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[Allen Brown]

I just remembered Tom Erwin's notebooks. Tom was a Lola nut who attended many east coast races and wrote down the chassis numbers of Lolas in his notebooks. I have photocopies.

He notes HU32 and HU51 as you'd expect in 1974 but at Pocono 1975 (round 1) he just writes "not a Lola tub" alongside Noyes car. At Mosport (round 2) he just writes "destroyed" and at Watkins Glen (round 3) he writes "new tub".

So was the HU51 tub reskinned after Levin, leaving Tom nothing he recognised as being born in Huntingdon? Or did Noyes get some American metal basher to make a whole new tub. More likely the former than the latter, I'd suggest.

Then a new tub at Watkins Glen could be a second tub in HU51 but could also be a second tub in HU32. Or even third. After all these crashes, can HU51 and HU32 any longer be distinguished? Do we just say the Pocono car is 'Noyes/3' and the Watkins Glen car 'Noyes/4'? The only reason I'm not doing that is that Noyes had two cars, not one. Unless those Campbell notebooks solve these mysteries, I think we're still stuck.

Allen

[SCHKEE T332]

He had said he bought a replacement tub from Lola, but not sure for which car.
Perhaps he used the replacement tub to fix both cars. Perhaps we'll never know.

[SCHKEE T332]

HI,
A couple of updates are in order.

First, the wrecked tub pictured above is a Lola t332, not a T330. I have looked at both and resolved this (my opinion).

Second, we believe the "76-2401" tub to be so similar to the HU50 tub which we have seen and the HU55 (T332 c) tub which we have seen, but different to the HU??(Monk) earlier tub we have been looking at that we (and the Bennets) are sure it is a Lola tub produced at the approximate same time as the HU5* tubs(my opinion and the Bennet's opinion). The "not a Lola tub" entry could not have been referencing this car, but perhaps the yellow bodywork.
I , as well as Evan Noyes,believe it is all that remains of HU51, and will refer to it as such in the future. Noyes believes this is HU51 due to it's Bartz engine and the unique bodywork which he ordered so that he could sell the car, which is still in the car(engine) and on the car (bodywork) .

Third, the HU51 car will be at the Atlanta Historics this year along with the Schkee HU55
and the best part is that John Paul Jr. is the driver (sprint) co-driver(enduro)on HU51 so we get to see some good driving for a change instead of me just putting around !
TNFers are welcome to join us in the pits and we have reserved the tech shed as our pits so please stop by and say hello.
Best,
Johan

[Antoine Pilette]

There is another Historic w-e this year?? I didn't see it in the HSR calendar!

EDIT Found the event on the SVRA website.
I'll be there and won't forget to say hello, this time:)

[David Pozzi]

SCCA stamps ID numbers on the roll bar when first tech inspected, they also issue a log book with that number. The first two digits should be the SCCA region ID. I started racing SCCA solo 1 with my Lola T-70 in 1976, the first two numbers on my roll bar are 33, I'm in region 33 San Francisco region.
I believe all the following digits are consecutive numbers, but I'm not sure.

I have another car that starts with 19 which I believe is southern California, Cal-Club.
David

[Allen Brown]

Hi David

That system is used by the SCCA Regions but if a car is first seen in the Pro series, it was stamped with a different type of number, using the year as the first element. So we see a lot of cars with 72-FA-xx numbers in 1972 for example. However, if a car did a National as a warm-up before the start iof the Pro season, the car would have the organising region's number instead. A couple of 1977 Lolas have 33-xxx numbers for that reason.

Allen

[jim cooke]

I know this car...

Evan Noyes drove it as delivered new to him, probably from Carl. It was red with yellow accents.
At the time I believe he or his family owned Eagle Creek Avation in Indy. He was an heir to the old Stokley-Van Camp Food Biz, but like a lot of wealthy guys he wanted to keep that as invisible as possible...

Those were great fields of cars, and put on terrific races, Evan wasn't bad, he wasn't at the back in qualifying, but helped make up the middle, so the guys up front like Andretti, Redman, Weitzes, Al Unser had somebody to pass while they were pursuning each other...!

cheers,

[Allen Brown]

Is that Jim Cooke as in the driver of the ex-Bobby Brown Lola T333CS in Can-Am in 1984?

Allen

[Jerry Entin]

Schkee T332: You have a few thinks wrong on your post. Tony Brise is how he spelled his name. Graham Hill is also how he spelled his name. Tony didn't race at Long Beach in 1974. The first race was held in 1975. The slogan they had for that race was something like" Let's do it in the Streets". Evan Noyes was a very respected driver and Roy Campbell was a true craftsman as a mechanic. It is very hard to tell which Lola T332 you have once the id# plate has been removed. The Lola T-332 was the best car avaliable for Formula 5000 racing in the 70's. Sid Taylor ran the car for Tony Brise with sponsorship coming from Teddy Yip of Theodore Racing of Honk Kong. Alan Bartz was a great engine builder also. He learned his trade in sprint car racing in Southern California and then working for Traco before he went out on his own. Also that was a very nice job you did rescuing the driver of the McLaren that went swamp diving at Elkhart Lake. Very good job and you truly deserve the swamp patrol tee shirt. Here is the story of Johan's great effort. http://www.lolaherit...ook/023/023.htm

[Allen Brown]

I'm glad this thread has popped up again as I was unable to find it recently.

Johan

Have you received my replies to your emails regarding "the Sanchez car"? I have replied to each email but I get the impression that you're not seeing those replies for some reason.

Allen

[GT Reproductions]

Hi Buddy,
Here's those 2 pictures of your car http://www.gtreprodu...om/newpage2.htm
from Mid Ohio 1977 that I've been trying to get to you for the last year. These were taken with my Kodak 110. Hope you enjoy them. I just love that car.
Chris

[SCHKEE T332]

Jerry,
Sorry for the spelling errors. Thanks for correcting them. I need constant supervision .
Sorry that I did not get to meet you at the Can Am race at Elkhart Lake. What a great time !
I was there with Chuck Beck if you remember him. We spent the entire weekend trying to get the
#30 Gurney T70 started after sitting since 1981 (not successful) and chasing down an "upright issue"
(I about cut my wheel in half) on the T703b . We did run the Schkee though and it was just a fantastic weekend. I finally got to meet Bob McKee ! The Mclaren issue was an eye opener !
Chassis plates are easy to switch or duplicate but history is what it is. After speaking with Mr. Noyes, I am sure I have HU51.

Allen,
I have not had the best e-mail luck and have been gone most of the summer. What I have been trying to tell you is that I have purchased another (4th) center seat T332/T333.
For those that do not know, Robert Goulet has passed away from a fight with cancer. He was a great fellow and a friend at the race track to those who knew him. I bought his car last spring from his estate.
It solves some of your mystery cars....
It is reported to be a Hass team car driven by Tambay and Jones and a back up car to Ickx at Watkins Glen. I have a lot of info on it and should start a new thread so as not to confuse it with this thread about HU51. It had been stored in a trailer for MANY years so I bought the whole deal including the trailer and all contents and we opened up the trailer at Road America in May and emptied its contents along with 15 or so of Robert Goulet's old friends ( I don't mean they were in the trailer, I mean they helped go through it !). It was pretty neat. It was a time capsule.


Chris,
Thank you so much for providing my first glimpse of the rear of the Schkee from back in the day ! Great photo that I have never seen. Sorry that I did not get to talk to you more at road America.
The place was so busy with things to do . It is like Disneyworld for car guys.

above image is the Goulet car in the trailer under a pile of lola "junk" as we opened it up.

[SCHKEE T332]

This thread is confusing because it deals with four T332/T333 lolas.
HU 51 the Noyes car
HU55 The Schkee
HU?? The wreck from Road Atlanta
and now this one..The car in the trailer

[SCHKEE T332]

There is a car under all that stuff

[SCHKEE T332]

That has some very distinct features...

[Allen Brown]

more, more, more ... tell us more!

[Jerry Entin]

Johan: A friend of mine named Eric Hauser had that Gurney Lola T-70 in about 1969. He also had my ex car. And the Agapiou car. He never had racing engines in them. He tried running with stock Corvette engines. The Lola he got from Gurney had a stock 289 Ford in it. Not Gurney Weslake Heads or anything trick. I thought the Lola T-70 3B was a very nice car. They were no match for the McLaren Mk 6 though. I think your Schkee car is very good looking. It looks like something out of StarWars. I was never involved with the center seater CanAm type cars. Alot of the Teams went from that type racing into Cart type racing and were very sucsessful. It was a good training grounds for running an Indy type Team. Glad you got to meet Bob McKee he is a great guy and very deserving of being honored as a great contributor to Racing. Your bringing a car out he helped build is a great tribute to his design ability.

[scorerr770]

Hi, I am producing a technical illustration of a 1974 Lola T332, similar to my others at www.race-car-technical-illustrations.co.uk . I have all I need except details of the wheels as no wheels without tyres available and the Lola archives closed for some time. Any help would be appreciated. Kind regards Roy