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[renzo_zorzi]

i was lucky my dad subscribed to motorsport mags at the age of 20 so i am able to browse a lot of gp-history and recentlyi came across the gp monaco 1969 . the entry list had vic elford driving a cooper-maserati!!

if that mag was correct it means the last gp drive of a cooper had a maserati-engine, not the 1968 brm v12?? was this a colin crabb car too?

pls could anybody help me on this, much appreciated!

[D-Type]

Yes, Doug Nye's Cooper Cars confirms it Monaco 1969 with vic Elford driving the Cooper-Maserati T86 FI/2/67 entered by Colin Crabbe's Antique Automobiles Ltd was the last cooper to compete in a Championship Grand Prix.

[ricardo1954]

Vic Elford finished the Monaco GP in the 7th place.
In March/30 he finished 12th in the International Trophy-Silverstone, with the same car.

Ricardo Cunha

[Vicuna]

A day of lasts - sadly.

Last GP for a Cooper

Last time Maserati appeared in F1

Last race for a maroon and white car?

[Stephen W]

Originally posted by Vicuna
A day of lasts - sadly.

Last GP for a Cooper

Last time Maserati appeared in F1

Last race for a maroon and white car?

How was the last appearance of a maroon and white car sad?

Cooper and Maserati I can understand!

Anyway what colour was the McLaren M7A that Colin Crabbe ran for Quick Vic?

I seem to remember that was Maroon and White!

[Keir]

Maroon really isn't a color, but a mistake !!

[Stephen W]

Originally posted by Keir
Maroon really isn't a color, but a mistake !!

Really! I always thought they let off maroons!

[Tweddell]

yes, but it was white and maroon. and had it´s last race at nurburgring in 1969, when it was scrapped by andretti´s lotus"quattro".

[Vicuna]

Originally posted by Stephen W


How was the last appearance of a maroon and white car sad?

Cooper and Maserati I can understand!

Anyway what colour was the McLaren M7A that Colin Crabbe ran for Quick Vic?

I seem to remember that was Maroon and White!

Are you being serious??

Or is the humour just too subtle for me :

I recall the Crabbe M7 started out white but might have become yellow and brown.

Or perhaps only the Antique 701 was the fetching combo of yellow und brown

[Vicuna]

Originally posted by Keir
Maroon really isn't a color, but a mistake !!

Don't tell Jackie Oliver KD

[ensign14]

Originally posted by Vicuna
Last race for a maroon and white car?

Do we count John Watson's Hexagon of Highgate Brabhams as maroon?

[MCS]

Originally posted by ensign14
Do we count John Watson's Hexagon of Highgate Brabhams as maroon?

Nope - it was a chocolatey, browny colour, with a hint of metallic as I recall...

Mark

[renzo_zorzi]

from the depths of my HD:



vic elford, crabb-mclaren 1969

[Stephen W]

Originally posted by Vicuna


Are you being serious??

Or is the humour just too subtle for me :

I recall the Crabbe M7 started out white but might have become yellow and brown.

Or perhaps only the Antique 701 was the fetching combo of yellow und brown

Probably!;)

[Barry Boor]

Or perhaps only the Antique 701 was the fetching combo of yellow und brown

NO! Definitely yellow and maroon.

[Wolf]

Barry, You confuse me- You say car was definitely maroon, but post a pic of purple and yellow to back it up...

[Vicuna]

Purple schlurple

Certainly not brown

[Barry Boor]

Wolf, adjust your browser colours; it's certainly maroon on my computer!!!

[David Lawson]

That reminds me, was the Indy Cooper blue or green?

David

[D-Type]

On both my home adn work monitors the McLaren is maroon and white while the March is purple and yellow. No doubts at all in my mind. this time!

[Wolf]

Originally posted by D-Type
On both my home adn work monitors the McLaren is maroon and white while the March is purple and yellow. No doubts at all in my mind. this time!

And You write that, after I have fiddled with monitor settings like a maniac because that colour was purple in every program I tried?!? Actually that shade of purple is the exact hue of my favourite wine (aleit quite lighter)-we call it 'isabel(l)a' (the only alchoholic drink containing methanole instead of ethanole*).

* I guess everyone knows what that means, but it tastes so great (as the thick-skinned grapes it's made of) that nobody cares

[renzo_zorzi]

peterson @ monaco 1970 ;)

[Barry Boor]

There! Exactly the same maroon as my photo.....

[Wolf]

Barry, for God's sake!!! This is brownish maroon, I'll give You that, but... And no jokes about driking methanole and blindness- colour in Your photo is purple, honest.

Edit: I just went to Photoshop and while Your photo shows RGB(160,93,134), Renzo's shows RGB(160,109,105)... I just used same red as reference, but this shows definite difference between those hues.

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by Barry Boor

There! Exactly the same maroon as my photo.....

And it's maroon for me too!

[Barry Boor]

Thank you, Twinny.

Wolf- - THIS is purple....

[Wolf]

Nice try Barry- You almost had me thinking I'm going crazy.;) A bit of HSB correction (I'd say 40° on hue) and it indeed is maroon... (purple to red, orange to yellow= 45°)

[D-Type]

If I saw renzo_zorzi's picture on its own and it was captioned as brown I wouldn't argue. So this is clearly another case of the deficiencies of colour film over time and of scanners.

The only way to put this to bed would be a contemporary programme that gave colours or a report by a woman journalist who was genuinely there

[Twin Window]

Am I losing it, or did one of our membership not contact Colin Crabbe a wee while ago regarding some other matter? One would hope that his memory of the hue could prove definitive proof here...

And my ten bob still says "it was never purple"!

[Wolf]

Originally posted by Twin Window

And my ten bob still says "it was never purple"!

Heheh, it was in Barry's picture until he fixed colours (that's what D-Type and me were saying).

[Twin Window]

Wolf; I was really meaning 'back in the day'...

So, does anyone else recall Colin Crabbe being contacted recently?!

[Mac Lark]

There was an article in Motor Sport a few years ago about CC and AA

[Barry Boor]

'Fixed it!' A foul and contemptible slur, Sir....

Actually, I just re-scanned my original photo, which has always been kept in the dark, so has not faded too much.

[ian senior]

Look, even for one officially classed as having red/green colour blindness (according to those silly cards with dots that they give you to look at during the school eyesight tests) it is MAROON.

Can anyone confirm the official line on this by reference to a programme or entry list?

Anyway, I repeat, it is MAROON.

[Tim Murray]

Originally posted by Twin Window
Am I losing it, or did one of our membership not contact Colin Crabbe a wee while ago regarding some other matter? One would hope that his memory of the hue could prove definitive proof here...

Originally posted by rdrcr in the 'Most evocative lot on eBay?' thread
TNF'ers...

I have corresponded with Colin and he will be entering the TNF Forum shortly. He is in the midst of some personal matters currently, but he looks forward to logging in!

Here's hoping he joins us soon.

[D-Type]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
'Fixed it!' A foul and contemptible slur, Sir....

Actually, I just re-scanned my original photo, which has always been kept in the dark, so has not faded too much.

Barry, your picture now looks maroon.

But . . . . look at the driver's overalls? They look as if a pair of maroon or purple socks were left in the machine last time they were washed.

More photoshopping required?