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#51 David McKinney

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 20:42

Born 1910, died 1985
The latest issue of the VSCC Bulletin (available only to members) tells her story in some detail

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#52 Gav Astill

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 23:24

Thank you David, I'll borrow a copy

#53 GeorgeTheCar

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 23:58

Kay Petre has been inducted into the Canadian Motorsport Hall of Fame.

Our archives have little on her career.

Any assistance to gather materials would be greatly appreciated

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#54 LotusElise

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 14:54

I've written an article about Kay for my site - I'll post it to you later in case it has anything helpful.

Ivy Cummings has the honour of being the youngest person to lap Brooklands. She was 11 when she joy-rode her father's car around the circuit in 1913, between races. It is reported that she was only caught when the car's tyre burst and young Ivy hurt her hand trying to change it.

#55 Graham Gauld

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 16:43

I know this lady wasmentioned before but had difficulty in placing photos and this one I wanted to use to show the Merendaz car which was mentioned elsewhere. No need to add the lady had a famous son called Stirling Moss
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Posted 22 March 2010 - 13:19

Looking for any info/results etc,. on Miss M Patten who drove a British Salmson in 1936 in Torquay rally,Lewes speed trials, Blackpool rally, Brooklands high speed trials, grosser Bergpreis, Brightn Sp trials, Donnington park races, 1937 Monte Carlo Rally



#57 Vitesse2

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 13:50

Looking for any info/results etc,. on Miss M Patten who drove a British Salmson in 1936 in Torquay rally,Lewes speed trials, Blackpool rally, Brooklands high speed trials, grosser Bergpreis, Brightn Sp trials, Donnington park races, 1937 Monte Carlo Rally

Miss D (Dorothy) Patten, surely? Later married and became Countess Dorndorff. :)

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 10:02

Jackie,

Great subject and one that has captivated me for years; if you want a copy of the aforementioned 'Atalanta' I have one I can let you have for £25. Sorry for the sales picth guys, I'm just about to put it on ebay but will give it a whirl here first!

#59 ivomat

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 09:10

Yesterday I decided to do a bit of internet research about women who were racing in the thirties. I found some great information (a lot of which was supplied by members here!)

I'd love to have more information, though. The drivers I found information about - but would like more - are:

Kay Petre
Violet Cordery
Gwenda Stewart
Eileen Ellison
Fay Taylour
Elsie Wisdom
Dorothy Champney
Dorothy Stanley Turner

It seems that several started their careers as motorbike racers. Was that the normal route in those days?



Hello I found this forum and I'm searching for more information about Mrs. Scudamore. She was a woman racing driver of the terties. I'm the owner of one of her cars she has raced with, namely a Singer Le Mans 1934 with license plate BKO736. All information is welcome!

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#60 ivomat

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 08:42

Hello everybody,

Is there someone having some information about the women racing driver of the terties : Mrs Scudamore
Thanks


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:22

Fascinating story here on Gwenda Stewart (Hawkes)....

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[F.I.A.T. anoraks should note mention of Eldridge]

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 13:32

A nice period piece, do you know what newspaper it comes from?

Another report I have of her 1934 Montlhery accident says she didn't get off with just "a cut over one eye and of course a few bruises". She also suffered a torn shoulder muscle , a broken rib and a broken collar bone. But a lucky escape nevertheless.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:54

The Herald....or Sydney Morning Herald as it became known....

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#64 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:30

...in 1841, just a year after becoming a daily newspaper...

In fact, immediately after being purchased by Fairfax.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 09:41

Miss Irene C. Schwedler took part in some Handicap races at Brooklands in the 30's.

I found those results

1931, October 17, BARC Meeting,
Women Handicap, 6.5 miles, 8 starters
1- Miss Fair Taylour, Talbot AV105 2970 cc
2- Mrs T. H. Wisdom, Invicta 4497 cc
3- Miss Irene C. Schwedler, Alvis 1645 cc


1932, June 18, BARC Inter-Club Meeting
Sport Long Handicap, 9 miles
1- Miss G. Hedges, Talbot 2276 cc
2- A. D. Taylor, Riley 1089 cc
3- Miss Irene C. Schwedler, Alvis 1645 cc

Stanley Cup (best Club of the day, on points)
1- Junior Car Club (H. J. Aldington/ Major A. T. G. Gardner/ P. F. Parker, 18 points
2- Women's Automobile and Sports Association (Miss G. Hedges/ Miss Schwedler/ Miss M. Allan, 17 points
3- Brighton & Hove Motor Club (holders), 15 points
4- Motor Cycling Club, 12 points
5ex- Cambridge University AC, 3 points
5ex- Light Car Club, 3 points


1933, July 8, BARC Inter-Club Meeting
Lightning Short Handicap, 6.5 miles
1- Miss I. C. Schwedler, Alvis 2511 cc
2- E. L. Bouts, Leyland-Thomas 7266 cc
3- Miss G. Hedges, Talbot 2276 cc

Stanley Cup
1- Frazer Nash CC, 48 points
2- Brighton and Hove MC, 25 points
3- Women's A and SA, 23 points
4- Mid-Surrey AC, 13 points
5- Junior CC, 6 points


1934, May 21, BARC Whit-Monday Meeting
Merrow Junior Short Handicap, 6.5 miles
1- D. A. Aldington, Frazer Nash 1496 cc
2- F. Allen, MG 747 cc
3- W. E. Humphreys, Alvis 1496 cc

P- Miss I. C. Schwedler, Alvis


1938, August 1, BARC Bank Holiday Meeting
The Talbot car race
1- C. A. Woodling, Talbot "10" Saloon
2- H. O. Radbbourne, Talbot "10" Saloon
3- Miss Fay Taylour, Talbot "10" Saloon

E-W. M. Couper, Talbot "10" Saloon
E- C. G. H. Dunham, Talbot "10" Saloon
E- I. C. Schwedler, Talbot "10" Saloon

Marc,   it seems that you have quite some information about "racing woman of the terties",  I'm searching for information or foto's about Mrs. Scudamore,  as I'm owning one of her Singers BKO736.   All information is welcome!



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 16:44

Thanks to the British Pathe archive (now on YouTube), some clips of the women drivers of the Thirties are preserved on film (some with sound).

 

1st to 5th March 1932: "Paddie" Naismith interviewed at the 1932 RAC Rally (in Torquay): http://www.youtube.c...h?v=FDA-tf0cZ0M

 

10th September 1932: "Paddie" Naismith wins the "Ladies Hadicap" at Brooklands: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Dqb5yskGwSw

 

1934 Monte Carlo Rally: Greta Molander (2nd Coupe des Dames) and Marguerite Mareuse & Mlle Gonnot (3rd Coupe des Dames): http://www.youtube.c...h?v=iljpLhIKWUE

 

"Speed Duels (1935)": Kay Petre & Gwenda Stewart at Brooklands: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=s9BVMCN9J44


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 15:11

see the getty images

 

http://www.gettyimages.be/detail/nieuwsfoto's/mrs-scudamore-a-well-known-trials-driver-extols-the-nieuwsfotos/3090838?Language=nl



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 20:06

Another British Pathe clip on YouTube -

Elsie "Bill" Wisdom is interviewed on her return from winning the 1934 Alpine Trial in her Talbot 105 (BGH21): http://www.youtube.c...h?v=HgIt25dzc8w



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 22:50

Thanks to the information on the Austin Harris website that she was Mrs Aubrey Scudamore, I've just spent a frustrating couple of hours searching Ancestry. Initially, I thought I'd found her in the shape of the former Ethel Amelia Unwin, born 1895: she had married Harold Aubrey Scudamore on September 1st 1918 in Camberwell. However she seemed to have come from a humble background for someone involved in motor sport at that time: on the 1911 census she was working in a millinery workshop and her profession at the time of her marriage was 'machinist' and her father a 'hide hauler'.

 

Her husband seemed to have been somewhat more middle class: his father, who had died by the time of the 1911 census, had been a greengrocer with his own business - the 1891 census shows he was prosperous enough to have employed a housekeeper.

 

However, it all started to fall apart when I found their address - a small council flat in Bermondsey. Added to which Ethel Amelia Scudamore is recorded as having died in Lewisham in the third quarter of 1932, aged 37. Her husband died in Brighton in 1951.

 

So, she's obviously not the Mrs Scudamore in the Getty picture. Doesn't fit with a 1934 Singer either ...

 

I can't trace another Aubrey Scudamore. Nor (apparently) even a Mrs Audrey Scudamore. However there is a 1987 death record in Hereford for a Florence Audrey Scudamore, born 1902 - although from what little I can find she may have been a spinster, originally from Birmingham.

 

But Ancestry only has England and Wales records. Maybe she was a Scot? Or Irish? Maybe someone who has Cowbourne's 'British Trials Drivers' can tell us more?



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 23:48

I checked for Scudamores on "Scotlands People" .  There are postwar deaths for Adele in 1982, Jesse in 1974, and Lucy in 1957.  When looking in Scotland remember that women keep their maiden names for anything legal.  I have these ladies maiden names as Masikunas, Milne,  and Squires.  One would have to get their death certificates for more information, unless they show up in the Parish Records, but these don`t seem to be On-line for after 1854. 



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Posted 22 August 2014 - 06:43

If it's any help, she is listed in many rally results of the period (& Brooklands) as "Mrs C.G.Scudamore"


Edited by Roy C, 22 August 2014 - 06:49.


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Posted 22 August 2014 - 08:17

Aha! Found her! It is indeed the Florence Audrey Scudamore who died in Hereford! She was the wife of Charles Gilbert Scudamore, born June 7th 1899: he was the son of a doctor from Croydon and died in Hereford 1982. Profession probably engineer (which covers a multitude of sins!) They married in Midhurst in Sussex in 1926 and she was born Florence Audrey Greenwell in Winster, Derbyshire. On the 1911 census the family is listed as living at Dyke House, Felpham, Westhampnett: her father was 'of private means'.

 

Her husband had served in both the Army (Royal Engineers) and RAF at the tail end of the Great War and seems to have left the services at about the time they married. Phone book and travel records show them living at various addresses in Kent and Surrey during the 1930s and 1940s. It seems he re-enlisted in WW2. In the 1942 phone book he becomes 'Major Scudamore' and travel records suggest that by 1943 he was attached to the Ministry of Supply, working in Washington DC for at least a couple of years.

 

Can't find any further trace until 1970, when Colonel CG Scudamore is listed in the phone book as living at Canon Pyon House, Canon Pyon, near Hereford. That entry persists until his death.



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 09:10

Hey guys,

 

I'm really pleased of your research!   Thanks, thanks and thanks a lot for your effort.   :clap:  :clap:  :clap: 

This gives me  new energy  to dig further. 

 

 

I believe in one of the "pathe" films she's on,  see on you tube :"colmore trophy (1934)"  

 

I'm also busy to get  some pictures of "Autocar" of the terties.  It's a pitty that they ask quite some money for a picture.

 

Below you can read an article from 1984 from the Singer owners club:

 

An afternoon with Audrey Scudamore

“Well I started racing with Triumph Super Sevens in 1930 at Brooklands and elsewhere and thoroughly enjoyed myself – but at the end of 1932 I called in at Singer’s Works and whilst I was talking to Bullock, the Works manager, I saw a car hidden under a sheet in the corner.  What’s that I asked – ah, that’s the new Singer Sports Car, was the reply.  Well let’s see it then – if I like it l’ll buy it!  No that’s not the red colour red – if you respray it and alter another one of the two little nonsence I’ll take delivery as soon as it is finished.”  Well Mr  Bullock did just that and that is how Audrey Scudamore came to have the first 4 seater 9 HP sports Singer made.

This was the start of a long association with Singer ‘9’ and 9 Le Mans for Mrs Scudamore and an all too short an afternoon’s chat for me.  Mrs Scudamore competed through the terties in at least six Singer ‘9’’s.  In every sort of event imaginable.  Hill climbs,trials,rallies, you name it – Audrey Scudamore had a go at it with the full support of the works and Mr Bullock.

The Singer works’ help and tuning was most effective, and the cars, Mrs Scudamore owned went very well and as she says the cars were very popular secondhand because they went so fast; and they were so cheap she just had to keep buying a new one!  Unfortunately Mrs Scudamore’s memory is now a little hazy and her scrapbook has gone missing – last seen twenty one years ago in Ireland where her late husband was breeding horses whilst Mrs Scudamore bred sheep – motoring sport took a less important part of their life for a while.  Still Mrs Scudamore’s house is a large one and there must be plenty of places for it to hidden so perhaps it will turn up yet.

We do know that she owned and competed in a 4 seater KJ9057, 9 Le Mans AKO352, BKO736 and a Le Mans Coupé CKL888 and at least two other until 1937 when she remembers having a go in an MG.  The advertising agents Dorlands had quite a favourite in  Mrs Scudamore she recalls posing with her 9 4 seater in St. James’Square for publicity photos for a British Aluminium advertising campaign and remembers with amusement the mileage Dorlands got ou of her miniscale weight of 7 stone being too little for the Hastings Rally, which specified a minimum weight for driver and passenger, so that she had to ballast herself with Jockey’s weights before she was allowed to start!

For  the summer of 1935 Mr Bullock lent Mrs Scudamore the Singer Speedboat “ Miss Tabasco” which was hot stuff as the name implied and she enjoyed herself hugely down at Fareham on the South Coast.  Quite a lad!

Still very active, and shy about her age, Mrs Scudamore sill has fortright opinions about motor cars and drives an Alfa Romeo Cloverleaf with considerable enthusiasm.   If only we could find that scrapbook.

 

 

Out of this article we can suspect that she was still alive in 1984.

 

 

I have some information of her trials, hill climbs and rally's,  but it's not complete because after 1934 I don't find any information. 

 

 

Year event                                              Car                                    date          startno. Result                  car registration                  Source                            Comment
 
1932 SUNBAC Colmore Trial                   Triumph                                                25                                                                              D. Cowbourne                 750 to 1100cc
1932 MCC London Gloucester Trial        Singer 4 seater Le Mans                   69        Bronze award             KJ9057                         D. Cowbourne
1933 Rac rally                                         Singer Le Mans                                 131       91 of 106                                                       D. Cowbourne                 972 Singer
1933 SUNBAC Colmore Trial                   Singer 4 seater Le Mans                   22        2nd  Class Award       KJ9057                         D. Cowbourne                 up to 1500cc open Singer
1933 Lawrence cup Trial                         Singer                               June                     Silver medal
1933 Shelsey Walsh Hill climb                 Singer                                27 May
1934 SUNBAC Colmore Trial                   Singer Le Mans                                156        3rd Class Award                                         D. Cowbourne
1934 WASA  ChilternTrial                        Singer                                March                  1st Class Award                                                           WASA = Womens Amateur Sporting Assn
1935 Unknown, she participated  in several events
1936 Unknown, she participated  in several events
1937 Unknown, she participated  in several events
 

 

Believe me it's very difficult to find  the information you found in Belgium,  even with the internet.

I hope that you guys can provide me again with information and foto's (?) very much appreciated! :clap:  


Edited by ivomat, 30 August 2014 - 18:45.


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 09:48

from England & Wales births 1837-2006:

FLORENCE AUDREY  GREENWELL

Birth 3rd Quarter 1902

District BAKEWELL

 

from England & Wales deaths 1837-2007:

FLORENCE AUDREY SCUDAMORE

Birth Year 1902

Died 1st Quarter 1987

District HEREFORD

 

from the London Gazette, 15th June 1984:

Charles Gilbert Scudamore (College of Royal Engineers - Retired) died 26th March 1984

Canon Pyon House, Canon Pyon, Hereford


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 17:17

As she died in 1987 at the age of 85,  is it possible to find out if she had children or grandchildern or other relatives? 



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 17:54

As she died in 1987 at the age of 85,  is it possible to find out if she had children or grandchildern or other relatives? 

It appears they were childless. I can find no English or Welsh record of a Scudamore birth with mother's maiden name of Greenwell.

 

That doesn't rule children out completely, but the chances of a foreign, Scottish or Northern Irish birth look pretty remote. Adoption is another possibility of course, but the only chances of finding that would be a laborious manual search of old electoral rolls or of the records of identity cards created in 1939. ID card records are apparently going online some time in the next three years, but at present a name search costs (IIRC) £40, with no guarantee of success.



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 18:37

According to the 1911 census, she had twin younger sisters, called Doreen and Madeline and born on March 23rd 1905.

 

Doreen married one Michael W S Bruce in 1925. It appears he was Rhodesian, but this marriage seems not to have lasted long, since she was married again in 1928. This time to a Douglas D Stewart. It is possible they moved to Kenya: if that is the case then it appears she was either dead or divorced by 1950.

 

Madeline died in Cheltenham in 1977. It appears she never married.



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 18:47

Thanks again Vitesse2 :clap:



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 20:50

This is very interesting stuff. I had only come across Florence as an entrant in the RAC Rally in 1933.

 

"Stewart" and "Bruce" are both contemporary motorsporting names - could Florence have been an in-law relation to Victor and Mary Bruce, as Kay Petre was, or Gwenda Stewart's second husband?



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 21:32

This is very interesting stuff. I had only come across Florence as an entrant in the RAC Rally in 1933.

 

"Stewart" and "Bruce" are both contemporary motorsporting names - could Florence have been an in-law relation to Victor and Mary Bruce, as Kay Petre was, or Gwenda Stewart's second husband?

No, I think it's pure coincidence. I can't find any trace of Mr Bruce before he arrives from Rhodesia in 1915. Or after his marriage. There may be one or two DD Stewarts: the one who travelled to Kenya in 1950 probably lived in North Wales, whereas Ancestry seems to think that the one who married Doreen was born in Worthing and was a naval cadet in 1911. Worthing, of course, is not far from Westhampnett. But I couldn't find any definite proof they were one and the same person.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 16:36

Hey,  Is there a possibility to find back the license plates history as when I bought the car (BKO736) i only got a V5 sheet on which i could find that the car has had from 1985  2 owners.

But I know that the "old" registration cards hold more information.   Where are those registration cards stored  as i believe that they (governement/ registration administration?!?)  have not thrown away those papers. 

Via this way i hope to find the history of the car and of the  first owner Mrs. Scudamore.



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 17:52

Sadly, it is highly likely the original documents no longer exist. The database is computerised. The DVLA may have a scan. I have no idea who to ask about this.

Are any motor clubs the car was associated with, still going? 



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Posted 04 September 2014 - 18:31

Hey,  Is there a possibility to find back the license plates history as when I bought the car (BKO736) i only got a V5 sheet on which i could find that the car has had from 1985  2 owners.

But I know that the "old" registration cards hold more information.   Where are those registration cards stored  as i believe that they (governement/ registration administration?!?)  have not thrown away those papers. 

Via this way i hope to find the history of the car and of the  first owner Mrs. Scudamore.

Well, BKO736 was issued some time in 1935. It's a Kent registration, which fits with the address details I found and also presumably indicates that the car still has its original number. This may help a little:

 

http://www.oldclassi....uk/history.htm

 

I'm no expert on this, but I think the procedure is to apply to DVLA using a form V888. See section 2 in this booklet:

 

https://www.gov.uk/g...7533/MIS546.pdf

 

Form V888:

 

https://www.gov.uk/g...V888_080814.pdf

 

However, as the car presumably isn't currently registered for UK road use or covered by a SORN (Statutory Off Road Notice) I suspect that will complicate things more than a little.



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 12:05

I have checked  in "Directgov" for  the existence of the 4 cars with lisence plates :

 

KJ9057   --->    no trace found in the Directgov                   (I have a picture of that car with Mrs. Scudamore in that trial) I don't believe the car still exists, but you never know.

AK0352  ---->   date of first registration:  06/11/1933,  year of manufacture: 1933        ( I know the english owner of this car)

BKO736 ---->   date of first registration:  06/11/1984,  year of manufacture: 1934        1984:  I believe  this is the date  when the V5 is created,  as from then on the car had 2 owners, I'm the 3rd.   So i "believe" that more information should be available in the "old paper log book"  ?????   

CKL888 ---->   no trace found in the Directgov,       I don't believe the car still exists,   but you never know   :confused:

 

You see i try to go via all ways i know,  and many thanks again to everybody replying in the forum.  :clap:


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