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#1 chrisclay53

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 16:36

My search for 731 photos did not come to much, but many thanks to those how did sent photos.

As the 731 was essentially a narrow track 721G, does anyone have any photos of that particularly the rear end.

Your help would be very much appreciated
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#2 Peter Morley

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 19:40

The Car Classic website has some info. on the 721G that is for sale.

http://www.carclassi...m/html/DD37.htm

This is the car that MecAuto in Belgium have restored, you might be able to get some photos via the website?

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 08:41

many thanks, at least its another start :up:

#4 Michael Oliver

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 23:26

Originally posted by Peter Morley
The Car Classic website has some info. on the 721G that is for sale.

http://www.carclassi...m/html/DD37.htm

This is the car that MecAuto in Belgium have restored, you might be able to get some photos via the website?


Ah yes, another 'interesting' Car Classic history.

The photos appear to show an F2-based 721G-type car, yet the history quoted is for Argentina and South Africa, where Lauda drove a 721, a tidied-up version of the previous year's 711 as far as I know and then he apparently drove this car in Spain, Monaco and Belgium, yet the record books show he drove the hopeless 721X in these three races. Lauda didn't so much as sit in a 721G until two weeks after the Belgian race, when he had a chance to drive Beuttler's car, the original 721G built by Bob Sparshott and John Woodington.

He then raced his own 721G for the rest of the year. So exactly which chassis would this history relate to then...?

Must be something about March histories and Car Classic, as the history given for the Tyrrell March that they've had for sale for some time makes interesting reading too...it also relates to more than one car.

I really can't comment on the authenticity of the cars involved but I just wish that companies trying to sell this type of vehicle would at least try and make some basic effort to get their facts right!

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 09:03

Having 'acquired' copies of the available photos and had a little time to review them.
I notice that the airbox is not quite correct. The general concept at first appears correct, however the rear section is completely incorrect.

In side profile, the rear section should be MUCH longer and far more 'pointed'. I can only assume that the original had been damaged and therefore necessitated the truncated form.

The attached links, although not prefect show what I mean.

When errors like this are made, it always makes me wonder what else is inaccurate. Clearly little research made have been attempted, made all the more difficult by suspect records from the manufacturer in the first place.



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http://www.forix.com...=0&c=0&p=22&o=1


I am turning into an anorak, or is it just being enthusiastic? :drunk:

#6 Peter Morley

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 10:44

It's the 721G that Chris Alford sold to Alan Baillie who sold it to John Harper, who then presumably sold it to the Belgian.

It was missing the airbox, so Mecauto had a new one made, it might well be slightly wrong.

I very nearly made a comment about Car Classic's description when posting but was worried about the legal implications (is there a connection with a very litigious Italian car 'authority').

The Tyrrell 701 description is very confusing, as are the descriptions of some of the other 701s that are for sale - which is surprising since the actual histories don't seem to be so complicated (at least to TNFers).

Here are a couple of photos I took when it was at Alan's.

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 14:06

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#8 chrisclay53

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 14:15

first time I have seen this picture, where was this taken?
Is a larger version available?

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 14:38

There is no secret - Twinny's photo was made at Brands Hatch 1972 (classified 7th but didn't finish)

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Posted 10 December 2004 - 19:20

You will find some pics here: http://www.motorspor...2/gpd_1972.html

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Posted 10 December 2004 - 20:30

My turn…..... :)

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#12 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 22:31

Perhaps helpful:

http://www.thegaffer...march/march.php

#13 Michael Oliver

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 23:02

Originally posted by Peter Morley
It's the 721G that Chris Alford sold to Alan Baillie who sold it to John Harper, who then presumably sold it to the Belgian.

It was missing the airbox, so Mecauto had a new one made, it might well be slightly wrong.

I very nearly made a comment about Car Classic's description when posting but was worried about the legal implications (is there a connection with a very litigious Italian car 'authority').

The Tyrrell 701 description is very confusing, as are the descriptions of some of the other 701s that are for sale - which is surprising since the actual histories don't seem to be so complicated (at least to TNFers).

Here are a couple of photos I took when it was at Alan's.

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Peter

I'm not suggesting that the car is not genuine but instead pointing out that the history given does not seem to be very accurate, as indeed seems to be the case with the 701. Which other 701s are for sale at present then?

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 23:37

Am I correct in recalling that Eoin Young had an ex-JYS March 701 pass through his hands some while ago?

As for the 721Gs, March were simply experimenting with their airboxes, I presume. And - for 1973, when Jarier got to drive one - the airboxes were 'pointy', but dark blue.

#15 Peter Morley

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 16:12

Originally posted by Michael Oliver


Peter

I'm not suggesting that the car is not genuine but instead pointing out that the history given does not seem to be very accurate, as indeed seems to be the case with the 701. Which other 701s are for sale at present then?


Michael

I didn't think you were suggesting it wasn't genuine, but was agreeing with the comment that the quoted history was shall we say unlikely!

Will try to find the ones I've seen for sale:

http://www.carclassi...m/html/DH69.htm

http://www.racecarsd...?id=15120&cat=1

I think they are the same car (701/7?)?
I'm sure I saw another one for sale earlier this year, that might possibly have been in Italy, and looked to be un-restored - but these could have been photos of this same car prior to restoration?

Will try to remember where I saw this one..................

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Posted 14 December 2004 - 09:05

Am I correct in recalling that Eoin Young had an ex-JYS March 701 pass through his hands some while ago?



Yes you are - I delivered it to him! I was using a trailer loaned by Rob Wilson, and he asked me and my dad to pick the car up from Alan McCall's workshop, and take it to Eoin Young's house. This would have been about 1979. As far as I remember, the car was a "standard" spec car, not the modified Tyrrell "lightweight" car. At that time it had an engine (or a very convincing dummy) and a few spares - we had to put front wheels on the back to get it in the trailer.

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Posted 14 December 2004 - 09:42

Originally posted by Peter Morley
It's the 721G that Chris Alford sold to Alan Baillie who sold it to John Harper, who then presumably sold it to the Belgian.

It was missing the airbox, so Mecauto had a new one made, it might well be slightly wrong.

I very nearly made a comment about Car Classic's description when posting but was worried about the legal implications (is there a connection with a very litigious Italian car 'authority').

The Tyrrell 701 description is very confusing, as are the descriptions of some of the other 701s that are for sale - which is surprising since the actual histories don't seem to be so complicated (at least to TNFers).

Here are a couple of photos I took when it was at Alan's.

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Thanks for posting the pictures Peter.

I think I know this car from when John had it and I traced its provenance all the way back to the factory. If I'm remembering it right, it is slightly curious - for reasons I won't go into here - but it has a solid claim to be 721G/4, which was Lauda's late-72 car.

Allen

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 13:43

it seems that anything March is clouded in mystery. Is this because chassis' were used for year on, year out?

So, the 721G, begat, 731, which begat 741 etc. etc.

The most amusing story I ever read, was how one driver could not get, I think is was a 761, to handle (Lombardi ?) only for Brambilla to go out and better the time quite handsomely. It did later transpire that the chassis was indeed damaged, cracked bulkhead comes to mind.

I met, only the once, and ex Leyton House mechanic. Being Inquisitive, I had to ask about ammusing stories. He said that the fuel used at the time (1988/89) was very interesting. Could take one's breathaway and any skin it came incontact with.

By now I have a significant amount of photos squirrelled away, but anymore would be most welcome of March F1 cars from any year, earlier the better.

Must get some of these posted soon, copyright permitting.
Shame that MotorRacingRetro is effectivly no more (well a shadow of it's original)

#19 Allen Brown

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 15:36

Originally posted by chrisclay53
it seems that anything March is clouded in mystery. Is this because chassis' were used for year on, year out?

So, the 721G, begat, 731, which begat 741 etc. etc.

It's usually because owners want them to be. I understand the first 20 years of nearly all the F1 Marchs - so up to the 1990s. Then the prices went through the roof and the real fun and games began!

Originally posted by chrisclay53
The most amusing story I ever read, was how one driver could not get, I think is was a 761, to handle (Lombardi ?) only for Brambilla to go out and better the time quite handsomely. It did later transpire that the chassis was indeed damaged, cracked bulkhead comes to mind.

Yes, a 751 'rebuilt' as a 761 but retaining its uninspected tub. Lombardi soldiered on with it as nobody believed her. Peterson then took over the car and realised something was badly wrong. They believed Ronnie and dismantled the car, only to find the cracked bulkhead. Even Max had to admit they owed Lella an apology.

I'm not surprised Brambles equalled her time. He had so much experience of driving broken cars!

Allen

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#20 David Beard

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Posted 16 December 2004 - 22:54

Just found a rear end shot as originally requested....sorry it isn't sharper

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Posted 17 December 2004 - 07:49

every little helps,
many thanks :wave: