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#1 brickyard

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Posted 30 December 2004 - 18:10

Hello to all my friends here at TNF. :wave:

By request of many of you, I'm posting this data here, about the Portuguese racing circuits held in Portugal in the 50's. (It's my Christmas Gift for you all, and a way to show that I'm not here only to ask questions :rolleyes: as some of you might think :lol: )

There were 26 events between 1949 and 1960 held here in Portugal in the folowing tracks:

- Vila Real: 5 meetings (4 International events; 1 national)
- Boavista, Oporto: 9 meetings (all international)
- Monsanto, Lisbon: 5 meetings (all international)
- Vila do Conde: 7 meetings (all national)

Here are the winners: (by race)

GP of PORTUGAL:

1951 Boavista Casimiro de Oliveira, P (Ferrari)
1952 Boavista Eugenio Castellotti, I (Ferrari)
1953 Boavista Jose Arroyo Nogueira Pinto, P (Ferrari)
1954 Monsanto Jose Froilan Gonzalez, RA (Maserati)
1955 Boavista Jean Behra, F (Maserati)
1957 Monsanto Juan Manuel Fangio, RA (Maserati)
1958 Boavista Stirling Moss, GB (Vanwall)
1959 Monsanto Stirling Moss, GB (Cooper-Climax)
1960 Boavista Jack Brabham, AUS (Cooper-Climax)
from 1951 to 1957 for Sport Cars, from 1958 to 1960 for F1
not held in 1956

CIRCUITO INTERNACIONAL DO PORTO

1950 Boavista Felice Bonetto, I (Alfa Romeo)
for Sport Cars

GP of OPORTO

1954 Boavista Luigi Villoresi, I (Lancia)
1956 Boavista Alfonso de Portago, E (Ferrari)
for Sport Cars

GP of JUBILEE of ACP

1953 Monsanto Felice Bonetto, I (Lancia)
for Sport Cars

GP of LISBON

1955 Monsanto Masten Gregory, USA (Ferrari)
for Sport Cars

CIRCUITO of VILA REAL

1949 Vila Real Jose Soares Cabral, P (Allard)
1950 Vila Real Piero Carini, I (OSCA-Maserati)
1951 Vila Real Giovanni Bracco, I (Ferrari)
1952 Vila Real Casimiro de Oliveira, P (Ferrari)
1958 Vila Real Stirling Moss, GB (Maserati)
all International for Sport Cars, except 1949 who was National for Production Cars

CIRCUITO of VILA DO CONDE

1951 Vila do Conde Casimiro de Oliveira, P (Ferrari)
1952 Vila do Conde Francisco Corte-Real Pereira, P (DM)
1952 Vila do Conde Casimiro de Oliveira, P (Ferrari)
1952 Vila do Conde Vasco Sameiro, P (Ferrari)
1955 Vila do Conde Jose Arroyo Nogueira Pinto, P (Ferrari)
1959 Vila do Conde Horacio Macedo, P (Mercedes-Benz)
1960 Vila do Conde ??? (I have no idea yet)
in 1952 there were 3 circuit races held in the Spring, Summer and Autumn.
for Sport Cars except 1959 and 1960 for GT cars (all national events)

I hope this answers many questions and doubts, but if you want more... well just ask or visit my "in construction" site.

Best Regards

Luis Mateus
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#2 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 31 December 2004 - 11:06

Luis,
Thanks for your site!
I can help you with date and result for the 1968 race at Vila Real:
http://www.formula2.net/F368_E45.htm

Stefan

#3 brickyard

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Posted 31 December 2004 - 16:03

:up: thank you Strefan.
I will clarify some doubts I have with your site (Great site you have :clap: )

Next week I will update it, and I hope I can include all the main races from Vila Real.

Have a nice New Year

Luis Mateus
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#4 Reyna

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Posted 31 December 2004 - 17:21

Pegaso chassis at Porto:

1954. I Grande Premio do Porto.
DNF, #16. Antonio Creus, Pegaso Z-102 Berlineta "Barcelona" II [chassis 0115]


1956. II Grande Premio do Porto
DNF ?, #16. Antonio Creus, Pegaso Z-102 Spyder Touring "Tibidabo Gran Competizione" [chassis 0127]
DNS #17?, Julián Celaya, Pegazo Z-102 Berlineta Touring [chassis 0154]

#5 brickyard

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Posted 31 December 2004 - 18:57

:up: Thank You Reyna.

that's the kind of help I need to make my site the MOST COMPLETE about the subject.


Happy New Year

Luis
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#6 jpm2

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 20:39

A question to Luis (or anybody else who knows the answer, of course):

The circuit of Boavista had a total lenght of 7,5 kms in 1958 and a surprising
7,404 kms in 1960. Why was it shortned, and how?

Regards

#7 brickyard

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 20:53

Hello João Pedro,

I don't know where you saw those measures, but in all my records I have only three lenghts for the Boavista Circuit:

1931-33, 4100m (two sides of the Avenida da Boavista linked by two curves, almost as Avus)
1951-52, 7775m
1953-60, 7407m

That's all I can tell by now, but I can check other sources.

Regards

#8 jpm2

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 22:33

Thank you Luis

Those measures are from Forix. It is probably a mistake.
I must add that in Sheldon's black books the overall lenght of the Boavista circuit doesn't change.

Regards

#9 D-Type

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 00:20

Lang, who I think has based his books on British magazines, has 7.407km for both 1958 and 1960.

#10 Neri Moreira

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 10:30

Hi

Acording to my sources (mainly Motorsport and Autosport of the date) and GPS measures made by myself (in order to make the track for GPL and Nascar) 7404 m, must be pretty acurate for both 1958 and 1960 races.

To my knowledge there wasnt any change in the circuit between those two years.

Yours
Neri

#11 D-Type

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 13:17

On what line do you measure the length of a circuit?

On the centreline of the track?
On the shortest line?
On the racing line?

This could account for discrepancies of 20 to 30m.

#12 Neri Moreira

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 14:50

Hi D-Type

Of course I had to measure it in the driving line of daily traffic, as you know driving in the opposite direction of the race.
I've done it 3 times to try to be as accurate as possible and worked after over a calibrated topografic map using OZIexplorer.

Of course there must be some inconsistency with the measures of the organisation and I dont know what was their criterium.

Thats why I wrote that 7407 meters seams to me as a pretty acurate value.

Are you planning to pay us a visit in July if they do in fact the mini fake circuit races?

Yours
Neri

#13 brickyard

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 16:25

Hi,

just to clarify:

My measures are based on the official data from ACP, the race organizers, the magazines from the era, and from the know-how of Mr. Barros Rodrigues, an expert from that period.

And also the fact that the circuit used the same streets over the years, I think it's pretty valuable too.
In 1953 they changed the track lenght because they had to choose another street on the back of the circuit as the ancient one used in 1950-51 was too narrow and dangerous.

Regards :)

#14 paulhooft

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 13:33

I was at Oporto 3 weeks ago and even visited part of the circuit, and had a stop at
the seaside rotonde at the end of the long Boavista avenue.
At a shop in Oporto I saw 3 Portugese books, one about a classic cars meeting on the track, one about races on the Boavista circuit, and one more about 100? years of racing in Portugal,
However, as I was part of a tourist bus trip I was unable to find out if there were any english versions of the books published.
Do other members have more information on those books and there content?
Paul Hooft

#15 Neri Moreira

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 14:34

Hi Paul

I bought the book about the races on the Boavista circuit.
It is OK, it has a lot of information and fotos.

I saw the other two, but found no interest in buying them:

The one about "100 years of racing in Portugal" has lots of information about all those minor events and championships held in Portugal, I dont find it very interesting...

The other about the "classic cars meeting on the track", that was held on 2005 and probably will be held again in 2007, is just with infos and fotos of the event, held not "in the track" but in a new track that has almost nothing relating with the "real" track, and, more then that, that forced the destruiction of waht remained intact of that part of Av. da Boavista.(trees, lamps, and so on)

It was disgusting, and only part of a political campaign by our stupid fascist mayor.

Neri

#16 paulhooft

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 15:29

Neri,
can you give us the exact titles and writers of the books?
And were they released in English too?
Greetings from the Netherlands
I miss your great Vino Verdes..
Paul

(ok, they are sold here too, but I still have to visit the supermarket..) :lol:

#17 Neri Moreira

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:59

Hi again Paul

Sorry for the delay

The only thing I could find, till now, was about the book I own:

«Circuito da Boavista- Velocidade na Invicta»

author- José Barros Rodrigues
Edited by Talento

I tried to look for the others in this site:

http://www.circuitodaboavista.com/

But it says it is under reconstruction.

I also looked in the "Jornal de Notícias" site (as the book I bought was sold with the newspaper) in the ACP (automovel clube de Portugal) site and also in the "Bertrand" (bookstore where I've seen it) but all without sucess....


WAIT

The FNAC, site :
http://www.fnac.pt/l...ora&str=TALENTO

And here they are :)

GRANDE PREMIO HISTORICO DO PORTO 05
V A
Autor: V A
Colecção: N I
Editora: TALENTO
Formato: NORMAL
Idioma: PORTUGUES
PREÇO CAPA: 35,00 €
PREÇO FNAC: 31,50 €

CIRCUITO DA BOAVISTA VELOCIDADE NA
RODRIGUES, JOSE BARROS
Autor: RODRIGUES, JOSE BARROS
Colecção: N I
Editora: TALENTO
Formato: GRANDE FORMATO
Idioma: PORTUGUES
PREÇO CAPA: 25,00 €
PREÇO FNAC: 22,50 €

HISTORIA AUTOMOBILISMO PORTUGUES
RODRIGUES, JOSE BARROS
Autor: RODRIGUES, JOSE BARROS
Colecção: N I
Editora: TALENTO
Formato: NORMAL
Idioma: PORTUGUES
PREÇO CAPA: 49,00 €
PREÇO FNAC: 44,10 €

Sorry, all of them only in Portuguese.

See if there is something I can help you and, please, next time in Porto, look for me, OK?

Cheers
Neri