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#1 Muzza

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Posted 11 October 2004 - 02:32

Dear Fellows,


Does anybody has - or knows a source where I can find - the hour chart for the 1949 24 Hours of Le Mans, showing the evolution of the classification hour by hour?

Thanks indeed in advance,


Muzza

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#2 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 11 October 2004 - 02:51

Dear Muzza:
I have not the complete chart, but the leading positions after 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 17th, 18th and 21st hours. Would be that of help?

#3 Muzza

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Posted 11 October 2004 - 03:18

Caro Pablo,


That would be great! Could you please publish it here, or send it to my e-mail address? (whichever is less troublesome to you)

If you send it to me by e-mail I will gladly post it here for the benefit of other members that may also have interest on it too (Stefan Örnerdal, maybe? :wave: )

Gracias,


Muzza

#4 dretceterini

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Posted 11 October 2004 - 16:56

I have gone through what I have on 1949 LeMans, but can't find anything with lap charts...sorry..

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#5 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 11 October 2004 - 17:06

OK, let's go

1st hour (5pm)
1. Chaboud (Delahaye) 95.3 mph
2. Flahaut (Delahaye)
3. Ferret (Ferrari)
4. Rosier (Talbot)
5. Chinetti (Ferrari)
6. Vallee (Talbot)
7. Giraud Cabantous (Delahaye)
8. Louveau (Delage)
9. Veuillet (Delage)
10 Jason Henry (Delahaye)
11. Aldington (Frazer Nash)
...
17. Monkhouse (Aston Martin)
18. Folland (Aston Martin)
...
22. Jones (Aston Martin)
23. Hay (Bentley)
...
28. Philips (MG)
...
30. Thompson (HRG)

2nd hour (6pm)
1. Chaboud, 185 miles

3rd hour (7pm)
1. Chaboud-Pozzi, 33 laps, 91.3 mph
2. Flahalt-Simon, 31 laps
3. Selsdon-Chinetti, 31 laps
4. Dreyfus-Lucas, 31 laps

4th hour (8pm)
1. Chaboud 91.6 mph
2. Flahaut
3. Chinetti
4. Ferret
5. Vallee
6. Veuillet
7. Aldington
8. Louveau
9. Cabantous
10. Jason Henry
11. Gerard (Delage)
12. Marechal (Aston)

6th hour (10pm)
1. Vallee-Mairesse, 61 laps, 85.7 mph
2. Selsdon-Chinetti. 61 laps
3. Veuillet-Mouche, 60 laps
4. Culpan-Aldington, 60 laps

(And, sorry chaps, my daughter's asking me to go out and have some roller-skating. How can I refuse?. I will continue later).

#6 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 02:57

8th hour (Midnight)
1. Chinetti, 80 laps, 84.1 mph
2. Vallee, 80
3. Veuillet, 80
4. Louveau, 79
5. Aldington, 78
6. Gerard, 77
7. Rolt-Jason Henry, 76
8. Marechal, 74
9. Bouchard-Larrue, 73
10. Deutsch-Bonnet, 72
11. Morel-Chambas, 72
12. Jones-Haines, 72

9th hour (1 am)
1. Chinetti, 90 laps, 84,77 mph
2. Veuillet, 90
3. Vallee, 89
4. Louveau, 88

13th hour (5 am)
1. Chinetti, 129 laps, 83.2
2. Louveau, 127
3. Gerard, 126
4. Aldington, 124
5. Marechal, 119
6. Bonnet, 118

15th hour (7 am)
1. Chinetti, 149 laps, 89.7 mph
2. Louveau, 148
3. Gerard, 148
4. Aldington, 144

17th hour (9 am)
1. Chinetti, 170 laps
2. Louveau, 169
3. Gerard, 169
4. Marechal, 167
5. Aldington, 163

18th hour (10 am)
1. Chinetti, 180 laps, 84.12 mph
2. Louveau, 179
3. Gerard, 177
4. Aldington, 173

21th hour (1 pm)
1. Chinetti, 208 laps, 83.1
2. Louveau, 204
3. Aldington, 200
4. Gerard, 200
5. Morel, 193
6. Bouchard, 192

#7 Muzza

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 04:13

This is fantastic, Pablo! It will help us a lot. Thank you. :up:

(Just one thing: next time you take your daughter for a rollerskating ride please shortcut the loop back home - I was waiting for hours for you to come back! :D )

Gracias,


Muzza

#8 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 11:12

Dear Sal

I have too some "notes on cars retired" from "Autocar". Do you need something like that?

#9 Muzza

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 18:54

Originally posted by Pablo Vignone
Dear Sal

I have too some "notes on cars retired" from "Autocar". Do you need something like that?


That would be most welcome, Pablo! Any information on that race (really anything) is significant.

Thank you very much,


Sal

#10 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 21:52

Yep, as Muzza says, I am VERY interested, too!

Stefan

#11 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 00:48

OK, the first part

Nº 49, Gordini-Simca 1.099cc, Trevoux-Lesurque, 5 laps, engine failure.

Nº 19, Aston Martin-Lagonda 2.580cc, Johnson-Brackenbury, 6 laps, loss of water owing to steam pocket in cooling system. This the AM coupé with Lagonda engine enter as a prototype

Nº 32, Alvis 1.892cc, Eggen-Kraft, 6 laps, big-end bearing failure.

Nº 35, H.R.G. 1.496cc, Clark and Goodall, 11 laps, radiator header tank split.

Nº 7, Talbot 4.068cc, Rosier-Rosier, 21 laps, Broken fan belt, replace but with such loss of of water that the car could not be kept going until next replenishment period.

Nº 57, Renault 759cc, Hardy-Roger, 21 laps, a valve broke and damaged a piston.

Nº 31, Aston Martin, 1.950cc, Heal-Folland, 26 laps, ignition control broke costing the car two laps. This was repaired but temperature rise had damaged a piston which failed soon afterwards.

Nº 3, Delahaye 4.464cc, Chaboud-Pozzi, 52 laps, Car caught fire with short circuit which was repaired on the course by Chaboud but car ultimately retired with electrical trouble.

Nº 23, Ferrari 1.995cc, Dreyfus-Lucas, 53 laps. Car had to swerve when overtaking two other cars near White House and rolled over at high speed. Dreysfus was miracously uninjured.

Nº 16, Delage 2.985cc, Versini-Serraud, 58 laps, engine seized up.

(Some will follow soon).

#12 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 01:35

Nº 36, Riley 1.494cc, Trouis-Eckerlein, 40 laps, engine trouble.

Nº 34, H.R.G. 1.496cc, Scott-Gee, 83 laps, fuel feed failure and cracked block.

Nº 50 Gordini Simca 1.099cc, Scaron-Veyron, 89 laps, steering and clutch trouble.

Nº 2, Talbot 4.483cc, Vallee-Mairesse, 95 laps, engine failure.

Nº 10, Delahaye 3.566cc, Jason Henry-Rolt, 107 laps, big-end bearing failure. This is R.R.C.Walker pre-war car.

Nº 8, Delahaye 3.617cc, Cabantous-Chanal, 126 laps, dynamo failed, removed, car failed through lack of current to work the Cotal gearbox.

Nº 4, Delahaye 4.644cc, Flahault-Simon, 179 laps, Hose clip broke and flooded engine. Car did several laps boiling foe lack of water but had to retire.

Nº 43, MG 1.250cc, Phillips-Dryden, 184 laps, car disqualified beacuse mechanic went round the course to help the driver replace a faulty condenser.

Nº 28, Aston Martin 1971cc, Marechal-Mathieson, 192 laps, Marechal was attempting to overtake Aldington when he overturned soon after Arnage. Driver died from his injuries on Monday. Car previously stopped with brake trouble.

Nº 5, Delettrez diesel 4.395cc, Delettrez-Delettrez, 123 laps, fuel shortage.

(Tomorrow, last ten retirements)

#13 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 03:06

I can add the 12 hour (4 am) positions from The Motor Yearbook.

1. Chinetti-Selsdon, 2-litre Ferrari, 120 laps, 1003.8 miles, 83.85 mph
2. Louveau-Jover, 3-litre Delage, 117 laps
3. Gerard-Godia, 3-litre Delage, 117 laps
4. Culpan-Aldington, 2-litre Frazer-Nash, 115 laps,
5. Marechal-Mathieson, 2-litre Aston Martin, 112 laps
6. Bonnet-Deutsch, 2-litre D.B., 109 laps
7. Jones-Haines, 2-litre Aston Martin, 108 laps
8. Morel-Chambas, 4.5-litre Talbot, 107 laps
9. Flahault-Simon, 3.5-litre Delahaye, 107 laps
10. Bouchard-Larrue, 3.5-litre Delahaye, 107 laps
11. Veuillet-Mouche, 3-litre Delage, 105 laps
12. Hay-Wisdom, 4.5-litre Bentley, 104 laps
13. Meyrat-Brunet, 3.5-litre Delahaye, 103 laps
14. Thompson-Fairman, 1.5-litre HRG, 103 laps
15. Leblanc-Brault, 3.5-litre Delahaye, 102 laps
16. Phillips-Dryden, 1250cc MG, 101 laps

#14 Gert

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 16:31

I took a look at the Le Mans section of Motor Clube do Estoril, but I think there's nothing you don't already know.

1949 entry
Classification
Hour by hour

i don't know how reliable all this info is, but there seems to be a lot of information on that site, that I haven't seen anywhere before.

#15 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 13 October 2004 - 18:41

Probably very reliable, it's a copy of my site ;)

Stefan

#16 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 03:16

And, so, the last part:

Nº 42, DB 1,490cc, Bonnet-Deutsch, 176 laps, mechanical failure

Nº 54, Simca 1,090cc, Elder-Camerano, 95 laps, broken camshaft. (Viviane Elder was the only woman racing this Le mans)

Nº 56, Singer 983cc, Savoye-Renault, 97 laps, clutch bolt failure.

Nº 45, Monopole 1,096cc, Hemard-Lienard, 125 laps, mechanical failure

Nº 46, Simca 1,089cc, Lecerf-Redge, 89 laps, broken camshaft

Nº 48, Simca 1,091cc, Vernet-Batault, 118 laps, crashed into a tree when Batault fell asleep.

Nº 51, Simca 1,085cc, Tocheport-Caron, 45 laps, was following the Ferrari which overturned (nº 239 and a flying stone smashed the radiator.

Nº 30, Aston Martin 1,955cc, Monkhouse-Stapleton, 45 laps, a badly fitting plug washer caused local overheating and the cause was not discovered until a damaged cylinder head forced retirement.

Nº 18, Delage 2,978cc, Veuillet-Moche, 203 laps, engine failure.

Nº 1, Talbot 4,483cc, Morel-Chambas, 222 laps, was not seen to appear for the chequered flag and was believed to have stopped in its last lap from lack of fuel.

...and that's that!

(Source: "Autocar", July 1st, 1949).

#17 Gert

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Posted 18 October 2004 - 15:05

Originally posted by Stefan Ornerdal
Probably very reliable, it's a copy of my site ;)

Stefan



Is it? Oops. I didn't know that ...

At least they seem to added some info of their own, like prequal/qual/grid and some hour charts.

#18 aldo

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 16:10

There is a very good book by Christian Moity, published in French in the Seventies, large format, plenty of photos, covering the 24 H 1949-1967. Hour by hour placement, class, Index and overall winners, reason of failure, some technical data on cars.
I've seen copies on sale at this year Retromobile. It should be pretty expensive, yet it's a golden mine. And truly accurate it seems.

#19 Gert

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 13:01

Do you happen to know the title of that book, Aldo?

Even though I prefer English, a French text wouldn't scare me :)

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#20 aldo

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 16:51

Gert:
I don't have the book here, now, yet the title, as I remember it, is very simple: Les 24 heures du Mans 1949-1967.