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#1 Jimmy Piget

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 10:45

Hans Herrman raced the German GP with a Maserati 250F, both in 1957 & in 1958, and both had the same race number 17.

How can we know if a picture showing him at the Karussel (e.g.) wearing n°17 was taken in 1957 or in 1958 ?

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#2 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 13:28

Well, I'd be very surprised if the numbers were in exactly the same position in both years. In a quick search I've found two pictures, both of which seem to show the number on the nose as depicted in yours, Jimmy. One is definitely 1957 (in Eberhard Reuss' Grand Prix), the other is identified as being 1957 (in David McKinney's Maserati 250F, credited to Ferret Foto)

/me ducks to avoid incoming from Messrs McKinney and Walker ..... :p

#3 David McKinney

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 13:35

You're OK at least until I get home from work, Richard

#4 Reyna

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 13:40

Bonnier and Herrmann at Nurburgring '58 .

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#5 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 14:39

I think we can safely assume that our old friend Franco got those wrong then :rolleyes:

Not only different numbers, but different helmets too!

#6 Rob G

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 03:13

As an aside, it's interesting to see Bonnier running with the correct Swedish color scheme for a change.

#7 Barry Boor

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 07:56

Do we assume that Bonnier's car is yellow and blue? If so - COR! - that's a new one on me. Must get me paints out......

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Sorry, no intention to hijack the thread...

#8 Rob29

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 08:12

Was this the race when Centro Sud cars were painted with some kind of temporary paint that could be washed off later? Would have been interesting in the event of rain....

#9 gerard BARATHIEU

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 18:17

i think on the photo of REYNA the car driven by H.HERRMANN was in silver color in 1958.

like the car driven in practise by Horace GOULD.

This color as the car was distined to german driver Wofgang SEIDEL.

It was a CENTRO SUD Entry.

Nothing to say now about the color of Jo BONNIER's car.

#10 Rob G

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 18:29

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Do we assume that Bonnier's car is yellow and blue? If so - COR! - that's a new one on me. Must get me paints out......

I think it's pretty safe to assume that after comparing Bonnier's 250F with the photos in this terrific Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 thread.

#11 David McKinney

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 19:14

I'm waiting for Barrie Hobkirk to get his new computer sorted out :cool:

#12 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 19:42

Since the German officials were a bit strict about the rules, Bonnier had to repaint his red car into the official Swedish colours - blue and yellow. He had to do the same thing when he raced his Maserati 150S there in -56. Bonnier had his own F1-team by -58 by the way.
Herrmann drove Bonnier's other car in 1958, and it ought to have been silver since Herrmann was German. Centro Sud might have been involved in the entry, but it was a Bonnier car.

#13 uechtel

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 01:28

Herrmann drove Bonnier's other car in 1958, and it ought to have been silver since Herrmann was German.


But not if Bonnier was the entrant! Driver nationality did not matter.

#14 gerard BARATHIEU

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 10:02

from '' AUTOSPORT" august 1958 :

" Scuderia CENTRO SUD were out of luck this time.Indianapolis exponent TROY RUTTMAN was due to drive with them together with GODIA, BONNIERand HERRMANN.
However,the team had valve and piston trouble and by race day they had only
HERRMANN's and BONNIER's cars serviceable.

BONNIER now has the 1957 car which SCARLATTI raced last season:

it still basically red in colour but for the race was distempered in lurid blue and yellow.

There was considerable speculation as to the effect rain might have on this colour schemes !

#15 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 12:20

I don't know what kind of deal Bonnier had with Centro-Sud at Nürburgring '58. But he had his own team, his own transporter, his own Italian mechanic and owned both the cars 2524 and 2529.
But the paint-job was surely a quick one.