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#351 arttidesco

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 20:22

Though I know the last US owner of 30/05, I do not know the present caretaker.
-Chad


A car with that number is in the UK with John Bladon


Does John Bladon have more than one M1 ?

He is shown on the Bruce-McLaren.com as having the Dick Macon car, M1A-20-07 according to racing sports cars.com

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If he does have more than one does anyone know which one he drove at Goodwood a couple of years ago ?

Relevant answers maybe credited and used in a forthcoming blog.

Thanking you in anticipation of your responses.

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#352 David McKinney

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 21:14

I believe he also has (or had) 20-15

#353 arttidesco

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 06:31

I believe he also has (or had) 20-15


Thanks David :up:

#354 RA Historian

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 13:27

He also has 20-05, which is a reconstruction of the car that Augie Pabst had burn to the ground at Mosport in Sept., 1965. The charred remains were in the garage of Bill Schley for decades until purchased a number of years ago and rebuilt around what was left.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 00:34

Thanks for your help with today's blog David and Tom, John Bladon has been in touch, turns out he has four M1's and the one I asked about is ex Joe Starkey 20-15 :cool:

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:46

Thanks for your help with today's blog David and Tom, John Bladon has been in touch, turns out he has four M1's and the one I asked about is ex Joe Starkey 20-15 :cool:


Correction John has owned five M1's over the last decade as follows :-

M1a
20-05 Augie Pabst I bought as complete burn out sold Harms Winter Ger.
20-07 Dick Macon Bought in US and sold to David Jacobs now back in US
20-15 Joe Starkey retained

M1b
30-05 Bud Morley sold to Laurie Bennett Australia
30-23 Dave Causey sold to Roger Wills

Apologies for the initial misunderstanding.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 11:32

Just trying to cross the odd T and dot the odd i on my M8C/D 30-25 enquiries and wondering if anyone has heard or seen anything of M1B 30-25 ?

M1B 30-25 is listed on this link but without any further details.

I know of course the M1 is tube frame and the M6 monocoque construction so the models cannot be confused  ;)

#358 Duc-Man

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 13:52

I saw this Augie Pabst replica at the Nürburgring last weekend.

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On the tail it says prepared by TI(?) Motors Racing LTD.
The drivers for the car on the entrylist were (I think) Harms Winter and Albrecht Haase from Hamburg.

Does anybody know something about the history of this car? Also chassis number?


#359 RA Historian

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 15:44

The Augie Pabst McLaren was M1A-20-05.

In 1964 the Robert Bosch Corp sponsored a pair of Elva Porsches in US racing for Bill Wuesthoff and Joe Buzzetta. Wuesthoff won the USRRC Under Two Liter Championship and was second overall in points, behind Jim Hall. After that, Wuesthoff retired from racing. Bosch was pleased with the results of its 1964 sponsorship, and wanted to continue with two cars in 1965. They continued to sponsor Buzzetta in his Elva Porsche, and signed Augie Pabst to drive in the over two liter division with their sponsorship. Pabst ordered a new McLaren with an aluminum Oldsmobile engine. The car was supposed to be ready early in the year, but delay after delay ensued. As a stopgap, Pabst purchased the Meister Brauser Chaparral 1 from his good friend Harry Heuer. Pabst drove the Chaparral the first half of the season, with mixed results but not bad considering that it was an obsolete car. Finally the McLaren was delivered in July. Pabst had it painted in colors reminiscent of the Meister Brauser team, blue with white trim. The Robert Bosch logo was put on each side.

The first race was the USRRC at Continental Divide Raceway in August, 1965. As probably could be expected, new car blues led to a DNF. Race two was the USRRC at Mid Ohio the end of August. Pabst qualified third behind the two Chaparrals of Hall and Sharp, but was a DNF in the race.

Then came Mosport. At the Canadian GP in Sept. the McLaren lit up very early in the race. Pabst pulled off course and waited in vain for help to arrive. The fire suppression effort was woeful at best, and the car burned to the ground while Pabst watched helplessly. The car was a total loss, being completely gutted by the fire. The remains were trucked back to Milwaukee where Bill Schley, a local trader in race and exotic cars, took possession of the charred bits. He quickly determined that any rebuild was out of the question, and stored the warped frame and a few odds and ends in his barn for decades. Schley finally sold the remains to John Bladon 10 or so years ago, and Bladon has built up a fine replica around the one or two salvageable bits.

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#360 hamsterace

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 15:55

On the tail it says prepared by TI(?) Motors Racing LTD.
The drivers for the car on the entrylist were (I think) Harms Winter and Albrecht Haase from Hamburg.

Does anybody know something about the history of this car? Also chassis number?


I suspect the lettering on the tail actually says "TT Motors Racing Ltd.", rather than TI.

TT did, and to the best of my knowledge, still do look after John Bladon's cars, which would perhaps explain matters here.

http://ttmotorsracing.co.uk/

Indeed, the photograph on their website would appear to show (on the far left of the four cars displayed) the same car as the one shown above. I had a quick look at it at the Oldtimer, and it certainly is a credit to the standards of their workmanship.

Edited by hamsterace, 15 August 2013 - 16:00.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 13:15

Hello I am the new owner of the Mc Laren M 1 A 20-05!I bought it from John Bladon

   two years ago.

I want to give to discussion:

Do anybody knew a racing car from the 60 th, which body wasn`t

destroyed by accident or was developed over the years

or was restored to new condition as a new car?

So what is a replica then

We know that the most racing cars from then can`t be raced today

in the conficuration of then for safety reasons or practicality.

So I maintain that there  are vanishingly little racing cars out there who are in original conditions

My car was build out of some remaining parts of the chassis.

But I have all the remains of the Augie Pabst car.

Even the burned engine.

So nobody can tell, he has 20-05. What an advantage.



#362 arttidesco

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 21:56

I want to give to discussion:

 

Examples of the types of problems that can arise in these situations can be seen with the Pabst Birdcage #2459 mentioned in this link, and the more complicated McQueen Solar 908 mentioned in this link.

 

To summarise so long as one person holds the original remains of a wreck and identity for it there is rarely any issue. In the case of 20-05 Pabst raced the wreck, you race the replacement chassis, but if these were ever to get separated life could get a little more complicated :smoking:



#363 RA Historian

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 00:29

Hang on to both the running car and the remains of the original, Herr Winter. Life will be a lot simpler for you as you control everything there is about the car. As you say, nobody else can lay claim to having the car because you have everything.



#364 Jerry Entin

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 00:30

Hello Tojeiro 1: As you have stated even if you had a so called Barn Find 1965 McLaren race car. It probably wouldn't be safe to race. These cars were never intended to last 50 years. They were built to be raced in the day. Most of these cars have replacement chassis. Few have all the original body work or the transmission or the motor. People can call the cars racing now Replicas or Fakes or what ever they want.

I personally enjoy seeing them. I also think it is great for this generation to be able to see the cars as designed by Bruce McLaren, running in Vintage events.

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 17:28

Hello,

I purchased Mclaren M1C - 40/11 in 2011 and have been racing it in Europen Historic events.

I would be very keen to hear if anyone has any pictures of the car racing in period.

 

40-11 was imported into the States by Carl Haas in 1967.

It was purchased by Ralph Treischmann and was driven by Peter Ledwith at the USRRC Mid-Ohio in Aug '68 carrying No 32.

At the '68 Road America round of the CanAm series it was driven by Treischmann bearing No 56.

 

In '69 the car was purchased by Jim Phillips of Las Vegas and raced in June at the SCCA race at Salt Lake City.

 

Thanks very much, Ewan McIntyre



#366 zoff2005

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 17:10

Hi Ewan

Have a look through this collection of photos by David Friedman:

http://www.flickr.co...57628488413505/

Happy hunting!

Marcus Mussa



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 13:58

A treasure trove !

Thanks very much, Will dig-in...