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#151 gbl

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 19:00

Douh, so I change it back, it is still called Walker Racing with Team Australia the sponsorname :drunk: like Team Motorola... I think I also have to change UNO/Granatelli. The 1991 Indy trackside report still calls the team Vince Granatelli Racing end the entry UNO/Granatelli.

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#152 malvi

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 19:03

HBK Racing - Hall brothers Bob&Bill put together 11th hour operation for Tom Bigelow at Indy 82.
They purchased 81 Eagle from Ray W.Lipper (ex 81 Mosley`s Indy 500 car).

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 19:23

Hey I was just working on that... Ray Lipper DNQ'd the car at Phoenix - so that was still his own car - a plain white Eagle. Ray Lipper as a car owner only appeared in Long Beach 1984 and HBK fielded a car in 1982 and 1983 if I have everything together.

#154 brickyard

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 19:53

CART/Men and Machines of Indy Car Racing 1988-89: p. 77, the only photo of the car I've ever seen. Head-on shot, looks like Mid-Ohio. Front wings say KargoStopper, rear wing says Pacific-Summit.



Any chance we could see that photo? :cool:

#155 malvi

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 21:45

Ray Lipper was founder and owner of Centerline Wheels - rich guy with questionable indy racing skills.
At Phoenix 82 he smashed into Phil Kruegers self-built car.
story according G.Kirby...
"Krueger spent the winter building this car out of old McLaren and Penske(Hunt`s Crysen Corp PC5)pieces only to destroy the car at the Phoenix season-opener when he was hit by Ray Lippers out of control Eagle"

#156 malvi

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 21:58

Forsythe`s partner in 82 was Garvin Brown-the Jack Daniels magnate.

#157 malvi

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 08:48

Red Roof Inns 1985 - definitely Truesports entry.Jim Trueman run Bobby Rahal in 85(Budweiser) and prepared second car for Heimrath in Mid-Ohio.
Jim Trueman was founder and president of Red Roof Inns - largest privately owned and operated budget hotel chain in the United States at the time.(source: Cart media guide 86).


I did not mention before-Trueman was Mid-Ohio road course owner at the time too.
Thats the reason,I think,to run a second car there.

#158 TheStranger

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 10:08

Originally posted by malvi
Red Roof Inns 1985 - definitely Truesports entry.Jim Trueman run Bobby Rahal in 85(Budweiser) and prepared second car for Heimrath in Mid-Ohio.
Jim Trueman was founder and president of Red Roof Inns - largest privately owned and operated budget hotel chain in the United States at the time.(source: Cart media guide 86).


I did not mention before-Trueman was Mid-Ohio road course owner at the time too.
Thats the reason,I think,to run a second car there.


His daughter actually still owns the track, come to think of it...

#159 FLB

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 19:15

Originally posted by brickyard

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ProFormance Motorsports - owners John Dick&Tim Duke
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The Canadian Tire team listed for 1984 in the diagram was actually Pro-Formance Group, from Toronto
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Two different teams sharing the same name... or not?


I wish I had a more definitive answer... :(

The notes I have for Villeneuve's 1984 Indy 500 effort mentions the entrant as Pro-Formance Engineering Group, headed by David Billis.

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#160 malvi

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 17:30

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Copyright "Men and Machines of Indy Car Racing 1988-1989"

#161 malvi

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 18:14

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Tom Gloy-it is California or Michigan(PC7)
source:PPG Indycar World series 1981 by G.Kirby

#162 malvi

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 18:55

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Davis owned Martin car DNQ at indy 80
What kind of Wildcat it is (Mk1 or Mk2)???
My money on Mk1...
source: Hungness Indy Yearbook 1980 pg95
I hope i didn`t broke any copyryght rules - let me know if i did.
More tomorrow,if anybody interested.
It`s friday night...

#163 brickyard

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 19:56

Thank you for the great pictures Malvi. Keep them comming, I think you're not violating anything.

Davis owned Martin car DNQ at indy 80
What kind of Wildcat it is (Mk1 or Mk2)???
My money on Mk1...
source: Hungness Indy Yearbook 1980 pg95



Not so sure about being a MK1 ...
Allen, are you still with us? What do you think?
Could this be an MK 3 instead?
This one is missing from the Wildcat thread we developed some time ago?

#164 gbl

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 21:00

Whow, great pictures :wave:
Yes, that's a Mk.III (with a DGS according to the trackside report).

#165 malvi

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 22:13

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The same car???
Ragers Wildcat Mk III
source: Hungness 500 Yearbook 1980

#166 malvi

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 22:24

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Some definitely Wildcat Mk1 images

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Source: Kirby`s 1981 Indy Car Yearbook

#167 malvi

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 22:38

I forgot...
The 1st Larry Cannon image is Indy 500 1980.
The second one is ??? - not Indy,i guess...

#168 malvi

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 22:48

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The second Cannon`s 1980 car , but where????
source:1981 Kirbys Indy Car yearbook.

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 07:12

Roger Rager had the second Mk.III - the car that once had the bus engine, but now with a different front wing. The second Cannon picture could be from Phoenix - at least a short oval with the rear wing setting. The last picture is a Mk.II.

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 10:39

The last picture is a Mk.II.

Definitely it is, but where Cannon run Mk2 in 1980???
When he got/bought it???
What the history of that car???
At least-i think, it`s happened after indy(Cannon was there with one Mk1 with well known history).
Martin`s and RagerĀ“s cars are quite similar - i agree-it could be Mk3.
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Rager In Mexico.

#171 malvi

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 10:51

Some unusual things from 1980.
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Tempero in Indy practice.
source Hungness 1980 yearbook.
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Muniz in Mexico.
source Kirby`s Indy Car Yearbook 1981.

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 12:52

:clap: Whow, never thought, I'd see Mexico City pictures

OK:

-the Rager / Indianapolis picture has to be from 1981, in 1980 he had a white / red car.
-the Tempero picture is not working.
-the Kraco Mk.II could be from Mexico, since the pits are on the right, you can guess the Wayne Woodward #81 in the background
-I knew that Muniz bough a car from Patrick - now we know that it was Gordy's :) (don't know if Patrick still owned that entry.


I've been busy, too. I've pretty much completed everything I know so far, but that changes with every new picture :)


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#173 malvi

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 12:55

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 13:04

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Alsup in ??? 1980
source Kirby`s Indy car Yearbook 1981
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Caliva in ??? 1980
source - same
Exellent work gbl!!!

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 13:07

-the Kraco Mk.II could be from Mexico, since the pits are on the right, you can guess the Wayne Woodward #81 in the background
You can see also Wally Dallenbach walking there,behind Cannons Mk2...

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 17:22

That Caliva picture (a McLaren) is from Lexington, off course.
Bill Alsup is in a 1979 Penske.
The Tempero car just looks like the ex Fletcher-ex-Gehlhausen Eagle 74-76.

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 21:32

Some little additions...
Mountain Computer - sponsor of J.P. Racing(I do not know what that means) runs Spike Gehlhausen in 1986.
J.P. Racing owner was C.R.Possell(He entered Gehlhausen to 87 Indy too, but had problems with sponsorship and sold the car to ARS-Johncock`s backup).
Team ARS(American Racing Series)-Buick powered Indy 500 entry provided by ARS chairman Pat Patrick as a reward for the 86 series point champion.( But Barbazza had already deal with Arciero).
The second choice was Buick test driver Crawford - crashed badly and finally Gordy(with STP sponsorship) took the ride.

#178 malvi

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Posted 03 April 2005 - 09:12

Some1980 indy DNQ-rs
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Harkey`s The Canadian I McLaren-Offy
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Roger Mears in Grant Kings Kingfish-Chevy
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Loquasto`s Lightning-Offy owned by Pacific Coast racing
All images from 1980 Hungness Yearbook

#179 malvi

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Posted 03 April 2005 - 10:50

Some 1981 Indy 500 DNQ-rs
Krueger in Hunts Eagle-Chevy(74-type)???
source 81 Hungness Yearbook

Edited by malvi, 13 April 2011 - 11:07.


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#180 malvi

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Posted 03 April 2005 - 11:19

-the Kraco Mk.II could be from Mexico, since the pits are on the right, you can guess the Wayne Woodward #81 in the background
You can see also Wally Dallenbach walking there,behind Cannons Mk2...

Driver behind Dallenbach looks like Jim McElreath for me,with his #16 Eagle.

#181 gbl

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Posted 03 April 2005 - 18:01

Al Loquasto: ex Patrick Santello Lightning 77
Roger Mears: Kingfish 73
Bob Harkey: McLaren M16, entered by Buddy Boys Racing
Phil Krueger: the Eagle 74 he crashed later
Bob Frey: Eagle 72, unknown owner

Can you read the Number 16? I think it's an error in the Phil Harmes data and should be #26.

#182 malvi

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Posted 03 April 2005 - 19:00

Can you read the Number 16? I think it's an error in the Phil Harmes data and should be #26.
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You are probably right.

#183 Falcadore

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 13:23

Originally posted by theunions
Actually Darin came from sports cars - I don't remember him doing much of that if at all afterwards.

Regarding the Walker Racing/Team Australia relationship, this was in the Walker press release I just received:


In the same story it describes how Walker thinks Gore and Fish will bring unique business skills to the team. While Fish is new to the game, Gore is certainly unique. From our experience here since he created his V8Supercar team, he speaks like an 80's Eddie Murphy script, is erratic, quick to blame people, is a reporters gold mine for quotes, a PR nightmare and is likely to have either Tagliani or Marshall sacked by July, with the other following in September.

Yep certainly unique skills :)

#184 malvi

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 19:48

[Saldana 81 Lightning-Cosworth
source 81 Hungness yearbook

Edited by malvi, 13 April 2011 - 11:08.


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Posted 04 April 2005 - 19:52

LA Drywall-Ferguson 88
source Men&Machines of Indy Car Racing 1988-1989

Edited by malvi, 13 April 2011 - 11:08.


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Posted 04 April 2005 - 20:22

Mahler, PC6? - Yes
Tempero, McLaren - Yes, a M24
Saldana - Hoffman car with modified sidepods

they have another picture of that car on their webpage, but the results never mentioned any Kraco sponsorship:

http://www.hoffmanra.....y Archive.htm


That Ferguson car has a strange paintjob, never seen this on a race car before - good to read the team owner :)

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 16:04

Originally posted by theunions
Actually Darin came from sports cars - I don't remember him doing much of that if at all afterwards.

Regarding the Walker Racing/Team Australia relationship, this was in the Walker press release I just received:


A WPS spokesman on behalf of Craig Gore as since reiterated that Walker is a minority partner.

Oh dear. Who owns what exactly?

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 16:48

I found a little bit of info in the National Speed Sport News race coverage. In the notes for Mid-Ohio is this short item:

"Giuppona Franca, a Brazilian, failed to qualify for his first CART race in a 1985 March for GF Racing."

Can anyone confirm the spelling of his first name? I would guess Giupponi as in the CART yearbook, NSSN had a tendency to botch foreign names, but it's always good to double check. From the qualifying report for the season-ending race at Miami:

"One driver failed to make the field. Newcomer Jose Romano in an '85 March could not make the 115 percent cutoff."

Pole time was 55.062 seconds, which means the cutoff was 1:03.321. Don't have more complete info such as car number or engine (likely a Cosworth but I have no way of comfirming it). But at least now we know where they showed up.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 10:02

Not a single reference to this team at motorracing-world.co.uk/cart either... :confused:

#190 brickyard

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 15:19

:confused:

I have the 1989 CART Media Guide, and in the 1988 season results, there's no mention at all of such Team.

Does anyone could search any references on '88 Autosport magazines? (unfortunately I've started my collection in 1989)

On the official Champ Car web site, this team doesn't appear too.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 01:25

I've got the '89 media guide, too. One thing I've discovered is that DNQ infomation for older CART races is somewhat spotty. Sometimes it got reported well, sometimes it got ignored. I think the only way to be 100% sure of all the non-qualifiers would be if someone had access to the official entry lists and time sheets for every session throughout the years. I keep finding little oddball bits like this one popping up. Also, the official Champ Car web site only lists those drivers who actually started a race, so these two drivers won't be found.

#192 brickyard

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 20:01

I think the only way to be 100% sure of all the non-qualifiers would be if someone had access to the official entry lists and time sheets for every session throughout the years.



Could't agee more. But Where are those entry lists?

Also, the official Champ Car web site only lists those drivers who actually started a race, so these two drivers won't be found.



Same for the Teams.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 21:16

Doesn't Wayne O'Donnell's CART World website (though based on Phil Harms's old data) have a comprehensive list of teams, etc.?

http://www.motorraci...orld.co.uk/cart

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 22:04

Romano and Franca got listed in the On Track CART 1988 seaon review in the 12 December 1988 issue. Romano is listed as having a March 85C Cosworth and not qualifying for the round at Elkhart Lake, while Franca is listed as NQ for Mid-Ohio and Laguna Seca. The RA report of the race in the 3 October issue, page 16 thru 21. The team is mentioned as an item in a sidebar on page 20. Their effort to also qualify at Mid-Ohio is mentioned. The Mid-Ohio race is in the 19 September issue, once again being mentioned in an item in the notebook sidebar.

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 16:48

Chris, scroll up ;)

I already looked there to no avail.

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 20:38

This simply illustrates the problems of being too dependent upon what is produced and then consumed as stats or race date. If you don't take the time to read the small print and the sidebars, things get lost. I don't have immediate access to the issues of Indy Car Racing for that year, but there is probably some more on GF racing in their race articles and supporting materials.

#197 gbl

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Posted 09 April 2005 - 21:26

Any information on the car number?

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 18:41

Any pictures of that car?

#199 malvi

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 13:30

ProFormance Motorsports - owners John Dick&Tim Duke
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The Canadian Tire team listed for 1984 in the diagram was actually Pro-Formance Group, from Toronto
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Two different teams sharing the same name... or not?

To be correct-the real Canadian Tire team name was Performance Engineering (source Indycar Racing Magazine-oct 1984)

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 15:31

Chandlers car owner in 1982 Indy (Freeman/Gurney Eagle) was West Coast businessman Bill Freeman(Gurney come to help Freeman after his own car-AAR`s Mosley#48 failed to qualify).
Freeman put his #68Eagle-Chevy up for sale in 1983 and enticed former California Lieutenant Governor Mike Curb and J.C. Agajanian to form a sponsorship package for Rattlesnake Racing(Chandler 16th place at Indy).
(source: Hungness yearbooks 82&83).