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#4251 alansart

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:56

Sorry Dan. Read '82 for the colour pics.


Must be 83 for the F3 photos. That's the race that Senna ended up on top of Martin Brundle.


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#4252 Mallory Dan

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:42

Cameron Binnie?


Is that an Image FF4 nosing into the piuc, very rare. I believe Anthony Reid had the 'works' car for a while?

#4253 Phil Rainford

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 13:25

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I know Dan was claiming the Image was a rare beast....however is that not a lesser spotted Sparton at the rear of this shot :eek:

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#4254 pressman

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 13:44

Glad to see your enjoying the F Fords here are a few more

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Senna off a Fosters

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Do you remember a pre74 festival at Oulton, or was I dreaming ??

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#4255 Mallory Dan

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 13:44

Could well be Phil, the F Talbot-like FF80? And is that a Lola T540E (white helmet) at the very back? Alan Revell had one of the former, a "Team Touraco" Lola perhaps?

#4256 Simon Arron

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 13:56

Do you remember a Pre '74 festival at Oulton, or was I dreaming?

Thou dreameth not, Steve. September 4 1982. Three heats, two semis and a final, with prodsports, Pace FF2000 and Champion of Oulton as props.

#4257 pressman

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 14:12

Thanks Simon
I seem to remember it was wet with lots of spins... back to the scanner
meanwhile

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lesser spotted Sparton

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#4258 Phil Rainford

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 14:26

Glad to see your enjoying the F Fords here are a few more

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Senna off a Fosters

Cheers
Steve


Umm ..........Senna, Fosters and you; there is a recurring theme here Steve

Bet he was glad you didn't take GP pictures :)

Great images by the way :up:


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#4259 Mallory Dan

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 15:05

Who'd he take off that time...?

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#4260 Simon Arron

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 15:11

I think Ricardo Valerio might be parked alongside (rather than beneath) Ayrton.

#4261 alansart

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 15:45

Cameron Binnie?


The later photo shows it to be Tony Allinson :blush:


#4262 alansart

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 17:24

I seem to remember it was wet with lots of spins... back to the scanner


Steve, I've just had a look at your Flickr photos. Fantastic stuff. There's going to be a few happy people around here :clap:


#4263 Phil Rainford

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 17:35

Steve, I've just had a look at your Flickr photos. Fantastic stuff. There's going to be a few happy people around here :clap:


Get those Aurora pictures posted....not sure about the nudes though; don't want to raise anyone's blood pressure on this Forum :)


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#4264 Giraffe

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 17:47

Wasn't Aloysius' Lola was it Alan? Was it this meeting he destroyed his lovely new T462?


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#4265 alansart

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 18:13

Photos courtesy of Frank Hall.....


Pretty nasty, but at least he went in backwards.

Who's in the No 32 Lola that parks and helps turn the wreck over? I've looked on ORC and No 32 isn't there.

#4266 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 18:25

Who's in the No 32 Lola that parks and helps turn the wreck over? I've looked on ORC and No 32 isn't there.

No 32 is Robin Smith, Alan. For some reason ORC have him down as no 46

#4267 Giraffe

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 18:28

Pretty nasty, but at least he went in backwards.

Who's in the No 32 Lola that parks and helps turn the wreck over? I've looked on ORC and No 32 isn't there.


#32 was Robin Smith's Lola T330/2. (The official results had the wrong number attributed to the car).

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#4268 alansart

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 18:33

No 32 is Robin Smith, Alan. For some reason ORC have him down as no 46


Thanks Alan. These days it's said to be better to let the safety crews arrive and sort the problem out in case the driver is further injured by turning the car over, but good for Robin Smith for getting involved. I bet Alo's language was pretty foul!!!!


#4269 pressman

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 18:49

Hi Phil and Alan
The nude art sells more than the motorsport art and there all done in the best possible taste.....
I think I posted some of the Aurora pics a few years back
If I repost them can I expect a visit for the Spanish Inquisithion for reposting them


That was a BIG crash ,do we know why he went off?
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#4270 Phil Rainford

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 18:53

Bit spooky seeing the pictures after so many years of an incident that is etched onto my memory

Mr Arron and I were at Deer Leap and when the Lola was brought back to the pits............ we like the rest of the crowd could not believe the damage that had been inflicted

Couple of things...

1. Wonder how fast Edwards and the other cars approached the crash?
2. Surely the marshal should not be out in the middle of the track slowing the cars down?


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#4271 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 19:09

2. Surely the marshal should not be out in the middle of the track slowing the cars down?

Sign of the times I think, Phil. There are so many things that wouldn't be countenanced today that were taken as the norm 35 years ago.

#4272 Simon Arron

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 19:13

The marshals at Enna still behaved like that last time I was there, even when there weren't any crashed cars requiring attention...

#4273 Phil Rainford

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 19:21

Sign of the times I think, Phil. There are so many things that wouldn't be countenanced today that were taken as the norm 35 years ago.


True :well:


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#4274 E1pix

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 20:11

Quite a sequence, Giraffe, however painful it is to see. Man, I hate seeing race cars destroyed like that, the driver seems lucky to me. (surely he didn't feel lucky scrapping his new car)

#4275 Mallory Dan

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:07

Bit spooky seeing the pictures after so many years of an incident that is etched onto my memory

Mr Arron and I were at Deer Leap and when the Lola was brought back to the pits............ we like the rest of the crowd could not believe the damage that had been inflicted

Couple of things...

1. Wonder how fast Edwards and the other cars approached the crash?
2. Surely the marshal should not be out in the middle of the track slowing the cars down?


PAR


And Phil, remember this was only a few weeks after Tom Pryce's awful crash, though I accept circumstances were wholly different. Its a HUGE one isn't it, I've never seen those pics before, terrifying stuff

#4276 Allen Brown

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:27

No 32 is Robin Smith, Alan. For some reason ORC have him down as no 46


'cos that's what it said on he entry list. He was entered as 32 at later races but as 46 for the first two. I've changed ORC but added a comment to say he was entered as 46.

Mr Arron and I were at Deer Leap and when the Lola was brought back to the pits............ we like the rest of the crowd could not believe the damage that had been inflicted


I wasn't at Oulton but was at Mallory a few weeks later where the Lola had been rebuilt. I didn't note anything in my programme about it being a new chassis. So did it just polish out? :)

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#4277 pressman

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 19:29

Pre 74 FF Festival...Oulton Park 1982
It was wet with lots of spins I feel sorry for the flag marshal Bob Malloy

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#4278 MCS

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 19:53

I wasn't at Oulton but was at Mallory a few weeks later where the Lola had been rebuilt. I didn't note anything in my programme about it being a new chassis. So did it just polish out? :)


Allen, I forgot to mention this earlier, but I understand it was rebuilt. The tub stood up remarkably well although, in fairness, it was a rear-end impact with the sleepers. The sequence of shots posted by Tony have some missing I believe.

In answer to the question posed by Phil, there was some serious consternation on the following lap as a number of drivers weren't aware (couldn't see!) what was happening in terms of the crash/rescue over the crest at the top of Clay Hill. Bruce Allison was fortunate - I was told, I didn't see - not to have a seriously unfortunate accident and then berated the marshals in the pits about not providing enough warning apparently...


#4279 Alan Cox

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 22:42

June 1986 Oulton Park Formula 3
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#4280 Simon Arron

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 23:11

A few IDs from Steve's Pre '74 Festival gallery:

1 - Chris Johnson (Van Diemen FA73) passes spinner Phil Stevenson (Dulon MP15).
2 - The multiply initialled J Richard P Morris (Hawke DL11) heads for Cholmondeley.
3 - No idea.
4 - Phil Stevenson (MP15) and Tommy Roberts (Merlyn Mk17).
5 - Clive Plested (Merlyn Mk20/24) going off, Thomas Sturgess (Hawke DL11), Edward Lea (Lotus 61) and others.



#4281 Giraffe

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 17:02

PPS I haven't heard anything about the Frank Hall collection for about twelve months, Mark.


Well now I can tell you a little more. Whilst working on my project, I managed to track down Chris Winstanley who was bequeathed Frank Hall's archives upon his death.
Having been in contact with Chris on a fairly regular basis for nigh on two years now, he tells me has finally managed to catalogue what he has by date, location & event.
He is now in a position to supply specific images by request, but needs an event date, location and generally a competition number to do that. He can however provide contact sheets for specific meetings that Frank attended for the location of images.

If anyone has any requests that they would like to send to Chris, please contact me by e-mail (giraffe138@hotmail.com) or by PM & I will put him in touch with you.

I'm hoping of getting Chris posting on the forum in the very near future! :cat:






#4282 bradbury west

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 19:33

Tony, inevitably I will be in touch..........
It might help us all if we had some direction about the years in question and circuits etc covered. I can easily edit my spreadsheets and database as they are in detailed format already by name rank and number, and then some........
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#4283 Alan Cox

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 14:03

One for Mallory Dan. Oulton Park 1980. Kim Mather
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#4284 eldougo

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 05:12

Great shot Alan ,they came out of that corner onto the S/F straight very fast a great place to watch. :up:

#4285 E1pix

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 05:22

One for Mallory Dan. Oulton Park 1980. Kim Mather
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:up: Alan, sweet photo... is that a '80-vintage March, when they offered a Speedway nose as an option? Judging by the front hoop as well, looks similar to the chassis run here for Formula Super Vee. Is your pic a F2, F3, or F-Atlantic car?

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#4286 eldougo

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 05:37

I sure it was ...F-Atlantic March car.

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#4287 Ralf Pickel

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:27

Norisring 1988 - Dieter Quester fighting some opposite lock in the S-Bend.

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#4288 Simon Arron

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:36

I sure it was F-Atlantic.

It was a March 802, in F2 spec. Here's the same car taken at what might well have been the same meeting, about 200 metres before it reached Alan...
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#4289 Julian Roberts

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:54

Norisring 1988 - Dieter Quester fighting some opposite lock in the S-Bend.

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Love that shot. :love:


#4290 Alan Cox

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:00

Judging by the front hoop as well, looks similar to the chassis run here for Formula Super Vee. Is your pic a F2, F3, or F-Atlantic car?

It will resemble the March 80V in appearance, an example of which finished third in the European Super Vee championship with Günther Gebhardt

It was a March 802, in F2 spec.

Kim did try his luck in some European F2 races in 1980 with the car, failing to start at the BARC 200 at Thruxton but finishing 13th in the Marlboro Trophy at Silverstone
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Indeed, eldougo, it was/is a great place to watch as the cars appear from behind the barrier and the marshals' box as they have crested Deer Leap, and are gone in the blink of an eye.

#4291 E1pix

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:03

It will resemble the March 80V in appearance, an example of which finished third in the European Super Vee championship with Günther Gebhardt

Thank You, Alan. :up:

#4292 Mallory Dan

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:38

Kim had a rather disappointng year with the 802. After a few years of struggling with older cars, it looked like his big break, but the 802 never worked on the wooden Goodyear Aurora tyres. But then again the works & P4 802s didn't pull up too many trees either. Kim was outshone badly in Aurora by Jim Crawford, in a 2 year old converted Atlantic Chevron with, in theory, a lesser pwered engine. Or maybe Jim C was simply quicker than Kim...

Did Olly Hollamby have an 80V, Simon?!!!

#4293 Cirrus

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:56

Did Olly Hollamby have an 80V, Simon?!!!


He did - but he reckoned his 79V was a much better car...

#4294 Phil Rainford

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 18:05

Indeed, eldougo, it was/is a great place to watch as the cars appear from behind the barrier and the marshals' box as they have crested Deer Leap, and are gone in the blink of an eye.



As Alan points out still a great place to watch ....

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#4295 alansart

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 18:32

As Alan points out still a great place to watch ....

PAR


Good to see you got the Pirelli sticker as the central point of focus :)


#4296 Simon Arron

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 18:39

He fudged the Pirelli sticker on the nose, though...
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#4297 Stephen W

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:54

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I always find it annoying that the old cars have to compete carrying modern stickers. I know it is all about sponsorship either via the championship or if they are very lucky through personal deals. However I do think that it is inappropriate where these garish embellishments make the car look like a billboard. They should only carry the 'stickers' that were on the cars 'in period'!

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#4298 elansprint72

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 19:51

Staying with the Oulton theme, here we are at Knicker Brook on the 12th April 1974.

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#4299 Simon Arron

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 20:07

I suspect I'm in that photo, Pete, somewhere between the Dunlop banner and the Ford Thames...



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#4300 elansprint72

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 20:43

I suspect I'm in that photo, Pete, somewhere between the Dunlop banner and the Ford Thames...


Shirley not- all the blokes there have long hair!

Talking of old farts: despite huge investment by MSV, some of the fixtures are getting a bit crumbly. :smoking:

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