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#1 Kpy

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 16:36

Has anyone seen a copy of the April issue of this magazine which claims to have been published on March 25?
http://www.automobilehistorique.com/
There are no copies to be found at any of the usual points of sale in upper Normandy.

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#2 Roger Clark

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 18:09

It's reached Cheshire.

#3 a_tifoosi

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 18:20

Last week I received it.

Narcís.

#4 fausto

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 19:44

found it in Milan 10 days ago...

#5 philippe charuest

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 19:57

i didnt knew that they have a website. anyway here in canada that issue will arrive only at the end of the month . btw its a great news that josé rosinski join the magazine . i always like his work when he was at sport-auto,champion ,l'année automobile ect .his book "la formule 1 moderne " is a classic

#6 GIGLEUX

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 22:03

Originally posted by Kpy
Has anyone seen a copy of the April issue of this magazine which claims to have been published on March 25?
http://www.automobilehistorique.com/
There are no copies to be found at any of the usual points of sale in upper Normandy.


Don't be afflicted if you don't find it; I'm still wondering where there is something interesting in the April issue except somes pages on D.Hulme.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 12:50

I agree with Jean-Maurice, except the portrait of Denny Hulme, this issue is not
interesting. The Jaguar E Type Low Drag tested by José Rosinski, is a replica !
If you like this, I understand that you buy it. But, I will not buy it. :down:

#8 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 14:27

I bought a copy in Basel yesterday. Indeed not the most interesting of all copies. I wonder if there is a trend in this magazine's quality. It used to be bigger, thicker, better paper quality, more pictures, more real history telling (whats about doing Monte historic in a Fiat 500 and the low drag E-type replica/recreation), many (really many) photos from the days. Their recollection of specific events with pics of all participants are long gone as have their Matra articles :-(

Au revoir?

#9 Kpy

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 18:52

Originally posted by GIGLEUX


Don't be afflicted if you don't find it; I'm still wondering where there is something interesting in the April issue except somes pages on D.Hulme.


Oh dear. I found a copy, and bought it, just because I have every issue since the very first.
It's all very well getting Jose Rosinski on board as a test driver, but the first test is of a replica Low Drag E Type. That, however, is nothing compared with most of the remaining content. With the exception of an article on Denny Hulme, most of it is drivel. 12 pages on "musicians and cars", 13 on a husband and wife who did the Rallye Monte-Carlo Historique in a Fiat 500. Some very unexciting photos and prose on Woodcote, Thillois and Peraltada corners occupy a further 8 pages.
This is topped up with a two page interview with the wife of a driver some of you may know - Ludovic Caron - which could have been lifted from the pages of Hello magazine.
What a sad state for a once great magazine.

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 19:26

Hmmm, fluff infects Motor Sport, TNF, and now Autombile Historique, notice any pattern beginning to emerge here?

#11 philippe charuest

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Posted 07 April 2005 - 21:20

im not sure its a pattern yet .in the last year or two , i thinq that overall "automobile historique "was a beter reading with more substance then "motorsport" especially if you take account of the price.

#12 Rob29

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 08:27

Originally posted by Roger Clark
It's reached Cheshire.

Certainly has not reached Lincolnshire as I have never seen this mag.. I asume its in french so unlikely to sell.

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 08:40

Originally posted by billthekat
Hmmm, fluff infects Motor Sport, TNF, and now Autombile Historique, notice any pattern beginning to emerge here?

They had a great artice on the Matra 630 and a recent in-depth obit of Maurice Trintignant. Hoping it's a one-off.

#14 Kpy

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Posted 08 April 2005 - 11:17

Originally posted by Rob29
Certainly has not reached Lincolnshire as I have never seen this mag.. I asume its in french so unlikely to sell.


Roger's copy reached Cheshire since he subscribes to the magazine.
Yes it is a French magazine, written in French, and unlikely to find a mass market - in Lincolnshire.

#15 Roger Clark

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 19:11

I am a subscriber to the magazine but the last copy I received was dated Nov/Dec. Their web site shows this as the current issue. The cover of the next issue is shown. Does anyone know when (or whether?) we can expect to see it?

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 19:40

Originally posted by Roger Clark
I am a subscriber to the magazine but the last copy I received was dated Nov/Dec. Their web site shows this as the current issue. The cover of the next issue is shown. Does anyone know when (or whether?) we can expect to see it?


Roger,

I'm in the same situation: the last copy I received was the November/December one (nº 51). I've sent two e-mails to Automobile Historique... with any answer.


Narcís :( .

#17 philippe charuest

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 20:24

im maybe wrong but from now on(well starting with the #51) i thinq they will have only 6 issue per year. im pretty sure theres a mention about that somewhere on the site

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 21:37

The first year, the magazine was big and with interesting stuff on each page, at Retromobile they had a little table as stand.
Last year at Retromobile they had a large stand with Champagne and all, the magazine was small and
looked like a "gazette mondaine".
This year, no stand at Retromobile, no more mag...

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 13:24

Funny that this should come up now as a topic - I e-mailed them just a few days ago asking why I haven't received anything since Issue #50. No reply - can't help but suspect that it's folded.

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#20 GIGLEUX

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 13:43

I also think they put the key under the doormat! About them I have the same feeling as Rudi.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 16:54

Here in Portugal the last number was also #51.

I've started to suspect something's going wrong, when I saw a HS number appear last Summer with no previous anouncement.

I have some experience in how magazines work, and when we have more articles than the ones we could publish on the regular numbers (I mean the total numbers that were already payed by the sponsors), a HS number normaly appears, and that my friends is often a sign that "The End" is near. SAD.

#22 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 20:27

Sad news , they ran some very good articles over the few years they published , including the translation booklets they produced ,be it the UK or France it may be a sign of the times , but there maybe an oversupply of printed matter for an ever more discerning readership . I have every issue of TCC since 1973 , until January of this year , when I realised that I was getting very little from each issue , so 2 months into the yesr I havent bought and on current performance I dont think my decision will change .

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 21:24

Being a press retailer here in France, I can confirm that - unfortunately - Automobiles Historiques is no longer published. My professional press site simply says "cessation de parution" without any other explanation.

Dozens of publications appears on the press scene each month and dozens desappear in the same time, and it is a pity that Automobiles Historiques was among the later category in January.

Although this "new" magazine will probably not replace Automobiles Historiques in the nostalgic hearts, I'm nevertheless able to inform you of the rebirth of Auto Passion this month, from the merging of two other magazines : Citro Passion (which was dedicated to old Citroën enthusiasts) and 1093 Magazine (for Alpine and old Renault performance cars enthusiasts).

Auto Passion itself had desappeared some years ago, after it had replaced Le Fanatique de l'Automobile and later the Fanauto. It was then published in the same spirit of Automobiles Historiques with a lot of well documented articles dedicated to the history of motor racing and sports/racing cars. Wait and see Auto Passion in its new format : apart from an interesting article about a restaured Alpine A 210, the first issue mainly deals with French popular cars...

#24 macoran

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 22:56

I worked in France for years.......... and it has always been the same
20 issues of one magazine
30 of a.n.other

Automobile Historique as far as I recall appeared twice in different guises
Auto Passion was one of the longest living.

Pity.....they were good magazines.

Was it anything to do with the passing away of Jean Luc Lagadere (yes Mr Matra)
who also owned .....I think Hachete ? a sort of French Haymarket ?

#25 philippe charuest

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 23:17

its not better in england many vintage racing magazines like "historic race and rally " and "historic racing" didnt survive long , both very good magazine who were of the same level then the early(1-12) "automobile historique " .

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 07:15

I suscribed to Automobile Historique at Rétromobile last year and immediately had the impression that all was not well. The mag was published at very irregular intervals with no apologies or explanations from the publisher.

I phoned them a couple of times to complain and they promised a couple of free issues.

I also found the content to be full of good intentions and ideas, but it included just as many mistakes (they even talked about Cevert's two GP victories in one issue). There were clearly serious flaws in the editorial process and I suspect that they were running on a shoestring budget or may even have been a one-man show, at least on the production side of things.

I am rather miffed that Automobile Historique has just disappeared without any information for the readers and subscribers. I took out a subscription for 12 issues and probably received seven or eight. They owe me!

Edward

#27 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 08:04

Team Gunstons comments are very interesting, with Citroen and Renault(1093) mags having to merge , it cant bode well for the future , who will be next ? My local newsagent (maison de la presse), told me using his computer system he removes monthly mags when none dont sell for six days , he needs the space for the new mags on all topics arriving every week .

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 14:19

The magazine was founded in early 2000 by Francois Dulac, his son Simon and Flavien Marcais. It appeared every other month and was full of excellent in-depth articles and super photographs, many of them from the archives of Serge Pozzoli, S. Marcais’ late grandfather. The magazine was printed by the Dulac family’s company in Normandy. In mid-2001 Simon Dulac’s brother Sebastien appeared as editor.
In February 2002 AH was re-launched as a monthly with Sebastien Dulac still the editor, but without his father or brother or Flavien Marcais.
In late 2002 plans were made to publish the magazine in English, and a translation of the magazine’s text became available to subscribers. This never developed into a full-sized English version, and the idea was dropped in mid-2003, apparently to concentrate on “doing a Lord March” by organizing a Festival of Speed in the Domaine de Saint-Cloud near Paris in 2004 and 2005. I don’t think this made the expected profit.
Early last year it became difficult to find the magazine in newsagents; hence my original post. Perhaps the writing went on the wall for Automobile Historique in May last year, when they announced a new publishing schedule “to improve circulation”. What they didn’t announce was that the following issue (July/August No.51) would be printed in Lithuania. This coincided with Simon Dulac taking over the family printing business from his father. Perhaps the family is unwilling to print a loss-making magazine at a special price any longer. I always wondered how they survived without much in the way of advertisements. The July/August and September issues came out on time. The next issue was a month late. Since then nothing has been published.
It’s a shame that the only magazine in France dedicated to the history of cars and motor racing should vanish after 52 issues. It had its faults, the articles sometimes contained gross errors of fact, the captions were not to be relied on, and some articles in the last few issues might have been better off in Paris Match. I’m happy that I have all 52 issues
It’s odd that the web site http://www.automobilehistorique.com/ is still operating, promising a forthcoming issue, and inviting subscriptions.
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#29 Hieronymus

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 14:24

Nice obituary, Kpy!

I enjoyed them and some good memories they left.

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 15:26

As the editor's face was more and more on the front cover, the magazine became less and less interesting. The first numbers were very good (and expensive at the time) but the last were uninteresting.
In its days, I really liked Auto-Passion (the first incarnation).

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 16:18

It’s a shame that the only magazine in France dedicated to the history of cars and motor racing should vanish after 52 issues. It had its faults, the articles sometimes contained gross errors of fact, the captions were not to be relied on, and some articles in the last few issues might have been better off in Paris Match. I’m happy that I have all 52 issues



Your 52 numbers are 1 to 51 and the HS, right?


I used to have all the numbers too, but unfortunately #20 was stolen last September.
I have a few copies doubled in my colection. If someone have #20 and any one of my doubles missing, perhaps we could setup a trade. My available numbers are: 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 13, 14, 21, 29, 32 and 49.

#32 GIGLEUX

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 17:20

What a long thread for a magazine which became so insignificant!!!

#33 a_tifoosi

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Posted 11 February 2006 - 10:26

I'm also subscribed to AH... and I've just received eight magazines. What a pity!


Narcís.

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 20:52

It's a real pity, because they had some very good articles, much longer than normal for this kind of magazine, and in-depth research on cars.
Whatever is being said, it was a bloody good effort and they should be applauded for trying to make it work.

At the Retromobile, seeing there was no stand and being unable to find a "latest" issue for sale anywhere, I suspected something was wrong.

At least there was a very good interview with my wife........

#35 Hieronymus

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 06:23

Originally posted by hhh

At least there was a very good interview with my wife........


...Christine Beckers!!??

#36 Mig007

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 14:31

Does anyone know what happened to this magazine? What was the final publication? And where can I find old numbers?

#37 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 15:29

it went out of business , cant say when , the publisher ran a printing business so he was able to carry on until the money ran out search forum-auto.com and you may find more info .

#38 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 18:18

I believe 51 issues plus a Special.

#39 Kpy

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 18:47

it went out of business , cant say when ,


Last issue was dated November/December 2005.
As Arjan says, there were 51 issues plus a special.
See post #28.

the publisher ran a printing business so he was able to carry on until the money ran out

The publisher's father ran a printing business. When the father retired and the publisher's brother took over, "family rates" for printing ceased.



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#40 Mig007

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 18:54

So I have the last number. I missed the first 11 and one more, I think

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 16:12

it went out of business , cant say when , the publisher ran a printing business so he was able to carry on until the money ran out search forum-auto.com and you may find more info .



Here the thread (in French)

http://forums.motorl...read.php?t=1776

Regards Michael (victim of M Dulac too)