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#1 kismet

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 15:25

Hello! :wave:


Posted Image to the second ever season of F1 Pools!

Those of you who participated last year and have good long-term memories may skip skippety skip the rules and scroll straight into Round 1 duels if you wish. Unlike Max and his minions, I haven’t been stretching my game host muscles and done any tinkering with the rules during this post-Brazil hibernation period.



Game rules and miscellaneous rambling (mostly courtesy of my old friends copy & paste)
You know how F1 is supposed to be a team sport? Well, in that spirit, this competition is about team effort rather than individual drivers.

The game is vaguely based on footie (soccer) betting. In a nutshell: I pick team-vs-team duels (qualifying and race separately), you predict the outcomes and post your educated guesses in the appropriate game thread (such as this one for round 1) using the hopefully familiar 1X2 system where 1 = home win, X = draw and 2 = away win. The home team is the one that’s mentioned first.

Both reliability and pace need to be considered when rating a team’s performance in relation to its duel opponent according to the principles laid out below. Every car/driver combo that either sets a time in qualifying or finishes the race counts towards a duel outcome. Note: they should actually reach the chequered flag, simply being classified isn't enough. Also, in qualifying, they need to successfully complete both their timed laps as I’ll judge them by the aggregate times only. Another note: possible 10-place grid penalties don't apply here - I'm only interested in the times set, not the actual starting grid. Failures to set a qualifying time and/or finish the race can and will be used against a team - assuming their opponent fares any better in the reliability department.

The basic idea is that by picking "1" you're predicting a home team sweep. Logically "2" is then an away team sweep which leaves "X" for everything else. So far so simple. It gets a bit more complicated if and when people start falling off the track, blowing up their engines and what not, so here's a summary of how various race/qualifying results translate into duel outcomes (team A vs team B) :

1	 the home team gets all its cars nicely lined up ahead of their opponents on the timesheets 

	  corresponds to finishing orders AABB, AAB, AB and just A, 

	  see item * below



X	 a "draw": a mixed grid/split result/any deviation from the above (or below) 

	  i.e. finishing orders ABAB, BABA, ABBA, BAAB, ABA, BAB, ABB, BAA

	  see item ** below	



2	 as in 1, but now it's the away team that does the winning
* If you can’t beat them on track, you can still earn brownie points for reliability. To punish evil (joke!) one-car operations, a finishing order ABB (team A wins on pace, B on reliability) translates into an X because this is supposed to be a team sport and there are 2 cars in a team. However, an AB finish does not warrant a punishment for unreliability because team A hasn’t done any worse than team B in that respect (A wins on pace, no one on reliability, hence the outcome is a 1).

** No unreliabilty punishments for draws. An ABA result is an X and a mission accomplished for team B in that they’ve managed to beat one of their opponents on track.


Confused? :confused: Never mind, that isn’t necessarily a handicap in this game. Besides, you can always ask for clarification, I’m more than happy to shed some light on the shadier rule peculiarities if need be.

As for scoring, points will be awarded for every correct answer (bet you didn’t see that one coming!) and since this is a betting inspired game, guessing an unlikely outcome right is worth more than being right about something “dead cert”. Instead of some fancy calculating odds stuff, the mark distribution of your guesses is used as an indicator of probability so that for each correct guess, your score will be 1 + the fraction of players that guessed wrong. An example is probably in order: suppose 50 % of you have picked 1, 40 % X and the remaining 10 % 2. If 1 is the correct guess, the clever 50 % will score 1 + 0.5 = 1.5 points. Similarly, if X is the way to go, the score will be 1 + 0.6 =1.6 points etcetera. Points will be added up throughout the season and the person who by the end of the season has amassed the highest points total will get his/her name carved alongside the reigning champion dnbn's on the figurative F1 Pools Championship Trophy. Plus the eternal bragging rights that go with it.

That's about it. I think. Now all you need to do is participate en masse and I'll be one happy camper. :)

Here are the duels for round 1:
[B][SIZE=3]F1 Pools 2005, Round 1: Australian GP, Melbourne:[/SIZE] 



Qualifying duels:				  Race duels: [/B]  

1   Ferrari - BAR			   7   Ferrari - BAR

2   Renault - Williams			 8   Renault - Williams

3   McLaren - Sauber			   9   McLaren - Sauber



4   Red Bull - Toyota			  10  Red Bull - Toyota

5   Jordan - Minardi			   11  Jordan - Minardi

6   Ferrari - Renault			  12  Ferrari - Renault


Deadline: anything that's posted and/or edited before the first qualifying session starts is OK.

The preferred format for the guesses is 122 XXX 12X XX1 but, basically, if it makes sense, it’s fine by me.
Posted ImageGood luck, everyone!Posted Image

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#2 Marcel Schot

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 15:42

:)

111 XX1 1X1 XXX

#3 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 16:04

111 X2X 1X1 121

:cool:

#4 Estwald

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 16:36

111 XXX 111 22X

#5 Crazy Canuck

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 17:13

X11 XXX 111 XXX

#6 Ric Bol

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 13:37

121 X11 XXX XXX

#7 Jimmino

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 14:45

XX1 X11 1XX X11

#8 Pioneer

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 19:11

111 X2X 1XX XX1

#9 Moanaman

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 06:09

XX1 11X XX2 X2X

#10 JulKeZ

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 10:04

111 11X 111 X1X

Good Luck to all!!

#11 Pine

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 10:52

X11 2XX 1X1 22X

Thanks for holding the game in 2005 too, kismet.

#12 Shadow

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 20:37

11X X11 11X 111

#13 scheivlak

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 22:09

111 21X 11X X1X

#14 Alapan

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 12:47

Yay - My favourite game from last year ...

My guesses:
XXX 2XX XXX XXX

#15 fisichella_2001

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 14:23

111 2X2 1XX 121

#16 kNt

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 15:11

1211X1 11X111

#17 philhitchings

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 18:44

I think I got it sussed looks like fun

1211X1 111XX1

good luck to everyone 6 DAYS TO GO!!!!!!

#18 Kub

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 21:33

111 112 1X1 XXX

#19 SkorbiF1

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 21:56

111 XXX X11 XX2

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#20 Gaffer Sports

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 11:51

X11 - X11 - 1X1 - X11

#21 Apex

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 15:05

X11 21X 111 X1X

#22 AussieF1

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 01:53

111 X11 XX1 X11

#23 D82

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 08:32

1X1 X11 1X1 2X1

#24 Halcyon9

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 09:13

X11 2XX X11 2X2

#25 Deeq

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 09:31

111 21X 111 21X

#26 QdfV

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 09:35

X11 2X2 111 21X

#27 Viss1

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 15:29

1X1 X11 1X1 X11

#28 Czesc

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 15:53

I sucked in this one last year. This year I'll suck even more...

X11 X1X 1XX 211

#29 LB

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 17:20

111 XX1 1X1 211

#30 Costaz

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 18:18

111 2XX XX1 XX2

#31 130R

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 19:10

1X1 XX1 1X1 XXX

#32 WillieF1

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 19:17

111 XX1 1XX XX1

#33 Schuting Star

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Posted 02 March 2005 - 20:34

X11 X1X XXX XX1

#34 Ventura

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 00:10

111 21X 1X1 X1X

#35 shays

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 00:22

1X1 X11 XX1 2X1

#36 Makarias

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 01:23

X11 212 111 21X

#37 Makarias

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 01:28

And AAAAH I am bugged by the logic of a race situation of ABA = X, changing IN FAVOUR of team A to AB = 1 if their second car would explode like a heavy thing dropped on Dresden!

#38 kismet

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 07:31

Originally posted by Makarias
And AAAAH I am bugged by the logic of a race situation of ABA = X, changing IN FAVOUR of team A to AB = 1 if their second car would explode like a heavy thing dropped on Dresden!

Logic schmogic, maybe I just like to work in mysterious ways. :p

Anyway, I don't think it's THAT illogical if you ignore how the result came about and just look at it as it is. Two survivors, only one winner. Three survivors, two people beat someone.

But I do realise this is a matter of opinion so, tell you what, how about I make a poll about this? Not now but when I post the round 1 results. And if enough people think "kismet, you nutter, what were you thinking, of course an AB finish should be an X", I'll change it. How does that sound? :)

#39 Al.

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 10:52

1X1 X1X 1X1 X1X

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#40 f1dave

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 13:51

111 XXX 111 2XX

#41 d_view7

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 14:10

X11 X12 1X1 X1X

#42 an1res

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 16:36

111 112 111 1X2

#43 DeathMasteR

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111 2X1 X11 XXX

#44 Makarias

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 23:25

Heh, it's not that I can't live with it, but I just have to bitch and moan about stuff once in a while.

#45 armonico

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 23:53

111 212 111 X12

#46 kismet

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Posted 04 March 2005 - 15:06

Bump bumpety bump. Better post my own guess before I forget:

1X1 X1X 111 X1X

#47 dnbn

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Posted 05 March 2005 - 00:18

111 XX2 111 X1X