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#1 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 11 July 2005 - 09:28

On Feb 14th 1960 the Buenos Aires GP was held at Cordoba. It was a Formula Libre race and I think there were mainly the same starters as at the Argentine GP. But the information I can find a rather few. Is there a starters list or some grid positions ?
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#2 KJJ

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Posted 12 July 2005 - 18:26

There are details of the race at the Non-Championship section of this site.

Somewhere there are more details of grid positions etc but my internet connection is so slow at the moment I can't track them down.

#3 KJJ

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 11:57

OK, there is a lot of information including practice times for this race, where else but here on TNF! On the thread entitled "Buenos Aires GP"

#4 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 15:18

Originally posted by KJJ
OK, there is a lot of information including practice times for this race, where else but here on TNF! On the thread entitled "Buenos Aires GP"


KJJ thanks

#5 Barry Boor

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 07:15

Preparing for a 1960 season of slot racing, I came across this race in the list on non-Championship events. When I investigated the circuit I found two listed for Cordoba in the 1960s, one used for F.3 races around '64 and another for same in '67. But no mention of either being the home of this 1960 race.

Does anyone have any information about the 1960 circuit?

#6 Tim Murray

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:38

You’ve probably been down this path already, Barry, but just in case: according to Guido de Carli's site the circuit at the Escuela Aviación Militar in Córdoba was used only in 1967. He has a circuit map for the 1964 races held in the Parque Sarmiento, Córdoba, length 3.12 km, and says that between 1958 and 1963 another circuit in Parque Sarmiento was used.

In the Buenos Aires GP thread the length of the 1960 circuit is given as either 3.2 or 3.4 km. There is also a description of the circuit, taken from DCN’s Cooper Cars, which mentions a statue on the track which cars had the option of passing on either side (!). Checking the Google Earth view of Parque Sarmiento on Guido’s site, a large statue can be seen at the extreme right of the circuit. Perhaps the earlier circuit was a slightly longer version of the 1964 track?

Edited by Tim Murray, 09 November 2012 - 08:39.


#7 Barry Boor

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:45

I hope so, Tim, because that looks like a fun circuit to drive on.

I hope that one of our very few Argentine members might shed some more light.

#8 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 18:52

I hope so, Tim, because that looks like a fun circuit to drive on.

I hope that one of our very few Argentine members might shed some more light.


Definitely, the 1960 Cordoba Grand Prix was held at the Parque Sarmiento circuit. The 1967 airfield track was a one-off.
The circuit in the GP layout is that one available at Guido's site. It had 3.220 meters of extension. Average speed 122,531 km/h



#9 Barry Boor

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 19:05

Excellent, Pablo, thank you very much.

However, as Tim has already mentioned, the Parque Sarmiento circuit, as shown on a couple of different websites, is about 165 meters short of the 3,220 that Pablo quotes. I can see only one possibility that might increase the length but even that comes up 50 meters short.

Edited by Barry Boor, 10 November 2012 - 19:38.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 19:35

Surely this was the
XVI Gran Premio Ciudad de Buenos Aires (El Grafico)

Otherwise a tricky one ...
El Grafico does not a give a circuit distance at all ...
El Litoral (daily newspaper form Santa Fe) too ...
The Autocar 2.2 miles ... and
Road & Track ca. 1.9 miles!

The race distance of 75 laps seems to be undisputed.
El Grafico gives a time for the winner of 1h 53m 50.9s and a speed of 122.533 km/h ...
El Litoral with the same time but 122.531 km/h ...
The Autocar again the same time with a speed of 76.14 mph ... and
Road & Track has the same time with a speed of 76.420 mph

Fastest lap for Bruce McLaren.
El Grafico gives a time 1m 27.2s and a speed of 127.971 km/h (20th lap) ...
El Litoral with the same time but 127.081 km/h ...
The Autocar again the same time with a speed of 79.50 mph ... and
Road & Track has the same time with a speed of 79.521 mph


#11 Barry Boor

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 19:43

Well, my line for the circuit on Google Earth comes out at 1.9 miles, which at least matches one of the above figures. :)

Edited by Barry Boor, 10 November 2012 - 19:43.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 19:46

Surely this was the
XVI Gran Premio Ciudad de Buenos Aires (El Grafico)

Otherwise a tricky one ...
El Grafico does not a give a circuit distance at all ...
El Litoral (daily newspaper form Santa Fe) too ...
The Autocar 2.2 miles ... and
Road & Track ca. 1.9 miles!


In 2007 I wrote a special issue of El Grafico on motor racing in Cordoba, and made a 4-page piece on that race. I was quoting myself on that circuit distance, and I guess my source back then were the preview of the race in a back issue of the magazine.
But, seeing it carefully, I made the calculation from the average speed of the race and of the fastest lap, and the result is 3.1 kilometres exactly.
Now, this is an interesting recalling of the race here: http://www.huellasde.../La_F1_en_2.pdf
It puts the distance (see page 3) in 3.1 kilometres.

Pablo

Edited by Pablo Vignone, 10 November 2012 - 19:59.


#13 Barry Boor

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 20:16

Although I don't read spanish, thank you for linking us to that article Pablo.

I'm fascinated to see that Brabham appears to be driving the Cooper that McLaren used to win at Sebring two months earlier.

#14 David McKinney

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 22:49

Have you only just noticed that? :smoking:

#15 Barry Boor

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:04

Seeing that it was the first photos I've ever seen of that event, I feel quite justified in saying "Yes".

#16 David McKinney

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:43

There was a similar photo - perhaps the same one - in Autosport at the time

#17 Jean L

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:09

A photo of the start here:
http://www.f1-photo....Year:1960/p6x20

#18 Barry Boor

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 16:17

About three months before I started to get Autosport every week.