Who knows this man.....?
#1
Posted 12 October 2004 - 22:59
Who is or was CHARLEMAGNE TOWER ?
#3
Posted 12 October 2004 - 23:27
(I cheated and Googled him, but I'm none the wiser)
#4
Posted 12 October 2004 - 23:35
Originally posted by Vitesse2
(I cheated and Googled him, but I'm none the wiser)
Sounds like a dodgy Australian wine to me (sorry), but as it happens I know that a shipwreck of this name lies off the coast of New Jersey.
At this point I also cheated, albeit with more success. The potential TNF connection lies within the same geographical area as the eponymous ship...
#5
Posted 12 October 2004 - 23:49
Now I know the diving is rubbish and she is spread out over a large area of sea bed but unless she is a complete red herring I can't think of any further significance.
Maybe she was named after someone..
I'm hitting google...
#6
Posted 12 October 2004 - 23:57
Originally posted by bill moffat
Sounds like a dodgy Australian wine to me (sorry)...
And so you should be sorry!
There is no such thing as a 'dodgy Australian wine'...
And I feel cheated. I don't do so well on google and I'm waiting anxiously to see what the outcome of all this is.
#7
Posted 13 October 2004 - 00:01
#8
Posted 13 October 2004 - 00:36
#9
Posted 13 October 2004 - 01:14
#10
Posted 13 October 2004 - 06:23
I do know a little - and not from Google. Well, you couldn't invent a name like that, could you.
No, I came across him while browsing through some racing websites. I shall say no more....
...at the moment.
#11
Posted 13 October 2004 - 06:57
#12
Posted 13 October 2004 - 07:11
#13
Posted 13 October 2004 - 07:23
#14
Posted 13 October 2004 - 08:59
#15
Posted 13 October 2004 - 13:05
Originally posted by Barry Boor
We'll let it run a little longer.
I do know a little - and not from Google. Well, you couldn't invent a name like that, could you.
No, I came across him while browsing through some racing websites. I shall say no more....
...at the moment.
So there is a motor racing connection?
#16
Posted 13 October 2004 - 13:30
Or do you mean the other one, the FJ-driver?
Stefan
#17
Posted 13 October 2004 - 16:31
#18
Posted 13 October 2004 - 16:42
Originally posted by KWSN - DSM
I belive that there may be more than one Charlemagne Tower if the last post stand to reason.
Mmm..there is a Charlemagne Tower in the city of Tours in the Loire valley. Motor racing connection? Well if you miss your braking point at Mulsanne corner Tours will be your destination.
Closer to the trail must be a sometime F.J./Daimler SP250 driver of American extraction...
#19
Posted 13 October 2004 - 17:50
Originally posted by KWSN - DSM
I belive that there may be more than one Charlemagne Tower if the last post stand to reason.
Surprisingly its a name that crops up from time to time in wealthy american families, probably the same family. One Charlemagne Tower was ambassador to Russia - no idea if its the same one that raced. If you google "Charlemagne Tower" including the quotes you get an astonishing 1250 hits The wreck is there, the family lineage is there, the driver is there and the ambassador is there.
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#20
Posted 13 October 2004 - 19:56
Geoff Butcher
#21
Posted 13 October 2004 - 21:02
I'll hold Barry Boor responsible for this.
#22
Posted 13 October 2004 - 21:20
http://www.manuscrip...stock/21411.HTM
Hmmm....perhaps I can get the TNF notorieties to send me a few small words
I won't sell them till you're dead ...honest guv
#23
Posted 13 October 2004 - 21:37
Originally posted by Ray Bell
There must be something about using google that escapes me... I can't ever get that kind of result...
I'll hold Barry Boor responsible for this.
I found a single race result relating to 1960.
#24
Posted 14 October 2004 - 09:49
Originally posted by LB
Surprisingly its a name that crops up from time to time in wealthy american families, probably the same family. One Charlemagne Tower was ambassador to Russia - no idea if its the same one that raced. If you google "Charlemagne Tower" including the quotes you get an astonishing 1250 hits The wreck is there, the family lineage is there, the driver is there and the ambassador is there.
I do not think that he was ever the Ambassasor to Russia. I know that some sites refer to him as such, however the USA official listing of Ambassadors to Russia does not.
#25
Posted 14 October 2004 - 09:57
#26
Posted 14 October 2004 - 10:18
I resisted Googling, as Barry asked us no to - but can someone reccomend a source of guidelines for Googling (or other aptly-named "search" engines -- I'd feel more confident if they were called "find" engines). Like Ray, I always feels I'm missing something - Boolean logic notwithstanding.
Ease up on Barry, though! I blame Virginia Bottomley.
#27
Posted 14 October 2004 - 17:46
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Right - no Googling; no looking at websites; this has to be dredged up from your memory banks.
Who is or was CHARLEMAGNE TOWER ?
CHARLEMAGNE -----> Charles ------> Karl
TOWER -----> High ------> Wendlinger
#28
Posted 14 October 2004 - 18:29
I was browsing the Solitude website and looking through the various race results from the 1960s. There, in the 1961 Formula Junior race was this remarkably-named individual, Charlemagne Tower. An American, apparently, who drove a Lotus 18. I have looked around but can find no other appearances with the Lotus.
Naturally, this led me to Google, and as several others have discovered, the name turns up in various contexts, notably the shipwreck, but if you narrow the search, the aforementioned gentleman appears twice, once in a reference to the Solitude race and the other connected to an appearance at Sebring in 1960 with a Daimler sports car where he finished.... last.
So I am none the wiser than any of youse guys.
I therefore issue a minor challenge to our U. S. of A. members to try to find out more about this wonderfully named individual.
#29
Posted 14 October 2004 - 18:46
'CHARLEMAGNE TOWER WINS 1964 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!'
http://forums.atlasf...7556post1817556
#30
Posted 14 October 2004 - 18:58
#31
Posted 14 October 2004 - 21:06
#32
Posted 14 October 2004 - 21:07
Originally posted by KWSN - DSM
I do not think that he was ever the Ambassasor to Russia. I know that some sites refer to him as such, however the USA official listing of Ambassadors to Russia does not.
http://www.webster-d...i...r to Russia
check 1899-1902
There are at least five people called Charlemagne Tower. The ambassador was 1848-1923 as seen in Condors link. Another link refers to a Charlemain Tower jnr in 1894 being a trustee and President of the department of Archaeology and Palaeontology of Penn State University, I would guess this is the same man, due to the state links, which would make the name already 2nd generation - see http://www.library.u...r.memorial.html
Then theres this http://genealogyregi...orum.cgi/read/3 assuming her research correct the son Charlemagne Tower III dates from 1889-1954 so he can't be the driver either. however if you go further down that post you will find that there were 3 distinct Charlemagne Towers alive in the US at that time so the name is not unique and the driver may not be from this lineage. Perhaps if someone was really interested they could forward our dilema to Ms Walker and see what her reply would be.
I also found this http://bigtreebooks....ubCat=&SubCat2= check the Author I don't know when it was written so that could be any of the above.
#33
Posted 14 October 2004 - 21:13
As an aside, this man actually qualified 15th of 33 for that race at Solitude, so presumably he wasn't a complete plonker.
Then again, he did have a Lotus while many of the opposition were driving exotic tools such as TCA, Lova, Scampolo, Poggi, Zimmerman, Eigenbau and Bode!!!!
And why are these vehicles not at Goodwood, he asked.....
#34
Posted 14 October 2004 - 22:01
Originally posted by Barry Boor
the other connected to an appearance at Sebring in 1960 with a Daimler sports car where he finished.... last.
According to this http://www.classicsc...scc/ms1960.html there were several cars behind him/them in the Sebring 12 hour race - what qualifies as a finisher is beyond my knowledge.
#35
Posted 14 October 2004 - 22:18
The result I looked at seemed to stop after Mr. Tower. As you say, there were quite a few behind him at Sebring.
Apologies to you and Charlemagne!
#36
Posted 15 October 2004 - 07:18
Originally posted by LB
http://www.webster-d...i...r to Russia
check 1899-1902
There are at least five people called Charlemagne Tower. The ambassador was 1848-1923 as seen in Condors link. Another link refers to a Charlemain Tower jnr in 1894 being a trustee and President of the department of Archaeology and Palaeontology of Penn State University, I would guess this is the same man, due to the state links, which would make the name already 2nd generation - see http://www.library.u...r.memorial.html
Then theres this http://genealogyregi...orum.cgi/read/3 assuming her research correct the son Charlemagne Tower III dates from 1889-1954 so he can't be the driver either. however if you go further down that post you will find that there were 3 distinct Charlemagne Towers alive in the US at that time so the name is not unique and the driver may not be from this lineage. Perhaps if someone was really interested they could forward our dilema to Ms Walker and see what her reply would be.
I also found this http://bigtreebooks....ubCat=&SubCat2= check the Author I don't know when it was written so that could be any of the above.
Sorry I skipped right past him on the site I looked at:
Charlemagne Tower (1848-1923)
1899-1902
Charlemagne Tower served as Minister to Austria-Hungary for President William McKinley before being transferred to Russia as Ambassador. Following his post in St. Petersburg, he served as Ambassador to Germany from 1902 to 1908 under President Theodore Roosevelt. He was a trustee of the University of Pennsylvania, donating a large collection of 2,300 Russian books to the library, which forms the nucleus of Penn's Russian and East European collection.
#37
Posted 08 August 2015 - 09:45
Charlemagne Tower IV, the racing driver, died on 21 April 2013 in Thousand Oaks, California.
He was born in April 1934. Alas, I don't know the exact date.
From his obituary:
Known as Peter, died on April 21, 2013 at Los Robles Hospital after a long illness. He was 79.
Born and raised in Waterville, New York, Mr. Tower became a race car driver in the United States and Europe. In recent years he lived in Santa Barbara before making his home in Simi Valley.
He is survived by a dear friend, Lorraine Stone of Simi Valley and their dog Jubal, and cats Fiona and Fling. He is also survived by a sister, Helen T. Brunet of Mendham, New Jersey and many devoted nieces and nephews. Daughter Helena Elise died in infancy.