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#2401 B Squared

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 01:24

I was going through magazines and I came across this Automotive Industries magazine from May 1, 1967. I'd forgotten that Jim Clark had turned laps in the 1967 version of the turbine.

 

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#2402 B Squared

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 13:11

Former Indy "500" entrant Kjell Qvale passes at age 94. from Racer:

http://www.racer.com...article/319445/

#2403 RA Historian

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 15:03

Kjell Qvale was a giant in US racing, especially on the west coast. He entered the Cooper T-54 in the 1963 500 with Pedro Rodriguez driving. The car was powered at that time by a six cylinder Aston Martin engine. It did not qualify.In 1964 he entered the BMC MK IX Indy cars, more commonly known by their sponsor name, MG Liquid Suspension Special.

 

Qvale also built other race cars under the BMC name. Mk I, Mk II, Mk III were all Formula Juniors. Mk IV, Mk V, Mk VIII, Mk X, and Mk XI were various iterations of the Genie sports racing car.. Jensen cars, Qvale Mangustas, and so on came out of his shops. Many production race car winners were entered by him. A good man, a long life, and many accomplishments to be celebrated. 94 years was a good long run.



#2404 HistoryFan

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:25

I'm doing a research about car owners in the Indy-500. 1950 Ervin Wolfe entered a car for Joie Chitwood/Tony bettenhauser) but I can's find anything about Wolfe. Can anyone help?



#2405 Tim Murray

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:42

Several mentions on this site, including:

 

http://www.danleyclow.com/page08midgets.html

 

http://www.danleyclow.com/page15mrandmrswolfe.html

 



#2406 HistoryFan

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 13:41

Thanks for that. Another question: What was the season with the most former F1 drivers?



#2407 D-Type

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 19:15

Thanks for that. Another question: What was the season with the most former F1 drivers?

Which do you suggest?  What is the most that you have found?



#2408 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 20:37

http://www.champcarstats.com



#2409 427MkIV

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 21:59

From rateus' link, I saw an image of Michael Andretti and his winners paycheck from Long Beach 1986. $86,160. How much does an Indycar race winner receive now?  $35,000 plus the TEAM $60,000?



#2410 HistoryFan

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 22:24

Which do you suggest?  What is the most that you have found?

 

If I would go it year-by-year, I need many hours, if someone has a list of that question it costs her/him 20 seconds, so I don't see the problem to ask here. If nobody has such a list, I will go year-by-year. 



#2411 David McKinney

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:03

Perhaps other members would be happier if you made that clear when asking your questions

#2412 Allen Brown

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 17:48

Also, could I suggest that when you do go through year-by-year, publish your discoveries here?  The more you give TNF, the more TNF gives back.



#2413 HistoryFan

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 21:24

of course, I will. 



#2414 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 17:29

We had six former F1 drivers in 2012:

 

Barrichello, Sato, Wilson, Bourdais, Pantano and Alesi



#2415 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 17:36

8 in 2006 when we count both series:

 

Wilson, Da Matta, Pizzonia, Cheever, Andretti, Papis, Moreno, Enge 



#2416 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 17:46

10 in 2002

 

Fittipaldi, Andretti, Takagi, Nakano, Papis, Cheever, Boesel, Salazar, Noda, Herbert



#2417 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 17:50

13 in 2001

 

Andretti, Papis, Moreno, Fittipaldi, Takagi, Zanardi, Gugelmin, Nakano, Salazar, Cheever,Boesel, Guerrero, Herbert



#2418 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 17:55

14 in 1999

 

Cheever, Salazar, Boesel, Moreno, Guerrero, Andretti, Papis, Fittipaldi, Gugelmin, Blundell, Magnussen, Marques, Montermini, Hattori 



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Posted 10 November 2013 - 18:03

15 in 1996

 

Guerrero, Alboreto, Cheever,Salazar, Andretti,Zanardi, Fittipaldi, Gugelmin, Blundell, E. Fittipaldi, Moreno, Boesel, Magnussen, Papis, Fabi



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#2420 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 18:12

18 in 1993

 

Mansell, Fittipaldi, Boesel, Andretti, Fabi, Sullivan, Johansson, Guerrero, Cheever, Grouillard, Danner, Gachot, Gugelmin, Crawford, Brabham, Chiesa, Piquet, Foyt 



#2421 D-Type

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 20:20

Ahem!  Foyt never raced in F1 -  Le Mans and Sebring in sports cars, but never in F1.



#2422 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 20:52

1971 Questor GP - an F1 race that also admitted F5000 cars (Foyt drove a McLaren M10B). It's a moot point whether or not this makes him an F1 driver.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 21:41

1971 Questor GP - an F1 race that also admitted F5000 cars (Foyt drove a McLaren M10B). It's a moot point whether or not this makes him an F1 driver.


Was it a F1 race? Or a F1 v F5000 race? If the latter, Foyt definitely wasn't a F1 driver.

BTW, was this the race where he deliberately broke his car because it wasn't quick enough ?

#2424 D-Type

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 21:56

Wasn't the Questor GP for cars complying with US Formula A which permitted 5 litre production engines or 3 litre racing engines, rather than for Formula 5000 and Formula One as seperate entities?



#2425 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 22:08

No, it was a genuine F1 race. The aim was to earn the right to run a full World Championship race the following year by first running a non-championship race, as one had to do in those days. However, after the organisers ran into financial difficulties the championship race never materialised.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 22:46

Was it? This official poster bills it as "International challenge Formula 1 vs Formula A" which technically makes it a Formule Libre race even if it was being run to demonstrate the organisers' capability to run a World Championship race.


Edited by D-Type, 10 November 2013 - 22:52.


#2427 Jim Thurman

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 22:59

Was it? This official poster bills it as "International challenge Formula 1 vs Formula A" which technically makes it a Formule Libre race even if it was being run to demonstrate the organisers' capability to run a World Championship race.

 

Well, it's often listed as a "Non-championship" F1 race.  For one, Anthony Pritchard considered it such.



#2428 Jim Thurman

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 23:03

Was it a F1 race? Or a F1 v F5000 race? If the latter, Foyt definitely wasn't a F1 driver.

BTW, was this the race where he deliberately broke his car because it wasn't quick enough ?

 

Yes...allegedly.



#2429 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 23:15

Well, it's often listed as a "Non-championship" F1 race. For one, Anthony Pritchard considered it such.


So too do the 'Black Books', which also list as F1 races all the other non-championship events in which F5000 cars were allowed to participate.

#2430 Allen Brown

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 23:32

So too do the 'Black Books', which also list as F1 races all the other non-championship events in which F5000 cars were allowed to participate.


They do that with all races with a class for F1 cars. The race was not specifically for F1s and Foyt wasn't in a F1 car so I can't agree that this makes him a F1 driver.

#2431 Rob G

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:34

And needless to say (but I'll say it anyway), the late '50s Indy 500s were World Championship races but not F1 races.



#2432 HistoryFan

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:44

Okay, but I mean WC races, so I also count the 50-60s Indy-500.

 

I cannot found more than that 18 drivers...



#2433 427MkIV

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 15:09

Up to 1998, what about Bobby Rahal? He raced in the 1978 US and Canadian Grands Prix.



#2434 D-Type

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 16:01

Going a bit earlier:

 

1 in 1952 - Ascari

2 in 1960 - Ward, Ruttman, who had both driven in a single [Championship] GP

3 in 1961 - Brabham, Ward, Ruttman

4 in 1963 - Clark, Gurney, Ward?, Ruttman?

and the rest of the sixties when several GP regulars went to Indy

 

And if you go pre-WW1 and in the interwar years you will find examples of grand prix drivers racing at Indianapolis and Indianapolis drivers competing in grands prix

 

HistoryFan, when you compile your list I think you may need to split it into ex-GP drivers, current GP drivers and future GP drivers - depending on the purpose of your list.


Edited by D-Type, 11 November 2013 - 16:08.


#2435 HistoryFan

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 20:43

I counted the ex GP drivers. 



#2436 B Squared

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 13:54

I remember my Dad being very saddened 49 years ago today upon hearing the news of Bobby Marshman's passing from his testing accident injuries. Thinking of Bob and his family, as always.

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Bobby with friend and 1961 Indy 500 co-Rookie of the Year, Parnelli Jones.

Robin Miller wrote the following in his November 13 Q & A at Racer. It's neat to see that he is still fondly remembered by others.

Q: I recently saw a list of the top winning drivers in IndyCar history. All the names on the list are familiar to fans like, Foyt, the Andrettis, the Unsers, Dixon, Franchitti, Rutherford, etc. I was wondering if you know some drivers who might have made the Top 20 list, but their careers were cut short through death, injury or just never got the chance to drive with the elite teams.

Gerry Courtney, San Francisco, Calif.

RM: Greg Moore already had five wins and had just signed with Roger Penske when he lost his life in 1999, so he would have definitely been right up there with Dario and Dixie. And Bobby Marshman only visited victory lane once before being killed in 1964. They were both destined for greatness. And guys like Mike Nazaruk and Jim Packard looked like future badasses before being cut down.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 16:41

Gordon Kirby talks with Jim McGee about his forthcoming new book from Racemaker Press, " Jim McGee; Five Decades of Indy Car Wins"

 

http://www.gordonkir...t_is_no417.html



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 15:50

Robin Miller remembers Frank Weiss. I met Mr. Weiss at his home about 10 years ago when he hosted a going away gathering/Christmas party for engine guru and late friend Jim Wright and his wife Lynn. A. J. Watson, Mike and wife Wanda (Unser) Devin were also there, as was Eldon Rasmussen. All have helped with projects over the last 20 years and we are very appreciative for that. RIP Mr. Weiss.

http://www.racer.com...r-say-die-racer

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 15:55

Sad news.



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 10:19

Ganassi perhaps will enter a fifth car in this year's Indy-500. That must be a record. Can anyone tell me the most entries from the current teams in Indy-500 history? Andretti had five entries last year as well...



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 10:31

You say your question is confined to current teams only.  Knowing the American liking for statistics and statistical records I am sure that there is a plethora of websites listing the full entry for recent 500's.  Why don't you do the leg work and try a couple of searches for something like "Andretti AND Ganassi AND Indianapolis".  Then let us know what you have found and see if people can confirm your answer or can come up with a higher one.



#2442 Rob G

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 14:27

You'll have to determine whether spare cars are considered separate entries. Up until recently, spares were given unique race numbers (as opposed to something like 20 for the race car and 20T for the spare), and sometimes those spares were filled by drivers who signed on during the month of May.

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 14:52

Ganassi perhaps will enter a fifth car in this year's Indy-500. That must be a record.

 

Not even close. Durant entered eight cars in 1923, and no spare cars back then! Also, STP/Granatelli had many multi-car entries in the sixties/seventies that easily exceeded five.



#2444 Rob G

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 16:25

Not even close. Durant entered eight cars in 1923, and no spare cars back then!


All eight qualified, and since only 24 cars made the race that year, exactly one-third of the field were entered by Durant!

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 17:14

I meant a Ganassi record.

 

The records I found:

Ganassi: 4 cars (2012)

Penske: ??? (3 cars?)

Andretti: 5 cars (2013)

KV: 3 cars (2012)

Dale Coyne: 3 cars (2013)

Foyt: ???

Herta: 1 car (2010-2013)

Carpenter: 1 car (2012/2013)

Panther: ??? (3 cars?)

Rahal Letterman Lanigan: 3 cars (2005/2006/2013)

Fisher Hartmann: 2 cars (2011/2012)

Schmidt Peterson: 3 cars (2013)

 

Can anyone complete that list?



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Posted 17 February 2014 - 04:43

I found a round black disc with a hole in the middle, is this a record?

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 05:43

Penske entered 9 cars to 1992 Indy 500 (4,4T,5,5T,7,7T,35,53,54) - this should be record of CART and late USAC(1972-1979) era. Foyt entered regulary 5 cars in 80s-90s - not sure about IRL years.



#2448 HistoryFan

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:02

Okay perhaps I should ask it in other way: Which team entered the most drivers.

Penske just had four drivers entered in 1992: Tracy, Fittipaldi, Mears and Bettenhauser jr.

 

Has anyone a source where I can find all Indy-500 entry lists with teams? The most entry lists I know just list up driver/sponsor/car.



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Posted 17 February 2014 - 10:48

Dick Simon had 6 drivers at Indy 1994: Raul Boesel, Hiro Matsushita, Lyn St James, Marco Greco, Dennis Vitolo and Hideshi Matsuda. This might be record of the last 40 years.

Sherman Armstrong in 1980 also  comes to my mind - he entered 5 drivers to 500: Tom Bigelow, Howdy Holmes, Jerry Sneva, Greg Leffler and Gary Bettenhausen. All drivers except Holmes made a field.

I`m not sure again about IRL years but Team Scandia in 1997 entered 5 drivers as well: Fermin Velez, Marco Greco, Vincenzo Sospiri, Eliseo Salazar and Alessandro Zampedri. All guys made the field.


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#2450 HistoryFan

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 13:24

Thank you :clap: