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#1 WINO

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 22:25

In 1949 an Hungarian Count moves to Argentina to become a Porsche dealer. He enters races under the name Antonio von Dory and he dies in a Porsche RS-60 at Riverside in 1960. During the same period a gentleman by the name of "Fritz" d'Orey appears in various Grand Prix races, the last one being the U.S. Grand Prix at Sebring in 1959, in the Tec-Mec. After Riverside 1960 neither name appears in any race records.

Since I have noted von Dory's name also listed with the first name Anton and "Fritz" being a nickname often used for people of German descent, I wonder if these two identities are really one and the same. The reason why I bring this up is that in some books the names are treated as two different drivers. I always suspected that the Count was playing tricks wih his name. Anybody who can shed some light?

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#2 David Holland

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 22:40

These are two completely different guys, but have been confused in the past. Fritz d'Orey had a very serious accident at Le Mans at about the same time as your Hungarian driver was killed at Riverside and I believe the 2 were mixed up in some history books. It was widely quoted that d'Orey was dead but this was incorrect. In fact he lives on Copacabana Beach in Rio and has been interviewed in the last few years. I'm sure there was a transcript in Portuguese of that interview on atlas. I've read it somewhere on the web anyhow if it's not here.

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 23:54

David,

Thanks for the feedback. I just discovered that they HAVE to be two different people, as you say, as von Dory died at Riverside in April 1960 at the wheel of a Porsche RS-60 while d'Orey managed to get in the way of the Cunningham Jaguar E2A during Le Mans practice in June 1960, while drving a Serenissima 250GT. This must be the injury you were referring to.

I presume that von Dory was Argentinean while d'Orey was Brazilian.

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#4 Vitesse2

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 00:01

WINO: you might find this thread helpful -

http://forums.atlasf...&threadid=10680

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 00:16

Thanks Vitesse, this is most helpful.

As for the April 1960 Examiner GP at Riverside, there still seems to be confusion about who died at the wheel of that RS-60: Pedro or Antonio von Dory.

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#6 ReWind

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 21:24

Does this mean Antón von Döry aka Antonio von Dory died last summer (probably August 2004)?

And what had he to do with Puerto Rico?

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 15:15

And what had he to do with Puerto Rico?

Perhaps an explanation here:

ENDI > POR DENTRO
La riqueza de la edad de oro
La idea de vivir junto a personas de su misma edad puede resultar positiva
lunes, 14 de abril de 2003

Por Teresita Heydrich Blanco
Especial El Nuevo Día

Un grupo de amigos en la Egida La Merced juega bingo para entretenerse. Ricardo Ramírez Buxeda / El Nuevo Día
ES UN atardecer cualquiera y Antonio von Döry, de 87 años, se dispone a realizar una caminata alrededor del complejo residencial para personas de la tercera edad donde reside. No va solo, le acompaña su amigo Jesús Ananda Terán, de cinco años.
Ambos se enriquecen mutuamente, la sabiduría de von Döry aporta juego e imaginación a la inocencia de Terán.
El viejo le contará al niño sus historias de cómo sobrevivió milagrosamente a la Segunda Guerra Mundial, para luego emigrar desde su Alemania de origen a Argentina, y convertirse en piloto de carreras de auto. Llegó a competir contra el mítico Fangio.
Hasta que en 1965, un nuevo país lo acogió, Puerto Rico. Al morir su esposa en 1982, Antonio vivió solo, ya que sus dos hijos, nacidos también en Europa, hicieron sus respectivas vidas en el Viejo Continente. Ahora disfruta de un merecido retiro. Se fuma un cigarrillo de vez en cuando, no ha podido dejar el vicio, rememora viejos tiempos con todo el que se le cruza a su paso y comparte momentos importantes con amigos de siempre. Mientras tanto confiesa ser "feliz" viviendo en la Egida La Merced, que ocupa los antiguos predios del Colegio La Merced en la avenida Domenech de Hato Rey.
La Egida La Merced "es un complejo multifamiliar" para la tercera edad, tal y como lo define Sara Ríos, su administradora. El edificio sirve de residencia para 100 residentes, que ocupan sus 89 apartamentos.
"NO TENGO familia en Puerto Rico, pero estar aquí me da una sensación de seguridad. Saber que no estamos abandonados es importante para las personas de mi edad. También es fundamental no sentirse preso, aquí se ocupan de mí, me puedo mover y además me siento libre", expresa von Döry.
Sandra Chévere, trabajadora social de la Egida La Merced, reflexiona sobre la situación de los ciudadanos de la llamada edad de oro, en nuestros tiempos. "Muchos de los familiares no se ocupan de ellos. No los sacan a pasear, ni siquiera los visitan. Como consecuencia, viven en soledad, en aislamiento, y se deprimen", expone.
La idea de vivir en unas instalaciones residenciales junto a personas de su misma edad puede resultar positiva, según la trabajadora social. "Comparten, se ayudan unos a otros, socializan, se distraen, sin rechazo".
La Egida La Merced provee a sus residentes "las facilidades de su propio apartamento con su baño", explica Chévere, en costos que oscilan de $113 a $316 mensuales, descontando agua y luz. Para cualificar "se debe tener 60 años o más, valerse por sí mismo y tener un ingreso, en el caso de una persona, de $1,055 al mes, sin deducciones, y en el caso de dos personas, de $1,205 al mes sin deducciones. No hay que ser residente del área de Hato Rey", explica la administradora.
Chévere y Ríos organizan actividades recreativas para los residentes que incluyen la celebración del Día de las Madres y el de los Padres, Navidades, fiestas de cumpleaños, San Valentín "donde se elige al rey y la reina", cuenta Chévere, y noche de brujas "donde gana el mejor disfraz", cuenta.
RIOS INFORMA que "se está proyectando poner un centro de cuidado diurno para envejecientes, anexo a la Egida. Los fondos ya están asignados por OGAVE (Oficina de la Gobernadora para Asuntos de la Vejez)".
Al mismo tiempo, a la administradora le inquieta "la falta de visitas que reciben algunos residentes; los hijos deben entender que aunque sus padres están aquí no han dejado de existir. Al menos aquí son felices y eso me consta porque están entre gente de su misma edad".
"Lidiar con envejecientes no es fácil, hay que saber qué trato darles. Si sucede una situación, tenemos que estar preparadas para salir corriendo. Por eso, yo vengo a trabajar en ropa cómoda. No pasan más de dos días sin que yo pregunte por un residente que no veo", expresa Ríos.
Félix Ortiz, de 68 años, un residente no vidente de la Egida La Merced, afirma "sentirse muy seguro. Aquí me tratan como a todo el mundo, no me siento diferente".
"Cuando llegó aquí, lo estaban desalojando", cuenta Ríos.
"A veces salgo un ratito a las actividades y comparto", continúa Ortiz. "En este tipo de eventos uno se distrae" Ana Rosario, de 79 años, impedida, dice que vivir en la Egida "es muy bueno y me gusta esta zona, es tranquila".

Would someone who is capable of the Spanish language tell us if it is containing valuable info about Anton von Dory?

#8 eukie

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 12:25

Just came across an article in ADAC-Motorwelt 1950 on post-war motorcycle-racing in Argentina. It names some european immigrants who, according to that report, have innovated and dominated motorcycle-races there: Stefan Abt, Sepp Neubauer, Kurt Schröder, Adalbert Forrey, Stefan R. Martinez, and brothers Peter and Anton von Döry - the last one being the most outstanding and successful of them, especially reknown for his smooth style with his Velocette 350 cc and Triumph 500 cc.

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 15:02

Originally posted by ReWind
Perhaps an explanation [url="http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:-ZAE2maiAMQJ:<a%20href="http://www.endi.com/noticia.asp%3Fnewsid%3D29345+%22von+d%C3%B6ry%22&hl=de"%20target="_blank">www.endi.com/noticia.asp%3Fnewsid%3D29345+%22von+d%C3%B6ry%22&hl=de</a>"]here[/url]: Would someone who is capable of the Spanish language tell us if it is containing valuable info about Anton von Dory?

ReWind,

I've just found your enquiry:

The text in Spanish says that Anton was born in Germany, emigrated to Argentina after the 2nd WW and became racing driver. His two sons were born and live in Europe and his wife died back in 1982. He lives in Puerto Rico from 1965 and was 87 y.o. when this article was published (April 14th, 2003).


Carles.

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 16:45

Originally posted by jarama


ReWind,

I've just found your enquiry:

The text in Spanish says that Anton was born in Germany, emigrated to Argentina after the 2nd WW and became racing driver. His two sons were born and live in Europe and his wife died back in 1982. He lives in Puerto Rico from 1965 and was 87 y.o. when this article was published (April 14th, 2003).


Carles.


Whereas the Motorwelt-feature from 1950 states that the Von Döry-brothers were Austrians ...

#11 WINO

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 17:16

A new riddle: Hungarian, Austrian or German. Which nationality is likely to have moved to South America after the war?


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#12 Jim Thurman

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 22:15

Originally posted by WINO
A new riddle: Hungarian, Austrian or German. Which nationality is likely to have moved to South America after the war?


California Death Records list von Dory as born in Hungary.

#13 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 19:29

Originally posted by Jim Thurman


California Death Records list von Dory as born in Hungary.


But he didn't die in California. :confused:

Born in Germany, but of Hungarian citizenship initially - also remember that when von Dory was born, he was born in the dying days of Austrian-Hungarian empire.

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Posted 17 November 2006 - 20:40

Originally posted by WINO
A new riddle: Hungarian, Austrian or German. Which nationality is likely to have moved to South America after the war?


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Is this question with 'agenda'? All three nations quite likely- South Africa was coveted destination for people from 'Axis countries' (Hungary had Nazi regime too- we call them 'Arrow crosses')... My compatriots had been emmigrating there from way earlier (most notably Puenta Arenas in Tierra del Fuego), but again quite a number of ppl from our Nazi regime fled there (but to be fair, a number of people fleeing Communists as well).

#15 Jim Thurman

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 04:55

Originally posted by Richie Jenkins


But he didn't die in California. :confused:

Born in Germany, but of Hungarian citizenship initially - also remember that when von Dory was born, he was born in the dying days of Austrian-Hungarian empire.


Ah, I see the confusion...which I greatly contributed to.

I was referring to Pedro von Dory, who died at Riverside International Raceway in an accident in April 1960 (see first post in thread, though that might make it more confusing).

Perhaps I should amend my old post to reflect that I was referring to Pedro and not Anton. Which of course was caused by my poor choice of quoting a post about Anton.

Good point about the Austro-Hungary empire, but I just put down what it gave in the California Death Index (for Pedro). I'll let everyone else sort out the exacts on that one.

#16 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 10:35

Ah right.
Just to clear it all up for everyone, Antonio von Dory died in Puerto Rico and was the one born in Germany.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 16:18

His name is Anton von Döry, not Antonio and the one who died in the car accident was his brother Pedro. I'm his granddaughter. And yes he was German, my grandmother was the Hungarian. In the article says that was alone in Puerto Rico and that is also not true. My father and uncle also live in Puerto Rico.

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 08:34

Unfortunately this a most typical East European problem.I know person like that who lived for all of them in a village and at least six were different citizens in the twentieth century.I saw Döry name in much old Hungarian newspaper than competitor the 30s years,but maybe from this direction pnegyesi would be able to tell a story better...

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 09:34

@heidi2985:
You call your grand-uncle Pedro. Did he actually change his name? I ask because I suspect his given name was Peter.

Would you tell us in which place(s) Anton and Peter von Döry were born?

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 10:56

I searching a genealogy and I find this:

jobaházai Dőry Antal(Antal Dőry of Jobaháza) was born in Budapest 31.7.1916 married with Piroska Széplaki.He had got more three brothers:Gyula,Béla and youngest Péter(Peter) who was born in Pusztaszentkereszt 22.7.1918, +Sebrin, USA 4.4.1960
Antal has got two sons Peter(b. in 1944) and Antal(b. in 1946)
The family lived in western Hungary Zomba village near Szekszárd,later moved to Budapest
Pusztaszentkereszt near Keresztur(former Bars county)-today is Hostie village in Slovakia

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 16:56

I searching a genealogy and I find this:

jobaházai Dőry Antal(Antal Dőry of Jobaháza) was born in Budapest 31.7.1916 married with Piroska Széplaki.He had got more three brothers:Gyula,Béla and youngest Péter(Peter) who was born in Pusztaszentkereszt 22.7.1918, +Sebrin, USA 4.4.1960
Antal has got two sons Peter(b. in 1944) and Antal(b. in 1946)
The family lived in western Hungary Zomba village near Szekszárd,later moved to Budapest
Pusztaszentkereszt near Keresztur(former Bars county)-today is Hostie village in Slovakia


Thank you, Richard (and Reinhard for asking).

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 19:10

Is this question with 'agenda'? All three nations quite likely- South Africa was coveted destination for people from 'Axis countries' (Hungary had Nazi regime too- we call them 'Arrow crosses')... My compatriots had been emmigrating there from way earlier (most notably Puenta Arenas in Tierra del Fuego), but again quite a number of ppl from our Nazi regime fled there (but to be fair, a number of people fleeing Communists as well).


I do not have too much information unfortunately from a Dőry family after the war,but I am sure of it quasi,how they did not have Nazi past.The rest of the family's members lived on Budapest keep moving.Presumably because of the communist regime and/or a right in the hope of a life they went into South America.(Similar the story for example in Sándor Wilheim case who would have loved in this time to enter sporting event onto Indy 500-but this was worth a suicide in this time.)The Hungarian nobiliary families' majority was due similarly unfortunately-i know because my family got its share of a similar fate.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:55

Well Pedro is in spanish, his birth name was Peter.  Peter and my grandfather Anton were of German descent, but they were born in Hungary.  My grandmother's name was Piroska Kovacs not Piroska Széplaki.  Well they came to Puerto Rico because things were not going well in Argentina, so they decided to move the business here.  MY grandfather was the one who introduced Porsche, Volvo and NSU in Puerto Rico.



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