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#101 oldjonesfan

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:57



Fantastic amount of new information, but somebody must know the answer to this...

 

 

Did it really go to the States?

 

Well here it is in the States for the filming of "The Betsy" (and yes that is a young Tommy Lee Jones) which was released in early 1978 and it was out here for KB to drive in the 1978 Rothmans Series in February so this must have been taken in 1977?

 

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#102 BobPaton

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:27

Of the photos I have I think this is the only one of the BT43 Rollout photos that is not so common on the net :

 

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This one of the BT44 Rollout is for Bob to see if he can still name all of them :

 

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And this one is one of the BT42 Rollout photos which I think was obviously taken at an earlier time than both the BT43 and BT44 Rollout Photos :

 

 

 

I'll get to this soon. Have been VERY busy and will be for a while yet. I do recall many of the names and will get a comprehensive list back on the thread as soon as ....



#103 Gary C

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 17:15

that B&W picture link in the Hemmings blog is my photo. They must have crimped it from Bernard Cowdrey's book on F5000's.



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:53

I seem to recall at various stages either in RCN, or Auto Action, or Chequred Flag, or one of the other publications floating around at that time that the BT43 was incorrectly described as an "ex F1 car" implying that (like John McCormack's McLaren M23 and Alan Hamilton's Tiga modified McLaren M26) the BT43 had been reengined from being Cosworth DFV powered.  I don't know how or why this incorrect perception got around but it did seem to pop up now and again (even into the 1980 season when the CAMS Rules allowed cars other than F5000 such as F1 cars and Formula Pacifics when the BT43 was still rumoured to be in the country, supposedly had been repaired, and "could" be reengined as an F1 car!) until corrected by those in the know.

 

Obviously as everyone here knows it was a "one-off" F5000 with it's basic heritage from the BT40 F2 car and some of the design philosophy/concept from initially the BT42 and then the BT44.

 

Even this Japanese website not so long ago managed to get it right:

http://blogs.yahoo.c...k/11495929.html

 

 

Just had a read of KB's Wikipedia page and the ex-F1 myth is still given a run to this day :

 

"Bartlett was a fixture of Formula 5000 throughout the 70s with a series of Lolas and briefly a modified Brabham Formula One."

 

Anyone here with Wikipedia access able to correct it?


Edited by oldjonesfan, 23 November 2013 - 11:53.


#105 Mallory Dan

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 11:38

A late '73 A/Sport reported that Fred Opert was hoping to run a 2 car team of BT43s in US F5000 for the 74 series, Reuteman and W Fittipaldi being mentioned. Was this just gossip, or any reality to it I wonder? Fast Freddie never ventured into 5000/CanAm did he?



#106 f1steveuk

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:18

That BT44 roll out pic, 4th from the left (as you look at it) is that NDS???!!!!!!!!



#107 Gary C

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 13:21

d'you think??



#108 f1steveuk

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 13:47

I'd put money on it, Herbie looks very young!!



#109 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 16:04

From Alan Henry's "Brabham, The Grand Prix Cars"...

 

Nick Goozée, Gordon Murray, Derrick Walker, Dave Lonoregan, Pete Bedding, Bob Dance, Mike Bowron, Fred Bedding, Ron Cousins, Tony Harvey, Herbie Blash, Paul Amond, Jenny..., Ian Hilton, Kathy Howell, Harry Mendel, Ian...



#110 f1steveuk

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 16:57

I'd put money on it, and lose!!! Going back for a third look, he would be a bit short for Nigel, and it's a bit early for his "Jason King" period..........



#111 BobPaton

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 01:29

The names all look OK to me. The missing last one is Ian Taylour who is now in Australia. Nick G is holding "Mum" - the works cat. I don'trecall Jenny's last name but she and Ian Hilton had a bit of a thing going.



#112 dolomite

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 07:37

Why did the BT44 originally have such a tiny airbox? What was the thinking behind that?

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 12:30



Why did the BT44 originally have such a tiny airbox? What was the thinking behind that?

 

Don't know other than it seems to be about the same intake area as on the BT42.  Obviously it was modified and made taller before it's first Race in Argentina in 1974 as this happened

 

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before Reutemann (in)famously ran out of fuel giving the win to Hulme :


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#114 oldjonesfan

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:29

A late '73 A/Sport reported that Fred Opert was hoping to run a 2 car team of BT43s in US F5000 for the 74 series, Reuteman and W Fittipaldi being mentioned. Was this just gossip, or any reality to it I wonder? Fast Freddie never ventured into 5000/CanAm did he?

 

Hello Mallory Dan :

 

Would you know what issue that was in?

 

Regards