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#1 FrankB

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Posted 30 October 2004 - 12:00

"The Mille Miglia: A Stirling Effort - Fifty years on from the most famous victory of his motor racing career, Stirling Moss joins Jonathan Legard on a nostalgic journey to relive the drama and the romance of winning the Mille Miglia - a hundred-mile-an-hour dash across a thousand miles of open road in northern Italy."

BBC Radio 4, Friday 5 November, 1100 - 1130 GMT

The BBC normally has such programmes available via their website for 7 days after transmission.

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#2 Gary C

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Posted 30 October 2004 - 19:07

whatever happens, I'll be endeavouring to record this

#3 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 31 October 2004 - 08:44

Is that AM or PM?

#4 Gary C

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Posted 31 October 2004 - 08:50

that's am, Eric, just before the second of four programmes on comedian Peter Cook

#5 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 31 October 2004 - 14:08

I'll be tuning in - one of the advantages of working from home.

#6 Kpy

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Posted 02 November 2004 - 15:09

I hear that TNFer Mike Lawrence is involved in this programme. Is that so Mike?

#7 Macca

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 12:36

Just heard this programme - quite good. I particularly noted how Sir SCM remembered that his 'relief' stop at Rome (under the grandstand) took 1 min 4 secs - but he impied he could have improved on that if there hadn't been 10,000 spectators just above him!

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 14:27

Thanks FrankB! I missed the broadcast, but found the program on listen again http://www.bbc.co.uk...ams/fri1102.ram

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 15:02

It was interesting to hear the little clips from the BBC radio commentary at Aintree in 1955 and 1957. I'd love to hear more, do recordings of the complete races still exist?

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 15:31

Originally posted by dolomite
It was interesting to hear the little clips from the BBC radio commentary at Aintree in 1955 and 1957. I'd love to hear more, do recordings of the complete races still exist?

I thought that was maybe from a TV film rather than the radio. It was Raymond Baxter's voice and I don't remember him doing radio, only TV. 1955 was not televised but 57 was. Maybe was it from newsreel film highlights? In 1958 they sent a film unit to make a 15min film of most GPs.These may still be in the BBC archive.

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 23:00

Originally posted by Gary C
whatever happens, I'll be endeavouring to record this


If You by some chance didn't, I can E-mail You my copy... :) It took me 3 minutes to download the whole thing (I wish I was still on 56k modem, so I could feel smug about it :p), so I can listen to it whenever I want.

Kpy- yes, Mike was part of the programme (so were, surprisingly, Mikka Hakkinen who attended this year's race, and Jochen Mass who drove Stirling's car)...

#12 Barry Boor

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 08:27

Rob29 said:

These may still be in the BBC archive.



Oh dear, Rob. As our own Gary C found out some time ago, the BBC have simply, thoughtlessly, thrown away thousands of reels of film from their archives - many of which were sure to contain racing items.

Well done, Auntie. :rolleyes:

#13 dolomite

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 10:05

Originally posted by Rob29
I thought that was maybe from a TV film rather than the radio. It was Raymond Baxter's voice and I don't remember him doing radio, only TV. 1955 was not televised but 57 was. Maybe was it from newsreel film highlights? In 1958 they sent a film unit to make a 15min film of most GPs.These may still be in the BBC archive.


Yes they could have been TV commentary rather than radio I suppose, but either way they definitely seemed to be 'live' rather than the quite different style of voiceover used in newsreels which always described events in the past tense (compare with the Mille Miglia newsreel clips used in the same programme). The 1955 one was Baxter, 1957 seemed to be someone else with a much more plummy 'BBC voice'.

The 1958 films you refer to are presumably the ones that were shown on one of the Channel 4 petrolhead nights a few years ago?

#14 Gary C

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 19:19

yes, I thought it was a good, interesting programme. Nika turning up was one I hadn't expected!!
If anyone would like a copy on CD, feel free to e-mail me
PS.bit disappointed at the length of 'our' Mike Lawrence's participation though!

#15 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 09:05

Haven't heard it yet but I assume the Raymond Baxter voiceover of the 1955 Aintree race was from the BP documentary film made of that event. The film was shown in full in the 1997 Channel 4 "Stirling Moss Night".

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 10:47

Could anybody who has saved this programm on PC send me a copy to my e-mail (mrk_eg@yahoo.com)? Again, thank you a lot!

#17 Kpy

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 12:41

Originally posted by AAA-Eagle
Could anybody who has saved this programm on PC send me a copy to my e-mail (mrk_eg@yahoo.com)? Again, thank you a lot!

Just go to http://www.bbc.co.uk...stenagain.shtml
and look under Mille Miglia - a Stirling Effort.
I think it may only be there until Friday morning.

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 15:38

Thanks! I've downloaded that programm and I'm listening it now using RealPlayer, but how can I save it on my PC??? I don't know because I'm using RealPlayer for first time :| Please, help

#19 Kpy

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 15:52

Originally posted by AAA-Eagle
Thanks! I've downloaded that programm and I'm listening it now using RealPlayer, but how can I save it on my PC??? I don't know because I'm using RealPlayer for first time :| Please, help

I think you have to pay to upgrade see
http://www.real.com/
Have fun!!

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#20 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 10 November 2004 - 09:41

Well, finally, I've managed to download and save this programm on my PC :D ! This is what I needed to do:

1. Save the http://www.bbc.co.uk...ams/fri1102.ram file (1K) on PC
2. Open it using NotePad and copy the address of audio file itself: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/fri1102.ra
3. Download and setup the CoCsoft Stream Down 3.3 (it is free for 15 days); I used this link to do it: http://www.skan.ru/file/StreamDown.zip
4. Insert the address of audio file (rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/fri1102.ra) in the download field of CoCsoft Stream Down 3.3
5. Download the Mille Miglia: A Stirling Effort file (it is 9,6 MB)
6. Download and setup free RealPlayer from http://www.real.com/
7. Listen and enjoy!


Good luck,
Marko :wave:

#21 HistoricMustang

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 21:37

Last evening, here in the States, the Discovery Channel had a two hour documentary.

Did anyone else see this wonderful program?

WOW! :wave:

It kept me up way pass my normal bedtime.

Henry

#22 Gary C

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 21:39

What programme was it? The one that is the subject of this thread was a radio programme.

#23 HistoricMustang

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 21:56

Originally posted by Gary C
What programme was it? The one that is the subject of this thread was a radio programme.


Gary, thought I would hop a ride here rather than start a new thread. I was so involved in the actual program I do not remember the title. It was a modern day take on this past event with Stirling Moss adding comments. Simply beautiful cars and people.

Henry

#24 ZOOOM

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 14:05

Originally posted by HistoricMustang
Last evening, here in the States, the Discovery Channel had a two hour documentary.

Did anyone else see this wonderful program?

WOW! :wave:

It kept me up way pass my normal bedtime.

Henry


Henry, I saw it too! Had to kick my wife off the TV for two hours. I'll pay for THAT later. Watching it, I think I noticed that it was done back in 2006. Great stuff!
At the Dinner that the Madison Chapter of the SCCA had with Sir Stirling several years ago, Mossie said that he and Jenks had deceided that they would grab a wiz at the tire and fuel stop, by running through there in practise. The problem was that during practise the stands were not erected. They were quite surprised to see all the people during the race, but had to "carry on" as he said......

ZOOOM

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 20:31

Does anyone remember the TV drama of the 55 Mille Miglia ?

It was based on the tension of Moss and Jenks on the night before the race. I believe it ended with the two finally getting off to sleep with a voice over of the record breaking win that they achieved the next day.

A discussion program with Moss, Jenks and the program makers followed the drama.

Was it BBC in the late 1960s ? It was certainly well before I had a video recorder or I would not have to ask the question !

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 20:35

Yes, I remember it.......Michael Bryant played SCM, presumably due to his similar hairline............even at that tender age, I could tell it was cr@p (I'd read Jenks' report in the ghosted SCM autobiog).

Paul M

edit: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063302/

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 20:46

Thanks to the hint from Macca I can answer my own question....

Film Information
Titles MILLE MIGLIA
Main Director ROBIN MIDGLEY
Year 1969
Length 75 Minutes
Countries United Kingdom
Genre Made for television
http://www.citwf.com/film224228.htm

A surprising Fugard piece written by Fugard for the BBC, and later in 1970 repeated as part of their Wednesday Play series. It is about motor racing with Stirling Moss and Denis Jenkinson preparing for the race at Mille Miglia "I can still see it so clearly…the pit crew were nervous…the mechanic with the petrol fumbled…Lindemaier’s overalls were in flames". Tom Stoppard (in Stephen Grey´s Athol Fugard) says "the scenes where they sat side by side at a table, Moss miming at a wheel, Jenkinson signalling like a machine, shouting the kilometers and mimicking the horn...had the weird perfection of pure sound made".
Written for the BBC during a difficult time for Fugard "Really feel the loss of my passport for the first time these past two weeks. Re-examining and reworking Mille Miglia for Robin Midgley in London. The BBC have invited me to London for the filming". It was filmed in colour, but because technology was then not good enough to shoot in colour on location, it meant the entire story had to be filmed indoors. Stirling Moss objected to his portrayal which led to restrictions on the film being shown. Michael Bryant played Stirling Moss, Ronald Lacey played Denis Jenkinson and the rest of the cast were Guy Deghy (Alfred Neubauer), George Roubicek (Hugo), Douglas Ditta (waiter) and Fabio Galvano (radio commentator). The TV play was been adapted for the theatre as "Drivers" by David Muir.
http://iainfisher.co...-film-1960.html

#28 Rob29

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 08:56

A strange statement 'technology was not good enough for colour filming on location' I sure I have seen prewar colour action films set outdoors and I had my own 8mm movie camera in 1961. Reailty was most people including my parents still only had black & white TV in 1969.I think only BBC2 was transmitted in colour,so it was CHEAPER to make the programme in mono.Anyway I recall seeing it in B & W. :)

#29 Gary C

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 10:34

'technology was not good enough for colour filming on location'. Of course, absolute rubbish. One of my mates, who was a Lighting Gaffer at BBC Film Studios at Ealing from 1962-1992 would be APPALLED at that statement.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 12:49

Stirling actually took out an injunction to prevent The BBC from showing the play ever again, but you can see it privately at the NFT. I remember it very well.

"It portrayed me as a slob, and I'm not a slob..."

The scene which offended him most was when a priest stopped at his table in a restaurant to wish him luck in the race and the script did not have him standing up!

Pity, really...