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#51 Jeremy Jackson

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 17:48

Gerard,

The Autosport is dated September 24th 1970. The photo was the front cover for that week. I have the cover & report, so if you need a scan of either/both, let me know.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 19:13

The Lola T222 was a monster and it sounds like one! :)

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#53 gerard BARATHIEU

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 03:55

thank you JEREMY,

It would be kind of you;

you can send it on my pm or personal email if you have always.

best salutations.

#54 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 17:22

Originally posted by Nordic1
....the sadly departed Gerry Marshall ...


Have I missed something....Big Gerry???
Or are you thinking of his famous racing/drinking buddy Tony Lanfranchi?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 17:30

Originally posted by gerard BARATHIEU
SIMON,

the car in 1977 at the 1000km of MONZA where it was four !!


Thanks Gerard, excellent pictures!

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 19:02

Originally posted by simonlewisbooks

Have I missed something....Big Gerry???
Or are you thinking of his famous racing/drinking buddy Tony Lanfranchi?
Simon Lewis

Did you miss this thread Simon?
http://forums.atlasf...&threadid=78434

#57 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 15:41

Sadly I did miss the news about Gerry, what a loss to the sport, what a character and what car control the guy posessed! One of my genuine heroes as a kid and ever since!

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 08:12

Just found a reference to Helmut Kelleners McLaren M20 running a Morand 7.5 turbo Chevy engine at the Norisring in 1973 - which provided him with his 5th blown engine in 4 events at that point !
Later in the year he ran the 917/"20" that Elford and later Muller also raced(the 917-30 hack chassis with adjustable wheelbase) .
Anyone know what happened to the Turbo McLaren project, and indeed the M20 itself after Kelleners obviously gave up the unequal struggle to keep it's engines together?

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 08:50

Originally posted by simonlewisbooks
Just found a reference to Helmut Kelleners McLaren M20 running a Morand 7.5 turbo Chevy engine at the Norisring in 1973 - which provided him with his 5th blown engine in 4 events at that point !
Later in the year he ran the 917/"20" that Elford and later Muller also raced(the 917-30 hack chassis with adjustable wheelbase) .
Anyone know what happened to the Turbo McLaren project, and indeed the M20 itself after Kelleners obviously gave up the unequal struggle to keep it's engines together?

Simon lewis


I am even not sure if turbo engine was used at Norisring (can anybody confirm that?). They used the Morand Turbo engine, previously used by VDS, at Hockenheim 15.7.1973 and it was not used after that. After couple races with 917/30-001 in 1973 Kelleners returned to chassis M20/3 for 1974 season, now fitted with normal aspirated 8.1 litre engine.

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#60 renzo_zorzi

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 08:52

didnt mario andretti drive (or was supposed to drive) a turbocharged mclaren in the can am season of 1973?? i do recall a smallarticle on the 73 canam season where that is beeing mentioned. according to that mag the project wasnt followed any further due to the restriction for the turbo cars (especially porsche 917/30) for the 74-season.

#61 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 09:32

Originally posted by Martin Krejci


I am even not sure if turbo engine was used at Norisring (can anybody confirm that?).


Yes, it was raced,but not very far by the sounds of it..... here's the SPORT AUTO report (in rough transalation from German , so apologies if it's not exactly right)

" Furthermore there was another world premiere in Nuremberg: the ex Denny Hulme work McLaren M20 had, thanks to day and night work, been fitted by the Felder Racing-team with a 7.5 litre turbocharged Chevy engine. This was built by Morand for the VDS team and is apparently good for 930 HP......After the field was released by starter Rennleiter Leistner, the 7.5 litre Turbo in the Kelleners McLaren exploded! The fifth engine failure in four races, leaving a wide oil slick in it's wake..."

Kelleners engine problems seem remarkable considering the general reliability of McLaren's own engines in the USA. One assumes his engines were at a slightly lower level of tune to the factory team in any case?
I did read (in the Lola T70 book) that almost all european-run Chevy engines suffered from the lower octane of the pump fuel available at the time. Eric Broadley is quoted as saying he never saw a Chevy that didn't show sings of pre-ignition when stripped down.

Interstingly the VDS M8F turbo was track tested/raced by Willie Green in the early 90s and he reckoned it was a pussy-cat to drive , easier than a regular 8.3 litre M8F and it had enormous potential ... and 1300bhp.....

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 05:49

Norisring 1973:
Kelleners (#3) close behind Kinnunen with exploding engine of the McLaren M20-Turbo.
For further information (in German), please visit www.norisringhistorie.de !

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 08:48

Presume that this may well have been the car's sole appearance in turbo form, it's listed for Hochenhiem (the following race) as retireing with rear suspension failure and then at Misano Helmut takes over the 917-"20" hack that Elford had used to such effect at Hochenhiem.
In 74 the M20 was back, minus turbo and finished every race, winning at the Nurburgring and recording 2nd at Hochenhiem ,Casale and the other Nurburgring event and 3rd at Silverstone and Kassel Calden !
Wonder what suddenly caused such total reliability ?

Car and driver reappeared once (getting a 5th place) in 1975 . It's now listed on the Matthews Collection website http://www.mathewsco...McLaren_M20.htm
Stunning looking car!

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 15:39

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an interessant photo from 1974 .

Did some on kwon who it is?

the driver of the 917-30 is Herbert Mûller, that's the first time I see this car with the number 1 ( normaly it has the number 0)

Photo from Wolfgang Thierack

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 15:56

Originally posted by thecako
:rotfl:

an interessant photo from 1974 .

Did some on kwon who it is?

the driver of the 917-30 is Herbert Mûller, that's the first time I see this car with the number 1 ( normaly it has the number 0)


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I think it's the 1974 Casale race as #11 looks like Lella Lombardi in a Lola T282 and that appears to be the only race she did in 74. The only place I have seen full result for this lists Muller as "0" but that could be wrong. #14 could be the similar Lola of either Heinz Schulthess or Manfredini while the red Chevron looks like a B19/21/23 and could be Tondelli who ran a red Chevron around this time.

Unusual photo. I can't recall ever seeing a shot from Casale before for any kind of racing, if indeed thats where it is? Can anyone confirm?

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#66 Jeremy Jackson

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 16:08

This would be Casale. #14 is definitely Schulthess's Lola, and it's Lombardi in the #11 Jolly Club T282.
I think the Chevron is pasquale Anastasio's (Think that says Anastasio on the nose)

Interesting race numbers though, I though Interserie had season-long numbers per team/entrant at this point.

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 16:29

I know some organisers had a real bee in their bonnet about local newspapers and magazine printing entry lists in the week before an eventh - and thus losing them programme sales on the day! So they often renumbered at the last minute... for example It happened in the Brussells F1 GP in I believe 1962.
The number stuck over Kelleners regular #3 certainly looks like a last minute addition.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 11:10

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It's the same mistake with this 2 photos, the car have the number 3 with Herber Mûller

Is it in 1974 or in one race in 1975?

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Posted 02 May 2005 - 11:18

Originally posted by thecako
:rotfl:

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an interessant photo from 1974 .

Did some on kwon who it is?

the driver of the 917-30 is Herbert Mûller, that's the first time I see this car with the number 1 ( normaly it has the number 0)

Photo from Wolfgang Thierack

Gregoire

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I have some info from the photographer , yes it's casale

thank's for your info

Gregoire

#70 Martin Krejci

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Posted 02 May 2005 - 13:11

Originally posted by thecako


I have some info from the photographer , yes it's casale

thank's for your info

Gregoire



Dear Gregorie,

is it possible to get me in touch with the photographer? You may email me...

Regards,

Martin

#71 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 02 May 2005 - 16:08

Originally posted by Martin Krejci



Dear Gregorie,

is it possible to get me in touch with the photographer? You may email me...

Regards,

Martin


....Me too, I tried the links but got nowhere and I'd like to get in touch with him

Regards
Simon Lewis

#72 thecako

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Posted 03 May 2005 - 14:10

Wolfgang Thierack

You can find his Email on this page

An other photo from him on the norisring race in 1969

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Gregoire

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#73 Martin Krejci

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Posted 03 May 2005 - 22:19

Gregoire, thank you very much. Martin

#74 rosemeyer

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Posted 03 May 2005 - 23:21

There is a small Interseries subject on this link,

http://www.imca-slotracing.com/

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Posted 01 November 2005 - 22:05

dears users

here some one pics of group 7

regards





group 7 :wave:

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#76 thecako

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 13:40

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A Picture in 1974 at the first race at the Nürbürgring.

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And an other At the second race

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 16:46

Does a book about the early years of the Interseries excists or is it just my imagination!? If so I believe it to be in French and released with in the last few years.

Jesper

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 16:57

Does a book about the early years of the Interseries excists or is it just my imagination!? If so I believe it to be in French and released with in the last few years.

Jesper


Jesper

There is a book here: http://www.editions-...s,us,4,p162.cfm and, yes, it would appear to have been written in French, which is slightly odd in my opinion.

Has anybody made a comment on the Book Thread I wonder?



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 17:10

Has anybody made a comment on the Book Thread I wonder?

They have indeed. Tuboscocca announced its publication:

Finally published:

Interserie 1970-75 (published by Palmier)

http://www.editions-...s,fr,4,p162.cfm


to my knowledge the first book on this series..??

and in response to a question from Michael Oliver, he followed up with:

Michael (not me!!)

There are yearly summaries AND each race and every heat has a result table including the DNFs (position,time, average speed, entrant ,FL, practice position and time ,where known ,but no chassis numbers).
But no entry lists as such. Furthermore each year has a run-through the participating cars..
Hope this helps.

BTW wonderful period photos too!!

Regards Michael



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#80 alansart

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 17:10

I'm not sure about a book, but I have a few paddock photos from Silverstone 1974.

Willie Kausen
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Helmut Kelleners McLaren M20
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Jeremy Lords Lola DFV
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Richard Pilkingtons Alfa Romeo T33/3
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Herbert Müllers Ferrari 512M
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#81 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 20:16

Thank you for your replies regarding the book - and some great photos! It might very well have been on the book thread that I've heard about the title, but running towards 200 pages that thread is getting a bit too big unless you pick up on the interesting bits right away (lesson learned, I hope, on my part :) !

Jesper

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:08

Herbert Müllers Ferrari 512M
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Wonderful photos Alan, and man the memories this one brings up.

I saw Herbert race his 512 many times in the States, in the Can-Am in I believe 1971 and 1974. Very memorable character and one hard driver. Got everything out of his cigars as well. ;)

RIP, Herbert.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:18

Thank you for your replies regarding the book - and some great photos! It might very well have been on the book thread that I've heard about the title, but running towards 200 pages that thread is getting a bit too big unless you pick up on the interesting bits right away (lesson learned, I hope, on my part :) !

Jesper


You can search a thread using the "Enter keywords" box at the bottom left after the last post then hitting the "Search" button next to it. Like the main forum search it's clunky and you have to select the keywords carefully

#84 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 15:51

You can search a thread using the "Enter keywords" box at the bottom left after the last post then hitting the "Search" button next to it. Like the main forum search it's clunky and you have to select the keywords carefully


Didn't know about this feature, but will use it in the future. Thank you for the tip.

Jesper