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#1 Moanaman

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 22:52

That was some of the best racing ive ever seen in F1! The last 40 laps were amazing viewing. Just a quick note, this competition is "Guess the Result on the track" and not "Guess the Result after the Stewards **** with it", so Ralf's 8th place stands.

Top score for Imola was 43 and went to race addicted, Second step went to Costaz and scheivlak Third.

Well done :clap:


Two newbies this round, the best of whom was brett_sequeira! Congratulations and welcome :up:



   1	race addicted					  43

   2	Costaz							 42

   3	scheivlak						  41

   4	mark f1							39

   5	IMHO							   38

   6	kismet							 36

   6	firebone						   36

   8	windsok							35

   9	Viss1							  34

   9	sergino							34

   9	KWSN - DSM						 34

   12   Flash							  33

   13   skylark68						  32

   13   sek								32

   13   Pets22							 32

   13   mimin							  32

   13   Makarias						   32

   13   Jimmino							32

   13   Deeq							   32

   20   Schuting Star					  31

   20   Punisher6						  31

   20   jomaizta						   31

   20   dnbn							   31

   24   WillieF1						   30

   24   shays							  30

   24   magicalonso						30

   24   gerry nassar					   30

   24   fisichella_2001					30

   29   weasle							 29

   29   Punter							 29

   29   Orin							   29

   29   Marcel Schot					   29

   29   jokuvaan						   29

   29   D82								29

   29   Cyruz							  29

   29   Cadence							29

   37   moanaman						   28

   37   maxie							  28

   37   brett_sequeira					 28			newbie

   37   armonico						   28

   41   SkorbiF1						   27

   41   Sammyed							27			newbie

   43   LB								 26

   43   kNt								26

   45   G8R_Sackmasters					25

   45   130R							   25

   47   turin							  24

   47   StickShift						 24

   47   Sinisa							 24

   47   riffola							24

   47   Al.								24

   52   boost							  22

   52   Barty							  22

   52   Apex							   22

   52   an1res							 22

   56   Zawed							  21

   56   Ric Bol							21

   56   estoril85						  21

   56   d_view7							21

   56   Czesc							  21

   56   coyoteBR						   21

   56   arcsine							21

   56   alapan							 21

   64   howardt							20

   64   Estwald							20

   64   dworsham						   20

   67   Xig								19

   67   Shadow							 19

   67   ray b							  19

   70   SeanValen						  15

   70   garth_b							15


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#2 Moanaman

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 23:05

Top score overall is 137, Barty is our leader still but his lead has narrowed a lot! Second is Cyrus with 133 and third for sergino and Costaz two points back on 131


1	Barty		137

2	Cyruz		133

3	sergino		131

3	Costaz		131

5	windsok		130

5	race addicted	130	

5	Punisher6	130	

8	IMHO		129

8	gerry nassar	129	

10	mark f1		128

10	Marcel Schot	128	

10	coyoteBR	128	

10	an1res		128

14	magicalonso	127	

15	Viss1		126

15	orin		126

17	LB		123

17	Flash		123

19	Makarias	122	

19	jokuvaan	122	

21	fisichella_2001	121	

21	D82		121

23	Jimmino		120

24	kismet		119

24	jomaizta	119	

26	SkorbiF1	118	

27	StickShift	117	

27	Estwald		117

27	Deeq		117

30	KWSN - DSM	116	

30	Al.		116

32	weasle		114

32	scheivlak	114	

34	Moanaman	113	

34	estoril85	113	

36	mimin		111

36	Apex		111

38	sek		108

38	dnbn		108

38	armonico	108	

41	Pets22		107

41	arcsine		107

43	Ric Bol		106

43	d_view7		106

45	Xig		105

45	Shadow		105

47	Zawed		104

48	WillieF1	103	

48	Punter		103

50	skylark68	101	

50	ray b		101

50	Czesc		101

50	130R		101

54	Alapan		100

55	Schuting Star	98	

55	kNt		98

55	G8R_Sackmasters	98	

58	garth_b		97

58	fifi		97

60	riffola		95

60	howardt		95

60	firebone	95	

60	boost		95

64	Pioneer		88

64	DeLorean	88	

64	DeathMasteR	88	

67	Antti		87

68	QdfV		84

69	Shays		80

70	turin		76

71	maxie		75

72	dworsham	71	

73	Tom Brady	68	

74	Ice T		63

75	surya		62

75	JulKeZ		62

77	Cadence		60

78	Sinisa		57

79	Jack Rabbit	50	

80	HBoss		46

81	SeanValen	40	

82	JUVENTUS FC	38	

83	eoin		37

84	SlowMoe		36

84	cmoney036	36	

86	brandstormer	34	

87	aditya-now	33	

88	Brutom		32

89	rodlamas	30	

89	Menace		30

89	Coupe		30

89	cordell		30

93	ghostrider	29	

93	AF Prodrive	29	

95	jmc		28

95	JForce		28

95	brett_sequeira	28	

98	Steve Williams	27	

98	Schumeister	27	

98	Sammyed		27

98	Bern@rd		27

98	Anna-Poletaeva	27	

103	Ventura		26

103	Miniman		26

103	HONDA FANATIC	26	

103	GT Racing …	26	

107	pippin		25

108	Woftam		24

109	Red 2		23

110	ferbus		22

110	F1penguin	22	

112	J Ruoska	20	

113	Woking		19

113	JPMontoya_fan	19	

115	philhitchings	18	

116	djellison	17


#3 LB

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 23:46

I see you have actually changed the rules from last year then?

#4 Moanaman

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 00:42

Yes. I took your lead from when you ran the Guess The WRC comp. :up:

#5 Sammyed

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 03:54

Me...I newbie??

had a sabatic year, that´s all :smoking:


#6 jokuvaan

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 08:07

I will no longer take part in this if official results are not used, as I remember that unlike some previus years, drivers ARE NOT punished anymore during the race at all because it was better to study cases calmly after the race with no hurry.

But sure you can keep guessing the ORDER in which drivers pass the lane and not race RESULTS that are two totally different things with present F1 rules.

I did expect little more professionalism from this :rolleyes:

And better change that topic because its very missleading.

#7 Moanaman

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 10:25

Bye :wave: You need to learn to relax a little. I took this over this competition because the previous host needed a hand due to other commitments, if you want to run it Jokuvaan its all yours...


If anyone else has an issue with the above results please post it here. I will change it if the majority say so.

Edit***
It all makes sense now...

Originally posted by jokuvaan in this thread
That means 10 more points for me at "guess the result" :up:

But has to wait result from that appeal, I hope its not week long decision.


Do you want me to wait until the outcome of the appeal before publishing the result? June?? September??




#8 jokuvaan

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 10:44

Yes I fully honestly appreciate that somebody has the commitment to do this work. :up:

And Toyota's appeal is still going on, so we have after the race result but no after the race weekend result. But this is typical F1 process that causes problems to some money bet firms also.

And I dont think that many will complain about this case because nearly all put Ralf into top8.

But I expect hard times ahead when example some car is disqualified, or other penaltys(that surely will come) and you have to decide race "results" every time personally or using acclamation without any clear method.(like example final official results)

#9 LB

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 10:45

Originally posted by Moanaman
Yes. I took your lead from when you ran the Guess The WRC comp. :up:


Ah but if you check I always said results are as official at midnight GMT at the end of the rally - i.e. to ignore appeals, not DQ's/penalties from the stewards, its the same with the allrounders. at midnight last night Nick was 8th.

anyway i'm not that bothered (ok I have nick 8th so I'm bloody fuming ;))

#10 Moanaman

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 11:00

LB, i have nick in 7th and would have really liked the points too.

So, my last question is this... If Toyota win the appeal and ralf is awarded 8th again do I change the results again to reflect the new(old) result?

#11 Al.

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 12:00

Originally posted by Moanaman
LB, i have nick in 7th and would have really liked the points too.

So, my last question is this... If Toyota win the appeal and ralf is awarded 8th again do I change the results again to reflect the new(old) result?


You should change the results to whatever gives me (don't worry ignore everyone else honest it will be ok :) ) the highest possible score to salvage a weekend of quite appalling predications. I feel I will have slumped down the order of most bets 'n games this week. :

I see from GTR in Spain you're leaning towards result at midnight. Whatever you go for is fine, it's not going to make my guesses any better.

#12 ray b

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 12:05

I had him [hied] 8th too
:rolleyes: and baddly need the 10 points
as I am very good at picking fast guys WHO DNF this year so far :mad:

BUT VOTE TO USE RACE FINISH RESULTS as on track
not the endless FIA BS post race

#13 jokuvaan

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 12:50

Well there seems to be 3 options:

1)Order immediately from finishing line(even timing/lap errors possible like seen before)

2)Result after the race when penaltys(picked during the race) are given like it says in the rules and legality of cars checked.

3)Final word after possible appeals are investigated

I favor 3 because I think that race rules should be respected, no illegal cars, no illegal manoeuvres but also human errors of race judges are possible and phase 3 rules them out.

But I guess that this is democracy and people should vote what ever they want from this.

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Btw.

http://www.fia.com/m.../250405-01.html
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#14 Jimmino

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 13:16

Thanks

#15 Schuting Star

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 13:43

Thanks Moanaman :wave:

I had Heidfeld in 7th but I think we should stick with how they finish the race, not after appeals that can take months. This is only a game.

#16 Orin

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 14:00

Thanks Moanaman, good work and the table is very close! :up:

Originally posted by ray b

BUT VOTE TO USE RACE FINISH RESULTS as on track
not the endless FIA BS post race


I agree with this :up: - ignore the post-race FIA bullshit, the order they finish sounds good enough to me.

#17 LB

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 15:39

No it ignores appeals, whatever the result is at midnight GMT sunday (i.e. the initial official result) sticks, at least thats the way i have always done it with my games. I'll check Canada where loads got DQ'ed and Brazil with the Fisi v Raik debacle for how it used to be done. I'll check tonight when I'm not furtively posting at work.

#18 Sergino

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 16:41

I would take into account each version of the results regarding Heidfeld and Ralf at the same level. So maximum points for both.

#19 race addicted

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 18:10

I think you did the right thing, and I'm not saying that because I won this round. What we try to guesstimate, is the competitiveness of the cars in the race, (and factoring in if we believe someone might brake down of course) not revised results becasue someone ran a car not conforming to the rules, or drove dirty. These are things we have no chance of knowing anything about, so I'd say the correct thing is to use the immediate results; the order in which the cars actually took the chequered flag.

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 21:40

Originally posted by race addicted
I think you did the right thing, and I'm not saying that because I won this round. What we try to guesstimate, is the competitiveness of the cars in the race, (and factoring in if we believe someone might brake down of course) not revised results becasue someone ran a car not conforming to the rules, or drove dirty. These are things we have no chance of knowing anything about, so I'd say the correct thing is to use the immediate results; the order in which the cars actually took the chequered flag.

Agree :up:

Leave it how it is. It's just supposed to be a game ffs!

If you don't like it, ask for a refund.

#21 Moanaman

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 22:16

Refund! NO BLOODY REFUNDS!!!! ;)

Thanks for you opinions :up: This result stands as it is. As I have posted in the GTR Spain thread, all further results will be based upon whatever the result is at midnight GMT following the race.

Cheers

Mark.

#22 jokuvaan

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 18:09

Yes, its acceptable compromise to keep these and next time use official results of midnight.

#23 Barty

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 16:11

I didn't think that I'd still be in the lead after that crappy round, damn that Schumacher and damn the McLaren reliability!