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[13davek]

Hello, I'm Dave Kennedy (I'm new here) and I'm into Porsche's, currently I'm researching the Porsche 804 F1. I'm hoping that someone here might have links they can give me that deal with this car.

Dave K

[teegeefla]

Here is a start...

http://www.classicdr...00.asp?id=10690

[HEROS]

Hello Dave,

Another link with some informations :

http://www.f1technic...Porsche804.html

[Barry Boor]

Perusing my Christmas present, Doctor Lawrence's book about F.1 cars, I see a comment that Jo Siffert was entered for the 1962 Solitude Grand Prix in a Porsche 804. An eyebrow or two raised slightly. I never knew that!

I checked up and Jo was there with the Lotus B.R.M and there WAS a third 804 entered but there is no driver named on Darren's site and the car never appeared. So is the Siffert information correct and if not where did the good Doctor get it from?

[Tim Murray]

Darren's info matches that in the Sheldon black book. There's no mention either in the Deschenaux biography of Siffert.

[fbarrett]

Dave:

You need a copy of the recent book Porsche 718 & 804 by Foedisch, Nesshover, Behrendt, and Rossbach. It completely describes the entire F1 and F2 program from 1957 onward, with lots if details of the cars' development plus some amazing photographs heretofore unseen by us. To me, it was absolutely the best Porsche book of 2010. $120 plus shipping from Toad Hall Motorbooks, www.toadhallbook.com or 303/237-0911 (Toad Hall specializes in Porsche titles).

Frank

Edited by fbarrett, 28 December 2010 - 04:10.

[Barry Boor]

Heros, it's a bit optimistic giving Dave some info. Post 1 in this thread was his only post and it was nearly seven years ago!

So, Dr. Lawrence, what's the truth?

[Bjorn Kjer]

As Porsche prepared a brand new 804 chassis 03 for Gurney , and Bonnier was in 02 , one might assume that the 3rd was Gurney former car , 01. I never heard or read or saw anything on Siffert and the 804.

[GIGLEUX]

On the official programme Porsche System Engineering had three entries:

-10 Gurney
-11 Bonnier
-12 ......

[fbarrett]

Perusing my Christmas present, Doctor Lawrence's book about F.1 cars, I see a comment that Jo Siffert was entered for the 1962 Solitude Grand Prix in a Porsche 804. An eyebrow or two raised slightly. I never knew that! I checked up and Jo was there with the Lotus B.R.M and there WAS a third 804 entered but there is no driver named on Darren's site and the car never appeared. So is the Siffert information correct and if not where did the good Doctor get it from?

Barry:

The above-reference book, Porsche Type 718 & 804, shows three Porsches in that race:

804/03 for Gurney, entered by Porsche System Engineering; qualified second, finished first and set fastest lap
804/02 for Bonnier, entered by Porsche System Engineering; qualified third, finished second
718/20-01 for de Beaufort, entered by Ecurie Maarsbergen, qualified eighth, finished fifth

The book's seemingly thorough race results do not list Jo Siffert as a driver in any event, but his excellent new biography, Jo Siffert by Ed Heuvink, just arrived here, so I'll have a look at that.

Surprisingly, at least to me, the results do show that Ludwig Heimrath drove 718/2-04, entered by Porsche KG, for the Pau GP in April 1962, though he was a DNF. Until I read this book, I never realized how many events the team actually ran. It's pretty amazing!

Frank

[Bjorn Kjer]

Heimrath crunched the Porsche after 24 laps.

[GIGLEUX]

The only time Heimrath drove a Porsche in F1 was at the 1962 Pau GP and he was with an official 718.

[Roger Clark]

Barry:

The above-reference book, Porsche Type 718 & 804, shows three Porsches in that race:

804/03 for Gurney, entered by Porsche System Engineering; qualified second, finished first and set fastest lap
804/02 for Bonnier, entered by Porsche System Engineering; qualified third, finished second
718/20-01 for de Beaufort, entered by Ecurie Maarsbergen, qualified eighth, finished fifth

The book's seemingly thorough race results do not list Jo Siffert as a driver in any event, but his excellent new biography, Jo Siffert by Ed Heuvink, just arrived here, so I'll have a look at that.

Surprisingly, at least to me, the results do show that Ludwig Heimrath drove 718/2-04, entered by Porsche KG, for the Pau GP in April 1962, though he was a DNF. Until I read this book, I never realized how many events the team actually ran. It's pretty amazing!

Frank

Didn't Heinz Schiller drive a 718?

[GIGLEUX]

Yes Schiller did, #202, entered at Pau by Ecurie Nationale Suisse. Bonnier was there too with #203 painted red and entered by the Scuderia SSS Republica di Venezia.
Ludwig Heimrath was rewarded by Porsche with a works entry after his good results in north american sports cars races.
At Solitude Schiller was there always with #202 but entered by Scuderia Filipinetti. Other 718 present Carel Godin de Beaufort #201, Ecurie Maarsbergen. The SSS take two entries for Vacarella and Abate but these 718 dna.

[Roger Clark]

My post was intended to refer to the Solitude race. It's surprising that Schiller's entry there isn't mentioned in the 804/718 book, especially as i've just ordered a copy!

[Hugo Boecker]

Perusing my Christmas present, Doctor Lawrence's book about F.1 cars, I see a comment that Jo Siffert was entered for the 1962 Solitude Grand Prix in a Porsche 804. An eyebrow or two raised slightly. I never knew that!

I checked up and Jo was there with the Lotus B.R.M and there WAS a third 804 entered but there is no driver named on Darren's site and the car never appeared. So is the Siffert information correct and if not where did the good Doctor get it from?

No the Siffert info is not correct. Jo Siffert was regarded as a talent in that time and connected to the Suisse Ecurie Filipinetti who owned a 718 F2. That car was driven by Schiller. Mitter and Siffert drove other Filipinetti cars.
The third 804 was perhaps for Barth. But Porsche had no car ready. NO THOUGHTS OF SIFFERT

My post was intended to refer to the Solitude race. It's surprising that Schiller's entry there isn't mentioned in the 804/718 book, especially as i've just ordered a copy!

This a very disapointing book, in my opinion. No words about the hillclimbs entered by Filipinetti, nothing new about selling and dealing with 718, very confusing text, good is the part about all the test and deveolping the 804. not much about M.May leaving Porsche in anger. (See Pau). Only few information of the private entered 718s.