developed when I was growing up in New Zealand, so if I see any thread which might mention something of interest in that area, I'll have a look. If it's on some other angle, I won't bother again.
I would imagine any Swedish member who knows much about the OSCAs in that country will see an OSCA thread and check to see if it refers to 'his' OSCAs.
Hit and miss, I know, but my suspicion is that people who don't do that aren't any more likely to respond if threads are pointed more directly to them

#275 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 09:35

I just wrote a whole page on this ,but it has not showed up. So , I shall spare you. Only say thanks for your comments , and I shall think a bit more before returning!

#276 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 16:16

If there is a time limit on being "logged on" I think it should be raised !

If no time limit , why then do I have to log on again if my post takes a bit too long to write. I havent timed it yet , but now I know why many posts never got on the threads!

#277 David McKinney

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 16:49

The trick is to reply directly only if you're going to ask a quick question or offer a quick response.
Anything that requires more time to be composed should be written offline, then cut and posted into a reply box

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 17:15

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
If there is a time limit on being "logged on" I think it should be raised !

If no time limit , why then do I have to log on again if my post takes a bit too long to write. I havent timed it yet , but now I know why many posts never got on the threads!


I was having this problem... but it was because I was logged on through the old log-in...

If your browser doesn't have 'forums.autosport.com' in it, you will not remain logged in long. Should this be the case, come in through that venue and log in with your regular username and password and you won't have this problem again.

#279 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 17:30

Thanks both of you !

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#280 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 20:34

How difficult apart from time consuming would it be to put a name in front of threads ?
I mean it seriously and would like an answer , perhaps from Twinny ??

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 08:22

?? Signature: ??

I think this is to limit on about two or tree line.

Some message is dominated by a big Signature!

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#282 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 10:54

Again my English is not good quite enough ! What I meant with a not so good search system ,and /or a lot of searching to find the threads , wich steadily pours in wether there are none or 20 , it could be easier if the first word in any thread had the margue , race , driver ,event name etc. I am just about to finish rather hurridly going through all TNF threads by titles that "catch"
(see above ), but i am sure I have left out a lot of threads, that could be extremely interesting , but not knowing what its about you sometimes pass over !

#283 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 04:28

:wave: Allthough its obvious that none cares , I wonder why complaints at times pop up ! Here is another COMPLAINT try from my side to explain search troubles :

If I want info on OSCA I search OSCA , If I want it on OSCA Special , I still go for OSCA . I do NOT go for Hans Tanner- Osca Special !

If I want info on Porsche 904 I go for Porsche etc.....I do not search or go for Blue 904 !

Having gone through nearly all threads by now , I found some smart ones like : "1935 questions" etc. !
(I found them after I opened my own "Ferrari question" and "Maserati question" else at least some Ferrari qs could have been put there)!!

Another good example : I want to know about Denis Jenkinson , go for the name , a long comes a big thread, I would never go for "Jenks without beard ?" So my friends , very often info scatters all over the place here ,and much info might go unnoticed this way.

Call it complaints or whatever , this is what I found out , and it is NOT to any particular group of members ,
to cap it , just look at some threads on a clear matter and you will find a lot of members who appearently love to discuss other subjects than the particular thread ! One example : the thread MAX DE TERRA !That said ,I rest my case ! So now you are welcome to rip me to peaces or ignore me!

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 09:26

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
:wave: Allthough its obvious that none cares , I wonder why complaints at times pop up ! Here is another COMPLAINT try from my side to explain search troubles :

If I want info on OSCA I search OSCA , If I want it on OSCA Special , I still go for OSCA . I do NOT go for Hans Tanner- Osca Special !

If I want info on Porsche 904 I go for Porsche etc.....I do not search or go for Blue 904 !

Having gone through nearly all threads by now , I found some smart ones like : "1935 questions" etc. !
(I found them after I opened my own "Ferrari question" and "Maserati question" else at least some Ferrari qs could have been put there)!!

Another good example : I want to know about Denis Jenkinson , go for the name , a long comes a big thread, I would never go for "Jenks without beard ?" So my friends , very often info scatters all over the place here ,and much info might go unnoticed this way.

Call it complaints or whatever , this is what I found out , and it is NOT to any particular group of members ,
to cap it , just look at some threads on a clear matter and you will find a lot of members who appearently love to discuss other subjects than the particular thread ! One example : the thread MAX DE TERRA !That said ,I rest my case ! So now you are welcome to rip me to peaces or ignore me!


Your onglaise OK...I have also said what you say...the best thing of all would be a combined 10/10ths and AtlasF1 database or correctly tagged (SGML) Nostalgia website....dream on :rolleyes:

Just be thankful that people are putting the raw data down for others to see (I suppose :| )

#285 D-Type

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 16:44

Bjorn,

We are restricted by the capabilities of the search engine - remember TNF is a small, free part of the Autosport site.

Are you using "Search entire posts" or "Search Titles"? I use both depending on what I'm looking for.

I plead guilty to the DSJ's beard thread title - I should have included his name in the posting if it wasn't in the title.

What I do find infuriating is meaningless titles like "Help - photos wanted"

Within limits, I think threads should be allowed to wander a bit after the discussion on the core theme has died down. It does depend a bit on whether it's a serious topic or a lighter one. For example, I would never mention B***y B****'s shorts on a serious historical query thread.

I do think we should all encourage Twinny to merge duplicated topics or to consider capping one of them and saying "Refer to [this thread] for further discussion by notifying him when one comes up. I know - I'm as guilty as anybody else.

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 04:46

:wave: I will start by saying I am not out to critzise anyone or anything regarding the TNF. What I want to point out is as I said in one of my replys here , that WE make the TNF ! And I believe living with the restrictions we have , CAN make it easier for ourselves , meaning the users !

I have been here for more than 18 months and feel I am competent to point out a couple of things. And it is mostly to the "titles" of threads ! In some cases I have counted over 15 threads on the same person !
Doesnt that say enough ? I have also found a lot of "hidden" infos on the "wrong" threads! And surely not found all yet!

A very simple way to better the search for all these informations , would to me be if we learned to put the name of the subject or object first in a thread. A second step then could be to ask Twinny to merge , wich he himself has pointed out here. I have on other sites seen hints saying : Related threads. We do not have this , but as you said , we could either stop a thread with a "go to..." or merge !

I have also thought I was smart doing "Who was this ?" I still use it and others have done too , but in my own case , I see now that it would have been better to do threads with the "names" like Protheroe , who was he ? or the like ! So, I am not perfect , and allways open to cerrections (I hope , at least I meen to be).

But having a Porsche 904 GTS thread , I do not think its relevant to have a "blue 904" thread

On the who was Max de Terra thread , wich then should have been Max de Terra , who was he ? (if not only his name) . Here I think is a "classic" TNF case where a thread runs of the rails , ending up in Rudi Fischer and Ecurie Espardon .

And wasnt it Louis Chiron where I again got on my hat in a long row of unnecessary replys (at least they had nothing to do with Mr. Chiron).

Having a Denis Jenkinson thread I also NOT think it smart to have a Jenks without beard !



I believe I dont have to put up more examples. But if some kind af advice on simplicity solutionss not pointed out to members , and perhaps especially new members , the constant flow of new and also old info will continue to be more "floating" around ! I will not use the word messy , because its still all here , somewhere!

Whoever wants to open a thread will have taken NOTHING of his personal "name" of a thread if we started by putting the venue, driver, car ,race or year first ! I of course aggree that if you do not know anything about say a picture , an opening word could : IDENTIFICATION ! If you know the car or a name or year , put that first !

Comments please !

And let me point out that I have had and still have a lot of pleasure on the TNF ! And my suggestionds is also a try not to involve the volunteer board in too much work , if at all! So again ,we DO the TNF , and if we can better it , even with a little help from Twinny , lets try ! :smoking:

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 13:46

Hi Bjorn,

What you’re describing here and in this thread is a META-style of organising forum topics – I’ve seen it used very effectively at other forums, saving time searching on specific subjects.

As you’ve highlighted, with the nature of freeform discussions being what they are, the information one wants to find can often crop up in a discussion labelled with a seemingly unrelated topic title.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metadata

In order to get topics listed in a META-style, you will need to get a fair amount of commitment from the members involved…

Let’s say a forum member is charged with compiling a META thread relating to small Italian sports cars. We call this the “Etceterini META”. Every time any forum member finds something relating to the topic, say discussions on Oscas or Stanguellinis, they add a link to the Etceterini META. Every now and again, the topic starter will copy and edit each link into the 1st post of the thread in a logically ordered list. That first post in the thread becomes the META, and the moderator can choose to delete the other posts in the thread once the links have been added to the first post.

The webmaster then compiles a “META META”, listing the individual META threads.

I have a strong suspicion that my META suggestion may not be entirely popular with the members here, but anyway...

I’m sure Don Capps could compile a splendid META on the lesser-known US racing series, as could Ray Bell on Australian series of historical relevance. Whether Messrs Capps and Bell have the time or inclination to do so is another kettle of fish entirely :cat:


Justin

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 14:10

Originally posted by flat-16
Every now and again, the topic starter will copy and edit each link into the 1st post of the thread in a logically ordered list. That first post in the thread becomes the META

That isn't possible here because you can only edit a post of yours for 7 days. After that you are finished.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 00:58

Justin,

Interesting that you should mention Metadata since before I headed off for the Sandbox in Southwest Asia I was heading up a team working on certain aspcts of metadata as part of the M&S (modeling & simulation) functionality for the GIG (Global Information Grid) for the DOD. It was fascinating work and we really did a lot before I left -- and my successor really pushed the work even further along. Our work left me wondering even more about the fate of TNF at some point down the road. At some point in the not too distant future, the underpinnings of TNF will be in the same technology category as the 8-track tape -- if it isn't there already.

At some point, TNF will become a "challenge" to maintain on the technical side. As a freebie sort of enterprise, it will be interesting to see what happens. I think I can use the term "broken record" since there are those here who have actually purchased and played records on machines called "record players" -- which are not readily available these days it would seem. Given the seemingly endless and relentless march forward by the technology with which we live, on some day there will be a day of reckoning here. Not tomorrow or next week or next year or the year after, but some day.

I have largely given up on any efforts to save TNF from itself. It will someday belong to the Ages. Until then, I will suffer the endless posting of the pedants -- who seem to be gathered largely upon that landmass off the coast of France and the Low Countries and whose attention is often focused no further than the shores of that small kingdom -- and others to whom "nostalgia" equates to "history" and therefore provide numerous opportunities to not read many of the threads that appear.

As time as passed, I largely consider my time here as a failure. Not a complete failure, but still a far less successful adventure than I had hoped, even given the low expectations I placed upon it.

If asked for my suggestion, I would recommend that we find a way to somehow retain the kernals of real knowledge that exists within TNF and then somehow try again, keeping the inevitable fluff and nonsense -- usually the Pedants spinning off into their private fantasies -- to a reasonable minimum and, perhaps, even taking the radical step of splitting TNF into several branches.

But, I digress....



Originally posted by flat-16
Hi Bjorn,

What you’re describing here and in this thread is a META-style of organising forum topics – I’ve seen it used very effectively at other forums, saving time searching on specific subjects.

As you’ve highlighted, with the nature of freeform discussions being what they are, the information one wants to find can often crop up in a discussion labelled with a seemingly unrelated topic title.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metadata

In order to get topics listed in a META-style, you will need to get a fair amount of commitment from the members involved…

Let’s say a forum member is charged with compiling a META thread relating to small Italian sports cars. We call this the “Etceterini META”. Every time any forum member finds something relating to the topic, say discussions on Oscas or Stanguellinis, they add a link to the Etceterini META. Every now and again, the topic starter will copy and edit each link into the 1st post of the thread in a logically ordered list. That first post in the thread becomes the META, and the moderator can choose to delete the other posts in the thread once the links have been added to the first post.

The webmaster then compiles a “META META”, listing the individual META threads.

I have a strong suspicion that my META suggestion may not be entirely popular with the members here, but anyway...

I’m sure Don Capps could compile a splendid META on the lesser-known US racing series, as could Ray Bell on Australian series of historical relevance. Whether Messrs Capps and Bell have the time or inclination to do so is another kettle of fish entirely :cat:


Justin



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Posted 22 October 2007 - 05:52

Hi Justin , you use the word popular, or rather NOT popular! I have not been very clear perhaps on my thoughts , believing perhaps or hoping for a little more debate than so far on this matter.Also I might not be too sharp at times , but I have seen your suggestion on other threads too , working well and even with hints to reletad threads etc. As I understand it we have an oldfashioned system wich is not to change in the technical way.I have been all over the TNF searching AND finding that it is quite a mess. We have some stickys where we should have some advise . When I started on this forum less than 2 years ago , there was no such thing so I just plunged into it and soon got picked on. Since the beginnning I have learned a lot , but every newbie does exactly the same as me , and a lot of the experienced users too! I want info , cant find it , make a new thread exactly to my wants , and comes up with ..........in short , there is no thread disciplin. This is what a "welcome , before you start your first thread " sticky could be !. The absolutely best thing would be to start a whole new TNF on a new system and then pick the info from the old one. And here I have to step back because I dont know about this. So back to what we have ,and could we tidy it up ? I still think its could be done. My small example at the OSCA thread was only to show how , but the way this system works its only amatter of time and my little list would be in the middle of the whole thread and more or less lost! A compilation of threads at the beginning of each vital thread like Ferrari , you could list Blue Ferrari or No.27 Why? or whatever. I am still for the simple demand of trying to name your thread as to who or what it is . That is the very first step I believe , and the earlier we can begin the better , as threads just keep pouring in . There are thousands of examples to this , go back a couple of posts and you will see some. We could also easily (?) have a sticky compilation . I once made a thread on US drivers alone by name , and there is a lot , but also "extra" ones on some of the names. Like Mark Donohue , think is it about 17 and the are NOT all titled with his name. And I would like to add that I have not followed that thread up lately! I cannot do this alone! After all the sticky there could be a long list of contents where if not collected together , at least names of threads (and related) could be listed , and I do not see that impossible. But it needs some team work ! How about it all ?? And Twinny /the Board ?

#291 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 06:28

I just got fired up so here is a suggestion to try and get hold on the mess. I am here trying to by-pass the lackings in our system of course ::

Sticky thread : CONTENTS : name the areas we work in : Cars , drivers , tracks numbers ,etc.
It would be nice to have a sticky on each ,but that would just be too much , wouldnt it.!

Next is to open 1 "main" thread for each , and then fill in the related threads ! You can then get an overview of what there is and quite easily find what you in most(?) cases are looking for, a COMPILATION.

Now is that simple and relative easy done or what ?

PS a thread on the subject would be say : Osca

A related would be say : Louis Chiron

This way we could at least find more infos!

And all members can go into the COMPILATION threads and write the thread they found! These COMPILATION threads could be used for a "controlled whatever" you might wish , like US Drivers , F drivers etc.

So guys get out of your backyards , I am not the smarty here , you have experience too , and newbies lets here from you , this is OUR forum ,we make it , no whining , lets try to hold it together.

#292 275 GTB-4

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 12:01

One simple thing that could be done is to "nest" common threads. After a simple search for Jack Brabham, all threads directly related to the man himself as opposed to the cars...could be clumped together.

It would mean a different format or way of displaying the threads...but at least the discussion threads would be retained rather than merged.

#293 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 22:58

Bjørn,

While I admire your desire to make a purse out of a sow's ear, I do think that you will find that this is a road that has been explored a few times in the past, each time with the same result: not much.

As much as I deal with data (and particularly models) in my Day Job, when it comes to my own personal research work, I usually place it into a document format and eschew databases. It is that Luddite streak in me which I find difficult to repress.

Don

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 03:07

:wave: While slowly retreating my antennas ,( I am not sharp on "i.t") , finally getting the point ,it will not prevent me from pointing out the lack of sticky wich gives some advise, to get some disciplin in the sensible use of threads ! Waking early this morning knowing it was not possible and I had to do my own , is now confirmed.
Why wasnt I told earlier ? Thanks Don! :smoking:

#295 275 GTB-4

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 09:30

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps
As much as I deal with data (and particularly models) in my Day Job, when it comes to my own personal research work, I usually place it into a document format and eschew databases. It is that Luddite streak in me which I find difficult to repress.

Don


Don...enjoy your Luddite status, but don't let that get in the way of progress.

All this wonderful data needs to be saved for posterity...lets not forget that.

Cheers, from Down-under.

#296 Frank S

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 19:28

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps
[ ... ]

It is that Luddite streak in me which I find difficult to repress.

Don

Yo, Don ...

You misspelled "cranky old coot".

Cheers,

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#297 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 23:08

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
Don...enjoy your Luddite status, but don't let that get in the way of progress.

All this wonderful data needs to be saved for posterity...lets not forget that.

Cheers, from Down-under.


I often fail to see the charms of what is so often flogged as "progress" these days. Neither was I exactly overwhelmed with "progress" in the past.

As for all the data within TNF, some day they will pull the plug and you kiss it all goodbye. In the currrent jargon, Bottom Line Up Front -- it might be a bridge too far on the technical road since TNF is probably still running on a variant of what it was using when it began operating which is now going on eight years ago, an eternity in the geek universe. Such a platform is not a problem for an activitity such as Racing Comments where longevity is not an issue, but the extent to which something is "backward compatible" does have a relatively short shelf life these days.

When they finally dumped WordPerfect 5.1, I went into mourning....

#298 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 08:31

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps
I think I can use the term "broken record" since there are those here who have actually purchased and played records on machines called "record players" -- which are not readily available these days it would seem.


:) Not quite Don, even with USB connection these days:

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And I still use WordPerfect 5.1 for some applications, really. :up:

#299 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 15:23

Originally posted by Arjan de Roos
even with USB connection these days:


Arjan

Is that an Ion? Do you have one? I saw one advertised recently. I'd like to know if they work okay. Is it worth getting one? Or should I just pay $15 each to get my albums put on CD? By the way, you have some fabulous models at your site!

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., Canada

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#300 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 16:39

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003


Arjan

Is that an Ion? Do you have one? I saw one advertised recently. I'd like to know if they work okay. Is it worth getting one? Or should I just pay $15 each to get my albums put on CD? By the way, you have some fabulous models at your site!

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., Canada


I guess that is not an ION. I am planning on buying one to get all my Sounds of Sebring and Schofield records on CD. And maybe get some splits and splats out.

Thank you, I do my best to offer a wide selection of great model kits.